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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 12:01:28 GMT -8
You know, it is possible for both Jamaal and Winston to succeed together right? How awesome would it be to have Jamaal win conference POY and have Winston win Freshman of the year? They both have some serious competition but man that'd be so great. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:02:45 GMT -8
My real depth chart: Jamaal Chase Xavier Stephens O'brien Polee Rahon Johnson Shrigley Shepard L. Franklin Spencer Damn...I thought the way you've been on Shrigley's nuts I thought you would have put him #2... Shrigley is a very good player. But he's not going to beat out any veteran guards. Shepard is a good player, but he's not going to beat out any veteran forwards. |
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Post by hbaztec on Aug 20, 2012 12:05:12 GMT -8
Stephens is pretty raw, he has only been playing ball for a few years. And form what I have seen his offense is pretty limited. Yet he out ranks all? He is athletic as hell, but shot making is not his strength.
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Post by dirtball on Aug 20, 2012 12:07:49 GMT -8
i can agree with you about his offensive game, it is somewhat raw. However, anyone that can play elite level defense, can rebound, can pass, and has his frame is always going to be a 4 or 5 star. Is he a one and done player? No, however if I was going to create the perfect basketball player, he would be the one I would look to. So much upside.
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Post by therealeman on Aug 20, 2012 12:10:22 GMT -8
I saw Shep play twice in July in the drew league and his jump shot needs a whole lot of work. In the second game he air-balled a 2 and it felt like amateur hour out there. But "coach Greg" never let Shep find his stride and just sat him for most of the game. Shep never showed up to any more drew games after that. It was hilarious because the people in the stands next to me were clowning on "coach Greg" for taking the whole coaching thing way too seriously. He was calling time outs to draw plays up, while the other team called time outs to for a drink of water, and the other team still won. It was too funny.
Things Shep did really well when he did play:
defend and contain his man
pass and facilitate
rebound
bang down low
and dribble-drive to the hoop for easy lay ups.
He missed some easy points, though and looked frustrated and unfocused after that.
None of the "shortcomings" to his game right now are things that can't be improved on. You can praise Findlay all you want, but it's no D1 top 25 program, period. Our coaching staff is going to mold Shep into what he needs to be for our team to win. His shot and focus will improve.
LOOK MOM, I'M A BBALL ANALYST NOW.
;D
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 12:10:27 GMT -8
Also I think Shep's scoring ability is underrated. He's was the 4th option on offense in high school. He wasn't able to gun like guys at smaller schools were. It goes both ways. He has iffy hands, and trouble finishing inside, but he actually has a decent mid range jumper, using his height to his advantage to shoot over smaller defenders. He's also a decent post guy too, though he didn't get a lot of chances to do that. Fantastic guy in transition though, and a really good passer.
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 12:11:51 GMT -8
i can agree with you about his offensive game, it is somewhat raw. However, anyone that can play elite level defense, can rebound, can pass, and has his frame is always going to be a 4 or 5 star. Is he a one and done player? No, however if I was going to create the perfect basketball player, he would be the one I would look to. So much upside. yes yes yes |
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Post by sleeveless on Aug 20, 2012 12:12:04 GMT -8
AND ONE MORE THING, BBA. SCREW YOU FOR KEEPING YOUR COOL AND NOT RETALIATING IN ALL CAPS AND CUSSING. SCREW YOU.
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:32:55 GMT -8
That would be awesome and well within the realm of possibility. Shepards defense could get him consideration, but his offense is just too raw for him to get sufficient playing time. Especially with how good Polee and O'brien are at both ends of the floor. Shepard would have to beat out Stephens, Polee, and O'brien for him to make a huge impact for us. Do you think he's going to beat out those other guys? Offense isn't solely the ability to score. Forget about his inability to score. I don't see him being able to beat College level wing defenders off the dribble. And I don't see Fisher playing him over O'brien and Polee just because he can make a few sweet passes here and there. His perimeter D is solid but it's not so dominant that we can just ignore his lack of offense. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:34:47 GMT -8
Stephens is pretty raw, he has only been playing ball for a few years. And form what I have seen his offense is pretty limited. Yet he out ranks all? He is athletic as hell, but shot making is not his strength. Stephens catches and dunks everything. He knows what he is. He's not trying to play on the perimeter. Plus he's a great rebounder and shot blocker. I got to see him up close this summer. He got WAY better. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 12:35:23 GMT -8
I saw Shep play twice in July in the drew league and his jump shot needs a whole lot of work. In the second game he air-balled a 2 and it felt like amateur hour out there. But "coach Greg" never let Shep find his stride and just sat him for most of the game. Shep never showed up to any more drew games after that. It was hilarious because the people in the stands next to me were clowning on "coach Greg" for taking the whole coaching thing way too seriously. He was calling time outs to draw plays up, while the other team called time outs to for a drink of water, and the other team still won. It was too funny. Things Shep did really well when he did play: defend and contain his man pass and facilitate rebound bang down low and dribble-drive to the hoop for easy lay ups. He missed some easy points, though and looked frustrated and unfocused after that. None of the "shortcomings" to his game right now are things that can't be improved on. You can praise Findlay all you want, but it's no D1 top 25 program, period. Our coaching staff is going to mold Shep into what he needs to be for our team to win. His shot and focus will improve. LOOK MOM, I'M A BBALL ANALYST NOW. ;D Great post I'd like to add, we do not need scoring this year from him. We have scorers. IF he can add that to his game for next season that would be awesome. However, even then he might not be asked to score due to the other more polished offensive options we have. I love the fact we're a program now. Back in the day, he'd have to do everything ASAP. |
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 12:40:00 GMT -8
Offense isn't solely the ability to score. Forget about his inability to score. I don't see him being able to beat College level wing defenders off the dribble. And I don't see Fisher playing him over O'brien and Polee just because he can make a few sweet passes here and there. His perimeter D is solid but it's not so dominant that we can just ignore his lack of offense. I think you are very wrong about his ability to handle the ball but okay. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:42:02 GMT -8
I saw Shep play twice in July in the drew league and his jump shot needs a whole lot of work. In the second game he air-balled a 2 and it felt like amateur hour out there. But "coach Greg" never let Shep find his stride and just sat him for most of the game. Shep never showed up to any more drew games after that. It was hilarious because the people in the stands next to me were clowning on "coach Greg" for taking the whole coaching thing way too seriously. He was calling time outs to draw plays up, while the other team called time outs to for a drink of water, and the other team still won. It was too funny. Things Shep did really well when he did play: defend and contain his man pass and facilitate rebound bang down low and dribble-drive to the hoop for easy lay ups. He missed some easy points, though and looked frustrated and unfocused after that. None of the "shortcomings" to his game right now are things that can't be improved on. You can praise Findlay all you want, but it's no D1 top 25 program, period. Our coaching staff is going to mold Shep into what he needs to be for our team to win. His shot and focus will improve. LOOK MOM, I'M A BBALL ANALYST NOW. ;D Great post I'd like to add, we do not need scoring this year from him. We have scorers. IF he can add that to his game for next season that would be awesome. However, even then he might not be asked to score due to the other more polished offensive options we have. I love the fact we're a program now. Back in the day, he'd have to do everything ASAP. My point exactly. If we don't need scoring from him, is he that great a defender for him to play in front of guys who can score AND defend just as well?? The 2010 team was so special because our Forwards were the most versatile group in the Country. They could all score multiple ways, put the ball on the floor, rebound, and defend. The combination of Polee, O'brien, and Stephens mimics that. Shepard has the frame, but he lacks the overall game. He can and will develop over the next few years, but in terms of 2012-13, he's too raw to make a huge impact. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 12:45:04 GMT -8
Great post I'd like to add, we do not need scoring this year from him. We have scorers. IF he can add that to his game for next season that would be awesome. However, even then he might not be asked to score due to the other more polished offensive options we have. I love the fact we're a program now. Back in the day, he'd have to do everything ASAP. My point exactly. If we don't need scoring from him, is he that great a defender for him to play in front of guys who can score AND defend just as well?? The 2010 team was so special because our Forwards were the most versatile group in the Country. They could all score multiple ways, put the ball on the floor, rebound, and defend. The combination of Polee, O'brien, and Stephens mimics that. Shepard has the frame, but he lacks the overall game. He can and will develop over the next few years, but in terms of 2012-13, he's too raw to make a huge impact. So Stephans is better on offense than Shepard? Him and Green were the two guys I did not want with the ball with the game on the line. |
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Post by danloc09 on Aug 20, 2012 12:45:12 GMT -8
Great post I'd like to add, we do not need scoring this year from him. We have scorers. IF he can add that to his game for next season that would be awesome. However, even then he might not be asked to score due to the other more polished offensive options we have. I love the fact we're a program now. Back in the day, he'd have to do everything ASAP. My point exactly. If we don't need scoring from him, is he that great a defender for him to play in front of guys who can score AND defend just as well?? The 2010 team was so special because our Forwards were the most versatile group in the Country. They could all score multiple ways, put the ball on the floor, rebound, and defend. The combination of Polee, O'brien, and Stephens mimics that. Shepard has the frame, but he lacks the overall game. He can and will develop over the next few years, but in terms of 2012-13, he's too raw to make a huge impact. I'd love to hear about Polee's versatile scoring ability. |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:45:28 GMT -8
Forget about his inability to score. I don't see him being able to beat College level wing defenders off the dribble. And I don't see Fisher playing him over O'brien and Polee just because he can make a few sweet passes here and there. His perimeter D is solid but it's not so dominant that we can just ignore his lack of offense. I think you are very wrong about his ability to handle the ball but okay. Handling the ball in transition is much different from breaking down a half court defense. I agree, his ability to handle the ball and make sweet passes in transition for a 6'8 guy is pretty impressive. Is it more impressive than what I've seen from O'brien, Polee, or Franklin? No |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 12:47:49 GMT -8
Stephens is pretty raw, he has only been playing ball for a few years. And form what I have seen his offense is pretty limited. Yet he out ranks all? He is athletic as hell, but shot making is not his strength. Stephens catches and dunks everything. He knows what he is. He's not trying to play on the perimeter. Plus he's a great rebounder and shot blocker. I got to see him up close this summer. He got WAY better. Against Drew League defenses? Isn't that like complimenting someone's pass-blocking in passing league? |
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Post by iambballanalyst on Aug 20, 2012 12:47:53 GMT -8
If Rahon is shooting the ball well, What's stopping Fisher from going with a small line up like he did last year with X, Chase, James, Jamaal, Stephens?? I think that's a very good possibility. That line up can get up through conference. We only saw a handful of games where our lack of size was a major factor. This year we'll have that size in our back pockets.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 12:49:54 GMT -8
If Rahon is shooting the ball well, What's stopping Fisher from going with a small line up like he did last year with X, Chase, James, Jamaal, Stephens?? I think that's a very good possibility. That line up can get up through conference. We only saw a handful of games where our lack of size was a major factor. This year we'll have that size in our back pockets. Unfortunately they were our most important games. (MWC Final and NCAA tournament) |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2012 12:51:26 GMT -8
If Rahon is shooting the ball well, What's stopping Fisher from going with a small line up like he did last year with X, Chase, James, Jamaal, Stephens?? I think that's a very good possibility. That line up can get up through conference. We only saw a handful of games where our lack of size was a major factor. This year we'll have that size in our back pockets. Unfortunately they were our most important games. (MWC Final and NCAA tournament) NC State showed what SDSU needs to do to ensure better success. That is have size. |
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