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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 13:35:43 GMT -8
yea...
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 20, 2012 13:36:03 GMT -8
It is not this thread, it's the repeated threads that always end up at the SAME point. Blah blah blah Jamaal is a lottery pick, the best thing since sliced bread, a future NBA All Star. Now it's devolved into Winston isn't a good player, etc etc etc. Winston, when he steps on to the court, is one of the two or three best players on our roster. Period.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:36:40 GMT -8
I don't have access but compare Matt's all around game to Winston's all around game. It isn't even close. However, Matt is from an unkown school in San Diego. The 6'9 wing from the nationally ranked prep school will always get the benefit of the doubt. Matt Shrigley is a bigger, more athletic James Rahon. He'll be the better player for us. Your saying Shrigley's all around game is better than Winston's?? Wow. LOL 100% ofcourse it's better than Winston. If they played 5 games 1 on 1, I think Shrigley would win 4 times.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 13:39:02 GMT -8
Your saying Shrigley's all around game is better than Winston's?? Wow. LOL 100% ofcourse it's better than Winston. If they played 5 games 1 on 1, I think Shrigley would win 4 times. All around game is CLEARLY decided by playing 1 on 1.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:40:43 GMT -8
It is not this thread, it's the repeated threads that always end up at the SAME point. Blah blah blah Jamaal is a lottery pick, the best thing since sliced bread, a future NBA All Star. Now it's devolved into Winston isn't a good player, etc etc etc. Winston, when he steps on to the court, is one of the two or three best players on our roster. Period. That's simply not true. He's not in our Top 7 as far as overall talent.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:42:24 GMT -8
100% ofcourse it's better than Winston. If they played 5 games 1 on 1, I think Shrigley would win 4 times. All around game is CLEARLY decided by playing 1 on 1. No it isn't but if you add the team component, Shrigley is head and shoulders above Shepard. Unless Winston's length in NEEDED for a specific reason, Shrigley is the better option every time.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 13:43:07 GMT -8
Your saying Shrigley's all around game is better than Winston's?? Wow. LOL 100% ofcourse it's better than Winston. If they played 5 games 1 on 1, I think Shrigley would win 4 times. My bet is Shrigley beats anyone on the team in Horse. Not one-on-one.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 13:43:57 GMT -8
That's what I'm getting at. I hope you're right as far as Stephans improving. However, there's a huge gap between playing good individual D and team D. Double teams, switching, getting past screens, and positioning away from the ball are things he didn't face much this off-season. I'm anxious to see if he can do it vs. team defenses. Especially teams like UNLV who do it well. He was basically a catch and dunk guy and a big man who ran the floor way better than the other teams big. Jamaal and Stephens seemed to develop some chemistry as they hooked up and many alley oop plays. Jamaal dumped it off to Stephens a number of times for thunderous dunks after drawing double teams. I can see that chemistry transferring over to the SDSU games this season. None of this tells me if he's improved in the post with the ball while being defended.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:47:48 GMT -8
He was basically a catch and dunk guy and a big man who ran the floor way better than the other teams big. Jamaal and Stephens seemed to develop some chemistry as they hooked up and many alley oop plays. Jamaal dumped it off to Stephens a number of times for thunderous dunks after drawing double teams. I can see that chemistry transferring over to the SDSU games this season. None of this tells me if he's improved in the post with the ball while being defended. I doubt he'll go an entire off season and not improve in that area.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:48:45 GMT -8
100% ofcourse it's better than Winston. If they played 5 games 1 on 1, I think Shrigley would win 4 times. My bet is Shrigley beats anyone on the team in Horse. Not one-on-one. Shrigley isn't just a "shooter", he's a legit baller.
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Post by dirtball on Aug 20, 2012 13:49:40 GMT -8
Your saying Shrigley's all around game is better than Winston's?? Wow. LOL 100% ofcourse it's better than Winston. If they played 5 games 1 on 1, I think Shrigley would win 4 times. Youre crazy. Now 1 on 1 means all around game??? Regardless I would take Winston on nthat as well. This sucks, I want to make an arguement, but dont want to critize Shrigleys game to do so, as I like his game a lot. Winston is a high level individual, and team defender (doesnt show up on the 1 on 1 game ). Winston is a very good passer (doesnt show up on the 1 on 1 game). Winston is a good ball handler, Winston is a good rebounder. Winston has the "it", tough competitior, confident, rtises against the best. Everything above is at a higher grade than Shrigley.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 13:51:44 GMT -8
Running the floor and catching ally-oops means you are one of the best all-around players on the team. Stephens and Polee are all-around great basketball players who do everything well. Stephens and Polee are equal/better defenders than Winston Shepard. Polee has a more polished offensive game than Winston Shepard. This is grass roots analysis.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 13:55:26 GMT -8
100% ofcourse it's better than Winston. If they played 5 games 1 on 1, I think Shrigley would win 4 times. Youre crazy. Now 1 on 1 means all around game??? Regardless I would take Winston on nthat as well. This sucks, I want to make an arguement, but dont want to critize Shrigleys game to do so, as I like his game a lot. Winston is a high level individual, and team defender (doesnt show up on the 1 on 1 game ). Winston is a very good passer (doesnt show up on the 1 on 1 game). Winston is a good ball handler, Winston is a good rebounder. Winston has the "it", tough competitior, confident, rtises against the best. Everything above is at a higher grade than Shrigley. All this is true about both players. Shrigley is a gifted passer, good ball handler, good rebounder, and a tough competitor. He does everything Shepard can do and a lot of things Shepard can't do.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 13:58:40 GMT -8
My bet is Shrigley beats anyone on the team in Horse. Not one-on-one. Shrigley isn't just a "shooter", he's a legit baller. I was kidding about that. He strikes me a more physically-gifted Rahon. That being said, I still think Shepard is better.
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Post by dirtball on Aug 20, 2012 14:00:09 GMT -8
Shrigley, was actually a poor rebounder, given his size. His ball handling is something he will even tell you needs much improvement. I didnt see the competive spirit that Winston has when he played against Aaron Gordon, as he shrunk, and played intimidated.
But again, I like Shrigley, and he and Winston will be great teamates.
Edit: Shrigley averaged 5 rebounds a game, and 1.8 assists, against average high school comp. yeah, his all around game is better than Winstons lol.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 14:00:43 GMT -8
You all are forgetting that BBA did his grassroots analysis on Winston Well there was grass involved for sure.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 14:04:03 GMT -8
You all are forgetting that BBA did his grassroots analysis on Winston Well there was grass involved for sure. hahahaha Classic +1000
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 14:05:38 GMT -8
You all are forgetting that BBA did his grassroots analysis on Winston Well there was grass involved for sure. Hey! Pass that s# t over here!
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 14:06:39 GMT -8
Shrigley isn't just a "shooter", he's a legit baller. I was kidding about that. He strikes me a more physically-gifted Rahon. That being said, I still think Shepard is better. You think Shepard is better because the scouts think he's better. Shrigley obviously has way more natural ability and he's more athletic than Shepard. Shepard is just taller and more hyped.
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Post by supershadow93 on Aug 20, 2012 14:07:28 GMT -8
They will both be great players for SDSU. Shrigley will enventually be the shooting guard and Shepard will be the small forward. It could have been worse Shepard could have gone to New Mexico and BBA would be clamoring "Shrigley can't get his shot off against Shepard, we should have went all in on Shepard"
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