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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 17:09:38 GMT -8
It is a cheaper move! It would cost more to sign Appel. Last year they showed that price was not an issue. They paid first round money to 3 players they drafted well after the first round. The Padres will likely draft a hard sign or two later and surprise folks by signing them, if last year is any indication of their direction. Also new cap this year on what we can pay the draft picks as a whole. I think we have 9.9 million to sign our first 10 picks or something like that.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 4, 2012 17:25:36 GMT -8
... and I wouldn't classify this as a "cheapskate move"... He was picked right about where he was projected to go, and given both the pitch count and Boros issues, may have been considered a safer option than Appel. It's not as if they reached deep into the barrel to dredge up a Matt Bush. He may be a HS player, but he's legit as a #7 overall choice. It is a cheaper move! It would cost more to sign Appel. Cheap er, yes... but "cheap ass", as you stated above, absolutely not.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 17:27:45 GMT -8
It is a cheaper move! It would cost more to sign Appel. Cheap er, yes... but "cheap ass", as you stated above, absolutely not. Just about the same thing.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 4, 2012 18:09:49 GMT -8
Cheap er, yes... but "cheap ass", as you stated above, absolutely not. Just about the same thing. Not even close... Corvette vs Ferrari is "cheaper" Smart Car vs Ferrari is "cheap ass" (and a Matt Bush-type move)
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 18:12:56 GMT -8
Just about the same thing. Not even close... Corvette vs Ferrari is "cheaper" Smart Car vs Ferrari is "cheap ass" (and a Matt Bush-type move) Wrong! Padres are known to be cheap and that has to change in order for us to make progress. And I know we spent some good coin last year but we still have been shying away from the higher priced players. You can't deny that and if you do, you have no clue on what you are talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 18:14:16 GMT -8
F*cking Padres, I hate you! Took the high school kid Fried instead of Appel who almost everyone had going #1. F*cking cheap ass Padres. Bingo! Weiner! Weiner! Remember, these are the same Padres that buy from outlet stores, not Neiman-Marcus. Maybe next year, with new owners, we can afford the real number one pick. Hey, do you not think Moores will milk the Padres and their fans a little longer? Moores claims he wants to sell, but not sure the Padres get a new owner next year. However, I hope he is gone tomorrow!!! Btw-have you seen what Ernesto Frieri has done since being traded to the the Angels.
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Post by AztecFan619 on Jun 4, 2012 18:27:23 GMT -8
Appel seems to be throwing a hissy fit. Doesnt wanna talk to the pirates media and now says he wants to possibly go back to school and win a national title. Thats a Boras client for t You
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 18:30:57 GMT -8
Appel seems to be throwing a hissy fit. Doesnt wanna talk to the pirates media and now says he wants to possibly go back to school and win a national title. Thats a Boras client for t You I hate it when players act like that. He needs to quit being a bitch and deal with it.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 4, 2012 18:31:23 GMT -8
Not even close... Corvette vs Ferrari is "cheaper" Smart Car vs Ferrari is "cheap ass" (and a Matt Bush-type move) Wrong! Padres are known to be cheap and that has to change in order for us to make progress. And I know we spent some good coin last year but we still have been shying away from the higher priced players. You can't deny that and if you do, you have no clue on what you are talking about. They don't have the income stream (and therefore budget) of the New York, Chicago, or Dodgers, and that does limit what they can realistically do. The new TV contract should help, but even so they're still not going to be able to dish out $20-$25M per year for any one player, I don't give a damn who it is. The way they handled the draft, and the trade for Quentin, were good signs for a higher budget mindset. How much of that was the now outbound Jeff Moorad, and how much was the philosophy of the organization as a whole remains to be seen. I hope we don't get back into Moore's "hold the line until I sell the damned thing" mode while waiting for new ownership to step up and get approved (and I'm still pissed off at the punk-assed owners who screwed the team over by waiting until the last minute to show their animus for former-agent Moorad instead of letting the team know it was going to be a non-starter from the starting gun and not waste the past 2 years setting up an ownership/management team that may not be around next year) If by "cheap" you mean they're not going to go toe-to-toe with the Yankees, BoSox, Mets, Cubs, ChiSox, and Dodgers when it comes to throwing money around, you're right. I don't consider that cheap... I consider it common sense for a team that doesn't have that much income on tap I do expect them to keep ratcheting up the annual budget numbers though, and any backsliding from this year's improvements in that area will not be welcomed.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 4, 2012 18:32:52 GMT -8
Appel seems to be throwing a hissy fit. Doesnt wanna talk to the pirates media and now says he wants to possibly go back to school and win a national title. Thats a Boras client for t You Maybe the teams (including the Padres) saw that personality trait and that, as much as the other factors discussed above, is why he fell so many picks from where he was expected to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 18:34:01 GMT -8
Just about the same thing. Not even close... Corvette vs Ferrari is "cheaper" Smart Car vs Ferrari is "cheap ass" (and a Matt Bush-type move) Did you mean Frieri? ;D
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 18:35:24 GMT -8
Wrong! Padres are known to be cheap and that has to change in order for us to make progress. And I know we spent some good coin last year but we still have been shying away from the higher priced players. You can't deny that and if you do, you have no clue on what you are talking about. They don't have the income stream (and therefore budget) of the New York, Chicago, or Dodgers, and that does limit what they can realistically do. The new TV contract should help, but even so they're still not going to be able to dish out $20-$25M per year for any one player, I don't give a damn who it is. The way they handled the draft, and the trade for Quentin, were good signs for a higher budget mindset. How much of that was the now outbound Jeff Moorad, and how much was the philosophy of the organization as a whole remains to be seen. I hope we don't get back into Moore's "hold the line until I sell the damned thing" mode while waiting for new ownership to step up and get approved (and I'm still pissed off at the punk-assed owners who screwed the team over by waiting until the last minute to show their animus for former-agent Moorad instead of letting the team know it was going to be a non-starter from the starting gun and not waste the past 2 years setting up an ownership/management team that may not be around next year) If by "cheap" you mean they're not going to go toe-to-toe with the Yankees, BoSox, Mets, Cubs, ChiSox, and Dodgers when it comes to throwing money around, you're right. I don't consider that cheap... I consider it common sense for a team that doesn't have that much income on tap I do expect them to keep ratcheting up the annual budget numbers though, and any backsliding from this year's improvements in that area will not be welcomed. What I mean by cheap is, during the draft you take the best available player regardless of how much it cost to sign him. Not drafting a player you know will sign at a lower price.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 18:37:54 GMT -8
We just took Zach Eflin with our first sandwich pick. He is a high school pitcher out of Florida.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 4, 2012 18:39:12 GMT -8
They don't have the income stream (and therefore budget) of the New York, Chicago, or Dodgers, and that does limit what they can realistically do. The new TV contract should help, but even so they're still not going to be able to dish out $20-$25M per year for any one player, I don't give a damn who it is. The way they handled the draft, and the trade for Quentin, were good signs for a higher budget mindset. How much of that was the now outbound Jeff Moorad, and how much was the philosophy of the organization as a whole remains to be seen. I hope we don't get back into Moore's "hold the line until I sell the damned thing" mode while waiting for new ownership to step up and get approved (and I'm still pissed off at the punk-assed owners who screwed the team over by waiting until the last minute to show their animus for former-agent Moorad instead of letting the team know it was going to be a non-starter from the starting gun and not waste the past 2 years setting up an ownership/management team that may not be around next year) If by "cheap" you mean they're not going to go toe-to-toe with the Yankees, BoSox, Mets, Cubs, ChiSox, and Dodgers when it comes to throwing money around, you're right. I don't consider that cheap... I consider it common sense for a team that doesn't have that much income on tap I do expect them to keep ratcheting up the annual budget numbers though, and any backsliding from this year's improvements in that area will not be welcomed. What I mean by cheap is, during the draft you take the best available player regardless of how much it cost to sign him. Not drafting a player you know will sign at a lower price. Given the punk outburst by Appel mentioned above, it's possible that the additional expected cost (and with the new cap structure, there's not all that much wiggle room... a 7th pick is going to fall in a certain range) wasn't the only factor in their deciding not to go for him. His overuse by Stanford (several games well over 100 pitches, including 122, 133 and 140) could also have been a red flag.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 4, 2012 18:40:16 GMT -8
Not even close... Corvette vs Ferrari is "cheaper" Smart Car vs Ferrari is "cheap ass" (and a Matt Bush-type move) Did you mean Frieri? ;D Rimshot! ;D
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 18:40:25 GMT -8
What I mean by cheap is, during the draft you take the best available player regardless of how much it cost to sign him. Not drafting a player you know will sign at a lower price. Given the punk outburst by Appel mentioned above, it's possible that the additional expected cost (and with the new cap structure, there's not all that much wiggle room... a 7th pick is going to fall in a certain range) wasn't the only factor in their deciding not to go for him. His overuse by Stanford (several games well over 100 pitches, including 122, 133 and 140) could also have been a red flag. Not true, you could decide to pay your first pick all the money if you wanted to and not be able to sign the rest of your picks.
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Post by K2Aztec73 on Jun 4, 2012 18:47:22 GMT -8
Given the punk outburst by Appel mentioned above, it's possible that the additional expected cost (and with the new cap structure, there's not all that much wiggle room... a 7th pick is going to fall in a certain range) wasn't the only factor in their deciding not to go for him. His overuse by Stanford (several games well over 100 pitches, including 122, 133 and 140) could also have been a red flag. Not true, you could decide to pay your first pick all the money if you wanted to and not be able to sign the rest of your picks. Yeah... you could do that... and it would be a really stupid move! The purpose of the draft is to stock your minor league system and try to keep the pipeline full of useful players. A 1-man draft year would be a disaster for the long term health of the organization. Just as spending 1/3 of your total player budget on one player and being forced to fill out the rest of the roster with a bunch of scrubs with no upside. While this year's team has been a huge disappointment due both to players not performing up to expectations and being hard hit by the injury bug, at least there was considerable upside there if more of the youngsters had panned out better. Luebke was on track for an outstanding year before the injury imp bit him.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 19:05:14 GMT -8
Not true, you could decide to pay your first pick all the money if you wanted to and not be able to sign the rest of your picks. Luebke was on track for an outstanding year before the injury imp bit him. Yes he was and he is going to be a beast for us!
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 19:07:56 GMT -8
Not true, you could decide to pay your first pick all the money if you wanted to and not be able to sign the rest of your picks. Yeah... you could do that... and it would be a really stupid move! The purpose of the draft is to stock your minor league system and try to keep the pipeline full of useful players. A 1-man draft year would be a disaster for the long term health of the organization. Just as spending 1/3 of your total player budget on one player and being forced to fill out the rest of the roster with a bunch of scrubs with no upside. My point is the Padres shy away from players that are going to cost a lot to sign and players that are hard to sign AKA signability.
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Post by AztecTom on Jun 4, 2012 19:13:55 GMT -8
Digging the kid we got from Stony Brook with a .419 average. They say is is a true leadoff hitter with speed. Absolutely love the kid we just picked out of high school in Florida. Walker Weckel, 6'6 and a 195 pound pitcher. This kid is a stud! 12-1 this past year with a 1.37 era. 93 K's in 72 innings. I think the Padres did a very good job with our first four picks. Very happy with our draft so far. I would have to give the padres front office an A so far.
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