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Post by aztecadopter on Jan 21, 2011 19:17:56 GMT -8
Hey Guys --
I have been slammed with work and fatherhood and just noticed something really strange: there is a leopard running around Viejas Arena all mascot-like, and he did not give an exploding fist bump to my son (unlike the Warrior), so he/she/it is dead to me.
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Post by campanile on Jan 21, 2011 19:36:49 GMT -8
OK bright guy. If I read something that's not clear to me, as you admitted that Steve wasn't clear from the beginning, I ask a question to clear it up. Simple right? I guess not for you. Very dumb. It would be simple if you knew what you were talking about. The problem as I see it is, you don't seem to understand the difference between "confusion" and "misunderstanding". Ironically, in this way, you have exposed yourself as somewhat of a dim-bulb. Anyway, if I felt confused I would have asked Steve to clarify as I have done in the past so many times to no avail. No, I thought I understood what Steve was saying. That's called a "misunderstanding". "Con-fu-sion" and "mis-under-stand-ing"...Two different things there guy, you should look into it and get back to me. I will be here waiting for your apology.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Jan 21, 2011 19:40:18 GMT -8
I'll admit it. I made a mistake on Steve's words when he said that Monty needs a new uniform. I misinterpreted it. I was mistaken because I assumed that when Steve typed, "My ultimate goal is to bring back the name Monty Montezuma and put that mascot in the Monty Montezuma uniform that we all love." In this thread. aztecmesa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ats&thread=7734&page=13#124636I put those two seperate posts together. I might not be fair because they were made at two different times and Steve is certainly entitled to change his mind. The Monty that we have now has the most authentic costume that is true back to the tradition of SDSU in the 50's and early 60's (I never have found a picture of Monty from the 40's). IMO, if we all really want to be true to traditon, we should not waver from the way it was back then. If we truly want the Monty costume from the late 80's-90's, then I'm afraid we are confusing the true meaning of "tradition" with "I just want what we had when I went to SDSU".
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Post by campanile on Jan 21, 2011 19:45:48 GMT -8
Som I'll admit it. I made a mistake on Steve's words when he said that Monty needs a new uniform. I misinterpreted it. I was mistaken because I assumed that when Steve typed, "My ultimate goal is to bring back the name Monty Montezuma and put that mascot in the Monty Montezuma uniform that we all love." In this thread. aztecmesa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ats&thread=7734&page=13#124636I put those two seperate posts together. I might not be fair because they were made at two different times and Steve is certainly entitled to change his mind. The Monty that we have now has the most authentic costume that is true back to the tradition of SDSU in the 50's and early 60's (I never have found a picture of Monty from the 40's). IMO, if we all really want to be true to traditon, we should not waver from the way it was back then. If we truly want the Monty costume from the late 80's-90's, then I'm afraid we are confusing the true meaning of "tradition" with "I just want what we had when I went to SDSU". An excellent message from start to finish that sums up the way I feel and explains my misunderstanding of Steve as well.
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Post by 1611Luginbill on Jan 21, 2011 20:10:11 GMT -8
I would also like to add that while I would like, in my personal opinion, Monty to be the most authentic to tradition, that...
1) The modern Monty cannot have a spear while in the crowd. We can all thank insurance companies and an over litigious society for that. 1a) I think the conch shell makes an excellent replacement that doesn't change the total character.
2) The shield is pretty darn close. Close enough IMO.
3) While I wish we could have the red disgruntled Monty mask (circa 1956) as part of the costume, it's probably a very efficient way of landing Monty (aka The Aztec Warrior) on the NCAA's insensitive mascot list. Which would most likely mean the end of any Monty or "warrior" whatsoever. Again, the headgear we have now is good enough.
4) I wish we could have the official name "Monty" back. It's really in a grey area. Personally, I don't think it is offensive but I could definitely understand how some other individuals could find it offensive. It's really a case of detente where while the University does not officially promote the name "Monty", it does not exactly discourage individuals from referring to the Aztec Warrior as "Monty" in casual conversation. The University has a wide obligation while I think that people ought to have the freedom to refer to the primary mascot in whatever name they feel. This is probably the toughest aspect of the whole mascot fiasco.
5) I think we all need to remember...I think we can all agree that this Zuma issue has brought out the best sides of everyone when it comes to supporting a student "Monty" (or whatever we want to call it). We ought to also remember that it is quite easy for the naysayers to 'get the band back together' sotospeak as well. The naysayer's burden of proof was much lower and less bound to actual logic but that doesn't discount the fact that they could take a new case all the way to the NCAA, bypassing the CS and SDSU president's office all together. I don't think anybody wants to lose the student mascot due to a faux outrage about a mask, logo, costume, etc.
We all want a student warrior mascot. We all want Aztecs as a name. That must never change. I think there is a very workable and pragmatic solution that fits under those two pillars of tradition. Let's not get caught up in the details.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 21, 2011 20:13:30 GMT -8
OK bright guy. If I read something that's not clear to me, as you admitted that Steve wasn't clear from the beginning, I ask a question to clear it up. Simple right? I guess not for you. Very dumb. It would be simple if you knew what you were talking about. The problem as I see it is, you don't seem to understand the difference between "confusion" and "misunderstanding". Ironically, in this way, you have exposed yourself as somewhat of a dim-bulb. Anyway, if I felt confused I would have asked Steve to clarify as I have done in the past so many times to no avail. No, I thought I understood what Steve was saying. That's called a "misunderstanding". "Con-fu-sion" and "mis-under-stand-ing"...Two different things there guy, you should look into it and get back to me. I will be here waiting for your apology. You got called out by Steve and others on your sh**ty post to Steve, in response to the uniform, and now you're back peddling. Incredible, you say that Steve wasn't clear from the BEGINNING, yet you chose to slam him in your initial post about the uniform. Just like you said, a new uniform could mean alot of different things, but you decided to jump on the keyboard and slam Steve as fast as you can. Now, just because you look like the idiot that you are by responding to Steve's post in a derogatory way, you're trying to save face. Face it, you got called on it by assuming, so stop backpeddling, ding dong.
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Post by campanile on Jan 22, 2011 0:53:00 GMT -8
It would be simple if you knew what you were talking about. The problem as I see it is, you don't seem to understand the difference between "confusion" and "misunderstanding". Ironically, in this way, you have exposed yourself as somewhat of a dim-bulb. Anyway, if I felt confused I would have asked Steve to clarify as I have done in the past so many times to no avail. No, I thought I understood what Steve was saying. That's called a "misunderstanding". "Con-fu-sion" and "mis-under-stand-ing"...Two different things there guy, you should look into it and get back to me. I will be here waiting for your apology. You got called out by Steve and others on your sh**ty post to Steve, in response to the uniform, and now you're back peddling. Incredible, you say that Steve wasn't clear from the BEGINNING, yet you chose to slam him in your initial post about the uniform. Just like you said, a new uniform could mean alot of different things, but you decided to jump on the keyboard and slam Steve as fast as you can. Now, just because you look like the idiot that you are by responding to Steve's post in a derogatory way, you're trying to save face. Face it, you got called on it by assuming, so stop backpeddling, ding dong. Did you just call me a ding dong? Ha haaa! That's so lame. "Ding dong"... that's what little girls call each other. OK, two can play that game, my fine feathered friend.... You're a ding-a-ling! ;D Anywho... I simply misunderstood Stevie because he's an ineffective communicator. Based on his previous complaints regarding the New Aztec Warrior, and his hard-on for the Monty costume I figured he was making a statement about the uniform. Why? Because He didn't bother to fill us in on the simple yet significant detail that the uniform is worn out. Steve only gave us half the information! As I've said before, I'm not a mind reader, ding-a-ling. ;D As for being "called out", what does that mean and why should I care? You can ineffectively call me out all you want, it means nothing. I'm going to call you out then. There, consider yourself called out. And you still don't know what "assume" means. You should look that up.
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Post by KickAztec on Jan 22, 2011 6:10:11 GMT -8
Steve, please keep us posted on why the mascot committee decided to ignore the advice and discussion to significantly reduce the spotted cougar profile at the games. That cat was significantly featured out on the court.
Get rid of that thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 8:06:17 GMT -8
I would also like to add that while I would like, in my personal opinion, Monty to be the most authentic to tradition, that... 1) The modern Monty cannot have a spear while in the crowd. We can all thank insurance companies and an over litigious society for that. 1a) I think the conch shell makes an excellent replacement that doesn't change the total character. 2) The shield is pretty darn close. Close enough IMO. 3) While I wish we could have the red disgruntled Monty mask (circa 1956) as part of the costume, it's probably a very efficient way of landing Monty (aka The Aztec Warrior) on the NCAA's insensitive mascot list. Which would most likely mean the end of any Monty or "warrior" whatsoever. Again, the headgear we have now is good enough. 4) I wish we could have the official name "Monty" back. It's really in a grey area. Personally, I don't think it is offensive but I could definitely understand how some other individuals could find it offensive. It's really a case of detente where while the University does not officially promote the name "Monty", it does not exactly discourage individuals from referring to the Aztec Warrior as "Monty" in casual conversation. The University has a wide obligation while I think that people ought to have the freedom to refer to the primary mascot in whatever name they feel. This is probably the toughest aspect of the whole mascot fiasco. 5) I think we all need to remember...I think we can all agree that this Zuma issue has brought out the best sides of everyone when it comes to supporting a student "Monty" (or whatever we want to call it). We ought to also remember that it is quite easy for the naysayers to 'get the band back together' sotospeak as well. The naysayer's burden of proof was much lower and less bound to actual logic but that doesn't discount the fact that they could take a new case all the way to the NCAA, bypassing the CS and SDSU president's office all together. I don't think anybody wants to lose the student mascot due to a faux outrage about a mask, logo, costume, etc. We all want a student warrior mascot. We all want Aztecs as a name. That must never change. I think there is a very workable and pragmatic solution that fits under those two pillars of tradition. Let's not get caught up in the details. You should be on the mascot committee.
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Post by aronoff on Jan 22, 2011 9:07:58 GMT -8
What logo best represents Aztec Sports Who approved the last re-do ? CNN ? NCAA has scared institutions from having a human image as a logo Only Florida State, UNLV, New Mex State, and E Carolina push the envelope. Attachments:
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 22, 2011 9:13:56 GMT -8
Funny that the daily rag hasn't mentioned the #6 BB team in the country for 3 days. But, in a story on the crowds and the Show, there is a picture of the BYWho Cougar dancing at half court. Just a coincidence? A more conspiracy minded person would be suspicious.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 22, 2011 9:39:21 GMT -8
Good one. Coming from a guy that did not graduate college. Outstanding return serve, ramrodd23! But remember, a failure to finish college is rarely directly related to a lack of intelligence (however, in Steve's case...). I think a more accurate example of what IS directly related to a lack of intelligence would be the dropout who returns to SDSU only as a sports fan to obsess on a message board all day about cat costumes and muscle bound latinos wearing tunics. We'll never really know if he was too lazy, without discipline, or (more likely) lacked the grey matter to finish college... but he sure can form a meaningless committee like nobodies business! When it comes to the trivial, the unimportant, and the non existent, Stevie is as tenacious as hell. ;D Why the personal attack?
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Post by Steve Aztec on Jan 22, 2011 9:42:07 GMT -8
Steve, please keep us posted on why the mascot committee decided to ignore the advice and discussion to significantly reduce the spotted cougar profile at the games. That cat was significantly featured out on the court. Get rid of that thing. I will do that KickAztec. There will be another meeting soon and we will see where it goes. I know one thing, it is quite obvious the admins at the committe ignored what was talked about in the last meeting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2011 9:49:42 GMT -8
What logo best represents Aztec Sports Who approved the last re-do ? CNN ? Agree with you that the last three are awful. Why the Disgruntled Monty was replaced is beyond me. It's pretty much an authentic Aztec pictogram or whatever the term is, it isn't politically incorrect (God forbid) and I don't remember anybody really disliking it. Hell, Faulk was flashing it at the basketball game the other night and I've got the same shirt he was wearing, albeit in red and black. I once thought I would probably eventually get used to the DS State thing. Hasn't happened however and I sure would love to see Weber's replacement bring Disgruntled Monty back.
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 22, 2011 9:50:45 GMT -8
Steve, please keep us posted on why the mascot committee decided to ignore the advice and discussion to significantly reduce the spotted cougar profile at the games. That cat was significantly featured out on the court. Get rid of that thing. I will do that KickAztec. There will be another meeting soon and we will see where it goes. I know one thing, it is quite obvious the admins at the committe ignored what was talked about in the last meeting. Does that really surprise you. The only one that believes what they say is Campy.
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Post by aztecwin on Jan 22, 2011 9:56:59 GMT -8
Outstanding return serve, ramrodd23! But remember, a failure to finish college is rarely directly related to a lack of intelligence (however, in Steve's case...). I think a more accurate example of what IS directly related to a lack of intelligence would be the dropout who returns to SDSU only as a sports fan to obsess on a message board all day about cat costumes and muscle bound latinos wearing tunics. We'll never really know if he was too lazy, without discipline, or (more likely) lacked the grey matter to finish college... but he sure can form a meaningless committee like nobodies business! When it comes to the trivial, the unimportant, and the non existent, Stevie is as tenacious as hell. ;D Why the personal attack? That is just the way he rolls. Had hopes he would not find this new location. It will not be long before he really goes off the deep end on something and gets banned or enough folks will gang up on him and he will leave.
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Post by aztecfred on Jan 22, 2011 10:07:40 GMT -8
Keep up the good fight Steve. And you are not alone in this. Scary that our concern for integrity, Monty and the tradition at SDSU has to evolve into a scene from Pee Wee Herman of "I know you are but, what am I". Monty forever, Zuma never!
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Post by aronoff on Jan 22, 2011 10:32:21 GMT -8
We could always go to Quetzalcoatl Attachments:
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Post by campanile on Jan 22, 2011 10:48:55 GMT -8
Hey man, no need to be a cry baby. You sure don't mind dishing it out, so you should be able to take it too. You know the saying, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Post by campanile on Jan 22, 2011 11:06:01 GMT -8
Does that really surprise you. The only one that believes what they say is Campy. That's not at all true. There are many like me who aren't buying into the "Zuma is phasing the Warrior out" mumbo-jumbo being pushed by a minority group on this message board. You should get out more often; according to the poll, you are in the minority... www.aztecmesa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ats&action=display&thread=6430
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