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Post by aztecryan on Jun 4, 2012 19:35:30 GMT -8
It is possible that Fried was rated above Appel on the Padres board. Signability or not, give me the high upside left-handed pitcher that has a tremendous ceiling with comparisons to Cole Hamels and Clayton Kershaw over the right-handed college pitcher that has tremendous innings already under his belt and sizable wear and tear on his arm. There was a start last year where Appel threw in the neighborhood of 150 pitches. Screams durability concerns to me in the future. Very happy with the draft. 4 guys in Keith Law's top 60, Eflin at 33 is great value (Law had him ranked at 14). Now just sign them all.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 19:58:28 GMT -8
It is possible that Fried was rated above Appel on the Padres board. Signability or not, give me the high upside left-handed pitcher that has a tremendous ceiling with comparisons to Cole Hamels and Clayton Kershaw over the right-handed college pitcher that has tremendous innings already under his belt and sizable wear and tear on his arm. There was a start last year where Appel threw in the neighborhood of 150 pitches. Screams durability concerns to me in the future. Very happy with the draft. 4 guys in Keith Law's top 60, Eflin at 33 is great value (Law had him ranked at 14). Now just sign them all. I hear you about his durability. I would say no on having Fried rated higher then Appel since everyone had Appel and Buxton going 1 and 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2012 5:18:03 GMT -8
Dave Perkin's Analysis: Fried, whose idol is Sandy Koufax, is a nascent Clayton Kershaw type lefty in terms of stuff and mechanics. Fried tosses a 91-93 mph fastball which peaks at 94 and adds a superlative mid 70's curve. His best pitch is an 81 mph change up, which magically disappears as it reaches the plate. A potential staff ace, Fried must overcome an occasional habit of dropping his arm slot and opening his front side too quickly, causing his pitches to sail high and outside. Read more: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/06/04/2012.mlb.draft.tracker.perkin/index.html#ixzz1wvNMRp7m
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 5, 2012 9:07:17 GMT -8
I expect a run on bats for us in Day 2.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 5, 2012 14:12:02 GMT -8
I expect a run on bats for us in Day 2. These idiots should have gone after bats yesterday. Not to mention a shortstop. Anyone (except most of us on this board) can pitch in that stadium. Pitching and pitching well is two different things. Thinking the Padres don't need good pitching to win is just plain silly. We just traded a pitcher for two hitters that we are all excited about. They need to draft value. Do you care if you have 4 $5 bills or a $20 bill in your wallet?
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Jun 5, 2012 14:57:21 GMT -8
Okay guys, when are we planning to stop citing 2004 as proof the Padres are cheap? From 2007-2011 the Padres are 9th in bonus expenditures spent on the MLB draft (tops in NL West). I concede that they have had some high draft picks, which require more money, but I feel emotions are getting in the way of facts.
Fried has gotten a lot of attention and was definitely a top 10 pick. The Padres liked him, so they pulled the trigger. No problem with that.
And for those Moneyball fans out there who say "never pick a high schooler," I tend to disagree. In fact, even the A's tend to disagree as they have been picking a lot more high schoolers in the early rounds (including this year). While the "higher ceiling, lower floor" label that most attach to high schoolers may not always ring true, the Padres are in a good position to draft high ceiling guys (again, they don't have to be high schoolers to have a high ceiling) and spend a few extra years molding them since they actually have a good farm system for once. I am personally excited about what the Padres have done with the draft so far, as are most analysts. Here's hoping we can sign 75-80% of them and keep that farm system well-stocked!
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 5, 2012 15:02:31 GMT -8
Okay guys, when are we planning to stop citing 2004 as proof the Padres are cheap? From 2007-2011 the Padres are 9th in bonus expenditures spent on the MLB draft (tops in NL West). I concede that they have had some high draft picks, which require more money, but I feel emotions are getting in the way of facts. Fried has gotten a lot of attention and was definitely a top 10 pick. The Padres liked him, so they pulled the trigger. No problem with that. And for those Moneyball fans out there who say "never pick a high schooler," I tend to disagree. In fact, even the A's tend to disagree as they have been picking a lot more high schoolers in the early rounds (including this year). While the "higher ceiling, lower floor" label that most attach to high schoolers may not always ring true, the Padres are in a good position to draft high ceiling guys (again, they don't have to be high schoolers to have a high ceiling) and spend a few extra years molding them since they actually have a good farm system for once. I am personally excited about what the Padres have done with the draft so far, as are most analysts. Here's hoping we can sign 75-80% of them and keep that farm system well-stocked! When it comes to first round picks, our Padres have proven to go the cheaper route. That is a fact!
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Jun 5, 2012 15:28:32 GMT -8
Okay guys, when are we planning to stop citing 2004 as proof the Padres are cheap? From 2007-2011 the Padres are 9th in bonus expenditures spent on the MLB draft (tops in NL West). I concede that they have had some high draft picks, which require more money, but I feel emotions are getting in the way of facts. Fried has gotten a lot of attention and was definitely a top 10 pick. The Padres liked him, so they pulled the trigger. No problem with that. And for those Moneyball fans out there who say "never pick a high schooler," I tend to disagree. In fact, even the A's tend to disagree as they have been picking a lot more high schoolers in the early rounds (including this year). While the "higher ceiling, lower floor" label that most attach to high schoolers may not always ring true, the Padres are in a good position to draft high ceiling guys (again, they don't have to be high schoolers to have a high ceiling) and spend a few extra years molding them since they actually have a good farm system for once. I am personally excited about what the Padres have done with the draft so far, as are most analysts. Here's hoping we can sign 75-80% of them and keep that farm system well-stocked! When it comes to first round picks, our Padres have proven to go the cheaper route. That is a fact! I suck at picking up on internet sarcasm, but I'm assuming it's present here? Just because I feel like it would be weird to say "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft under the former collective bargaining agreement, they didn't spend the most, so I'm not happy." Or "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft, all that money didn't go to first round picks and instead went to more than one person, so I'm not happy." Plus the qualitative use of "cheaper" with the word "fact" is kind of confusing.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 5, 2012 15:47:17 GMT -8
When it comes to first round picks, our Padres have proven to go the cheaper route. That is a fact! I suck at picking up on internet sarcasm, but I'm assuming it's present here? Just because I feel like it would be weird to say "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft under the former collective bargaining agreement, they didn't spend the most, so I'm not happy." Or "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft, all that money didn't go to first round picks and instead went to more than one person, so I'm not happy." Plus the qualitative use of "cheaper" with the word "fact" is kind of confusing. Do you really want me to go waste time and go down our first round picks for the last 10 years and prove it to you?
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 5, 2012 17:40:03 GMT -8
Pitching and pitching well is two different things. Thinking the Padres don't need good pitching to win is just plain silly. We just traded a pitcher for two hitters that we are all excited about. They need to draft value. Do you care if you have 4 $5 bills or a $20 bill in your wallet? I didn't say they don't need good pitching to win. I'm saying that average pitchers become good ones when they get here. We can get dudes like that off the scrap heap. This franchise has needed impact bats for more than ten years. You are simply wrong. Pitching is just as important for the Padres as it is for any other team in baseball. So what if a pitcher can post a 3.40 ERA at home. A pitcher might need a 2.80 ERA at home just to be a .500 pitcher. And pitchers have to pitch on the road too. If two pitchers oppose each other, the better one will tend to win more often. Where they are pitching doesn't matter. The object is to win. Having better pitchers than your opponents is important to that end.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 5, 2012 17:46:32 GMT -8
I suck at picking up on internet sarcasm, but I'm assuming it's present here? Just because I feel like it would be weird to say "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft under the former collective bargaining agreement, they didn't spend the most, so I'm not happy." Or "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft, all that money didn't go to first round picks and instead went to more than one person, so I'm not happy." Plus the qualitative use of "cheaper" with the word "fact" is kind of confusing. Do you really want me to go waste time and go down our first round picks for the last 10 years and prove it to you? No. He wants you to admit you are wrong. Since Matt Bush, the Padres have done a very good job of drafting and signing players. No cheap about it. Last year they signed first round (Boras) talent and signed them to first round money in the 3rd round. This is not isolated. The Padres have had more draft picks than any other team since Sandy Alderson (and Towers) started gaming the system after Matt Bush. They have drafted value and signed them. They have been drafting high floor players but have now switched to high ceiling players. That is not, I suspect, a change in philosophy but a change in the make up of our minor league system. The Padres have a ton of high floor players in the minors. Starting last year they switched to high ceiling players. That was the smart thing to do. The high floor players were needed to stock a very bad minors that Sandy took over after he was brought in to be the CEO after Moores realized Bush couldn't happen again.
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Jun 5, 2012 17:48:52 GMT -8
I suck at picking up on internet sarcasm, but I'm assuming it's present here? Just because I feel like it would be weird to say "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft under the former collective bargaining agreement, they didn't spend the most, so I'm not happy." Or "Even though the Padres spent the 9th most money on the draft, all that money didn't go to first round picks and instead went to more than one person, so I'm not happy." Plus the qualitative use of "cheaper" with the word "fact" is kind of confusing. Do you really want me to go waste time and go down our first round picks for the last 10 years and prove it to you? 10 years ago there was a different CBA and the organization was completely different. What does what the Padres did 10 years ago have to do with now? Are you saying that they picked Fried because he'll sign for cheap and not because of his talent? Because I, and the analysts that gave the Padres a great Day One draft grade (most of them) seem to disagree with you.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 5, 2012 18:20:18 GMT -8
You are simply wrong. Pitching is just as important for the Padres as it is for any other team in baseball. So what if a pitcher can post a 3.40 ERA at home. A pitcher might need a 2.80 ERA at home just to be a .500 pitcher. And pitchers have to pitch on the road too. If two pitchers oppose each other, the better one will tend to win more often. Where they are pitching doesn't matter. The object is to win. Having better pitchers than your opponents is important to that end. Duh. I respect your knowledge, but you don't seem to get that a team cannot win a game 0-0. This franchise hasn't had an impact bat since the Vaughn/Caminiti days. Since the Padres have been in Petco Park (2004-2011), the Padres hitters have ranked better on the road (#4 in NL) than the Padres pitchers (#10 NL) . That means overall we have had better hitters than pitchers. Petco Park clouds that fact.
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 5, 2012 18:26:42 GMT -8
ESPN Insider story Padres pad farm leadThe Padres had the No. 1 overall farm system in baseball to start the season...
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Jun 5, 2012 18:35:14 GMT -8
Duh. I respect your knowledge, but you don't seem to get that a team cannot win a game 0-0. This franchise hasn't had an impact bat since the Vaughn/Caminiti days. Since the Padres have been in Petco Park (2004-2011), the Padres hitters have ranked better on the road (#4 in NL) than the Padres pitchers (#10 NL) . That means overall we have had better hitters than pitchers. Petco Park clouds that fact. Best player available. Always. If we have a system stacked with pitchers and no hitting talent, just make a Pineda-Montero type swap. Pitchers will be valuable from now until the end of time. A man with a million dollars in gold is not richer than a man with a million dollars in silver.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 5, 2012 19:09:01 GMT -8
Do you really want me to go waste time and go down our first round picks for the last 10 years and prove it to you? 10 years ago there was a different CBA and the organization was completely different. What does what the Padres did 10 years ago have to do with now? Are you saying that they picked Fried because he'll sign for cheap and not because of his talent? Because I, and the analysts that gave the Padres a great Day One draft grade (most of them) seem to disagree with you. It's called a history of going for the cheaper player in the first round and something called signability.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 5, 2012 19:26:06 GMT -8
This is for you liveexployted. Dumb ass making me waste my time!
2011 Cory Spangenberg- He was the cheap choice here and signability was a huge factor here.
2011 Joe Ross- Our 2nd pick in the first round. Normal amount to sign
2010 Karsten Whitson- Didn't sign. Not the Padres fault cause he changed last minute.
2009 Donavan Tate- Good pick for the time and they pony upped and paid here.
2008 Allan Dykstra- Cheap choice
2007 Nick Schmidt- Cheap choice
2006 Matthew Antonelli- Cheap choice
2005 Cesar Carrillo- Average for his slot
2004 Matt Bush- Cheap choice
2003 Tim Stauffer- Cheap choice big time
2002 Khalil Greene- Average for his slot
There is the last 10 years of first round picks and I proved my point. Joking of course, now you can STFU!
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Jun 5, 2012 19:41:18 GMT -8
10 years ago there was a different CBA and the organization was completely different. What does what the Padres did 10 years ago have to do with now? Are you saying that they picked Fried because he'll sign for cheap and not because of his talent? Because I, and the analysts that gave the Padres a great Day One draft grade (most of them) seem to disagree with you. It's called a history of going for the cheaper player in the first round and something called signability. Well, clearly you do not agree with me so I would like to ask you what you would have done had you controlled the Padres draft? You say you would have liked to have had Appel taken. He would likely require much more than slot value (Krasovic reported he turned down 6 million from the Astros). So, what would you do with the other SIX players we drafted in the top 63? Only signed a few of them? Drafted signability guys for the rest of the draft? You have to take into account the cap limit.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 5, 2012 19:43:25 GMT -8
It's called a history of going for the cheaper player in the first round and something called signability. Well, clearly you do not agree with me so I would like to ask you what you would have done had you controlled the Padres draft? You say you would have liked to have had Appel taken. He would likely require much more than slot value (Krasovic reported he turned down 6 million from the Astros). So, what would you do with the other SIX players we drafted in the top 63? Only signed a few of them? Drafted signability guys for the rest of the draft? You have to take into account the cap limit. I would have drafted the best player available regardless of price. The cap limit is brand new this year. You cannot afford to miss with your first pick and we have missed badly over the years. It's embarrassing and im sick and tired of it.
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