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Post by aztecfred on Dec 28, 2010 10:45:59 GMT -8
I just hope we go to the TE's more. We got a lot of talent at the TE.
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Post by jeffreylw on Dec 28, 2010 10:47:32 GMT -8
The beauty of having a good pair of receivers (and offensive line) is being able to redshirt good players and not having to have them learn on the job.
Giving the younger guys time to mature allows them to step in without a great dropoff in on the field talent level.
That is a big step in the process of upgrading an entire program to the next level.
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Post by bill456 on Dec 28, 2010 11:23:32 GMT -8
has Brady set dates for spring Ball He mentioned something about it at his last press conference (after the Poinsettia Bowl) but I can’t remember when he said it would start. I think he said the 28 or 29th of Jan was the next time the team was going to meet.
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Post by ervaztec on Dec 28, 2010 11:23:51 GMT -8
I could see Escobar catching 40-50 balls as our go to possession guy lining up as either a TE or slot receiver.
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Post by monty on Dec 28, 2010 11:46:32 GMT -8
I could see Escobar catching 40-50 balls as our go to possession guy lining up as either a TE or slot receiver. Borges already started flexing him off the line. He'll do more of that, I'd imagine as well as just standing up in the tight end spot. He's big, but he's also fast, has great hands, and from what I can tell runs good routes. We're going to have a bunch of good tight ends if Alston is back and 100 percent, perhaps we'll see lots of 2 tight end sets with a single set back, or 2 tight ends 2 back - with hillman's patience, and an improved offensive line, a single back stretch play or counter and play pass off it could be a hell of an offense.
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Post by k5james on Dec 28, 2010 12:25:00 GMT -8
Borges already started flexing him off the line. He'll do more of that, I'd imagine as well as just standing up in the tight end spot. He's big, but he's also fast, has great hands, and from what I can tell runs good routes. We're going to have a bunch of good tight ends if Alston is back and 100 percent, perhaps we'll see lots of 2 tight end sets with a single set back, or 2 tight ends 2 back - with hillman's patience, and an improved offensive line, a single back stretch play or counter and play pass off it could be a hell of an offense. Hell, that's a scary thought for defenses with Umuolo or Escobar lining up as a fullback and then flexing out into the slot. They are going to eat LBs and Safeties alive!
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Post by monty on Dec 28, 2010 12:30:54 GMT -8
Borges already started flexing him off the line. He'll do more of that, I'd imagine as well as just standing up in the tight end spot. He's big, but he's also fast, has great hands, and from what I can tell runs good routes. We're going to have a bunch of good tight ends if Alston is back and 100 percent, perhaps we'll see lots of 2 tight end sets with a single set back, or 2 tight ends 2 back - with hillman's patience, and an improved offensive line, a single back stretch play or counter and play pass off it could be a hell of an offense. Hell, that's a scary thought for defenses with Umuolo or Escobar lining up as a fullback and then flexing out into the slot. They are going to eat LBs and Safeties alive! Think about shields as the 'real' tight end on the line and umolo and escobar both on the field - both with their hand on the ground, both at wings, both flexed out (hell put them on the same side and throw the ball behind them to a wr/hillman/kazee, both at tight end and shields/quigley as a h-back, etc. Quigley is a good tight end too - we have 4 big time tightends and an offensive coordinator who has always been willing to adjust to what he has.
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Post by hoobs on Dec 28, 2010 12:56:03 GMT -8
Hell, that's a scary thought for defenses with Umuolo or Escobar lining up as a fullback and then flexing out into the slot. They are going to eat LBs and Safeties alive! Think about shields as the 'real' tight end on the line and umolo and escobar both on the field - both with their hand on the ground, both at wings, both flexed out (hell put them on the same side and throw the ball behind them to a wr/hillman/kazee, both at tight end and shields/quigley as a h-back, etc. Quigley is a good tight end too - we have 4 big time tightends and an offensive coordinator who has always been willing to adjust to what he has. Al can create a lot of scary play-action plays in short-yardage, 3 TE sets with that group...
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Post by Steve Aztec on Dec 28, 2010 13:01:34 GMT -8
I think we have plenty of (good) receivers for next year.
I want us to go out and get a dyno myte JC receiver. A #1 guy.
Then I would see..
#1 Dyno myte JC guy #2 Ruffin #3 Sandifer #4 Nicholas #5 Denso
And a couple of good ones after that.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Dec 28, 2010 13:02:50 GMT -8
I could see Escobar catching 40-50 balls as our go to possession guy lining up as either a TE or slot receiver. Escobar is going to be a monster next year at either the Tight End or slot.
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Post by k5james on Dec 28, 2010 13:05:12 GMT -8
Hell, that's a scary thought for defenses with Umuolo or Escobar lining up as a fullback and then flexing out into the slot. They are going to eat LBs and Safeties alive! Think about shields as the 'real' tight end on the line and umolo and escobar both on the field - both with their hand on the ground, both at wings, both flexed out (hell put them on the same side and throw the ball behind them to a wr/hillman/kazee, both at tight end and shields/quigley as a h-back, etc. Quigley is a good tight end too - we have 4 big time tightends and an offensive coordinator who has always been willing to adjust to what he has. Something like this?
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Post by traholder on Dec 28, 2010 13:06:06 GMT -8
Ruffin Sandifer Nicholas (he is going to really surprise you guys) Denso Then recruits
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Post by monty on Dec 28, 2010 13:19:14 GMT -8
Think about shields as the 'real' tight end on the line and umolo and escobar both on the field - both with their hand on the ground, both at wings, both flexed out (hell put them on the same side and throw the ball behind them to a wr/hillman/kazee, both at tight end and shields/quigley as a h-back, etc. Quigley is a good tight end too - we have 4 big time tightends and an offensive coordinator who has always been willing to adjust to what he has. Something like this? Yea, the 'new' pro set. I like the H-back as he can seal, pass block, lead block on counters or to the play side, motion to lead on an iso, counter to the other side, catch the ball quick or on play pass, etc. also would imagine a lot of this: I've always loved the balance of this formation (deuce) and the play pass nature of it - both wide outs and the ace back are motionable, you can also flex one or both tight ends to make it more of a passing formation. 2 back is great, but if you have 2 stud tight ends and 2 other starter-type tight ends, you should utilize them. (This formation reminds me of 90s Big 12 footbal)
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Post by aztecfred on Dec 28, 2010 13:22:08 GMT -8
Thank You Don Coryell!
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Post by k5james on Dec 28, 2010 13:28:01 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm a HUGE fan of the ACE/Deuce formation and it's variants. Like you said, loads of flexibility and if you have a stable of stud TE's like we do...watch out...
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Post by aztecfan1 on Dec 28, 2010 14:14:03 GMT -8
I think we have plenty of (good) receivers for next year. I want us to go out and get a dyno myte JC receiver. A #1 guy. Then I would see.. #1 Dyno myte JC guy #2 Ruffin #3 Sandifer #4 Nicholas #5 Denso And a couple of good ones after that. I've seen #82 Jay Waddell and he is promising. 6-0, out of Hesperia. We have always re-loaded at WR and I think we will again.
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Post by Steve Aztec on Dec 28, 2010 14:15:52 GMT -8
I think we have plenty of (good) receivers for next year. I want us to go out and get a dyno myte JC receiver. A #1 guy. Then I would see.. #1 Dyno myte JC guy #2 Ruffin #3 Sandifer #4 Nicholas #5 Denso And a couple of good ones after that. I've seen #82 Jay Waddell and he is promising. 6-0, out of Hesperia. We have always re-loaded at WR and I think we will again. Yes, I have forgot the names but I talked to Hoke about this one day. He mentioned 2 true frosh (other than what I listed above) that he was very impressed with. I am sure Waddell was one of them. I can't remember the other one though.
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Post by fowl on Dec 28, 2010 15:55:57 GMT -8
Hoke is doing a good job not over-hyping the new crop of skill players. To be frank, they haven't done anything yet so there's no need to talk about them. Actually Hoke recently stated that he thought Ruffin was the best player on the team. If that's not hyping someone I don't know what it is.
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Post by fowl on Dec 28, 2010 16:00:52 GMT -8
My guess is Sandifer starts the year as the #1 but is quickly overshadowed by a more talented, more sure handed Ruffin. What makes you so sure that Ruffin is more sure-handed than Sandifer??From the practices I witnessed Ruffin had probably the worst hands of the WR group. Sandifer has 23 reasons this year alone why is is more sure-handed. Not knocking Ruffin but he needs to work a lot on his hands from what I have seen...
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Post by fowl on Dec 28, 2010 16:07:38 GMT -8
I can see us using a lot of varying formations next year to create matchup problems - which is the name of the game in high level football. Many 22 and even 32 formations motioning out as many have said above. I don't think we'll ever run an 11 or 12 formation next year - but it all depends upon how the younger wr's play.
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