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Post by aztecryan on Nov 14, 2024 15:29:45 GMT -8
But not a cult.
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Post by aztecbrothers on Nov 14, 2024 16:40:43 GMT -8
Based on Biden's smiles lately, everyone gets the feeling he voted for Trump.
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Post by aztecbrothers on Nov 14, 2024 16:58:28 GMT -8
I'm guessing its okay for non-Republicans to post in this thread based on where this is going?
The Democratic party's problem is not being aligned with the majority of the population on many issues. It was smart of the Republican Party to make value adjustments to address the major needs of the Nation. Because of this, I'm not sure the Republican Party is the same as it was in the past elections, and could be changed for ever. The Party seems to be shifting to some sort of modified/hybrid Populist/Republican Party blend with the dominance of economic, anti-war, and food supply/health agendas; with an emphasis on cleaning up Government corruption, bloat, and waste.
People will have to be patient to see if Trump's team can get things done and fill all the lofty promises. I don't see him making the same mistakes from the first term.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 14, 2024 17:10:18 GMT -8
People will have to be patient to see if Trump's team can get things done and fill all the lofty promises. I don't see him making the same mistakes from the first term. Oh, he'll make the same mistakes, but he'll also make a whole bunch of new ones, too. |
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Post by azson on Nov 14, 2024 17:12:58 GMT -8
I'm guessing its okay for non-Republicans to post in this thread based on where this is going? The Democratic party's problem is not being aligned with the majority of the population on many issues. It was smart of the Republican Party to make value adjustments to address the major needs of the Nation. Because of this, I'm not sure the Republican Party is the same as it was in the past elections, and could be changed for ever. The Party seems to be shifting to some sort of modified/hybrid Populist/Republican Party blend with the dominance of economic, anti-war, and food supply/health agendas; with an emphasis on cleaning up Government corruption, bloat, and waste. People will have to be patient to see if Trump's team can get things done and fill all the lofty promises. I don't see him making the same mistakes from the first term. Yeah, I'll be holding my breath for the convicted felon to get right on that  |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 14, 2024 17:23:14 GMT -8
You got ripped off by your grocer and his middle man. I just returned from my local grocery store and 12 large organic free range eggs were $ 6.99. Are Organic Egg prices different in Washington than California? I have no idea, recently paid $5.99 for 1 dozen blue & brown organic free range eggs. Perhaps it pays to shop. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 14, 2024 17:27:58 GMT -8
Your mom was just trolling you. That is some funny stuff. She just wanted you to spend more time with her. No, the conservative Republican radio shows she's been listening to said that and she believed them. But Elon Musk has said that his department of efficiency was going to make some brutal cuts that were going to cause pain to the American People for a while, so that certainly fits with the idea of making these cuts. Elon certainly does not show caring or empathy. He knowingly put out the self drive Teslas even though they weren't ready and were certain to cause fatalities. (It was his way of finding the bugs in the system.) Here are being "governed" by a F'n South African. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 14, 2024 17:32:37 GMT -8
I'm guessing its okay for non-Republicans to post in this thread based on where this is going? The Democratic party's problem is not being aligned with the majority of the population on many issues. It was smart of the Republican Party to make value adjustments to address the major needs of the Nation. Because of this, I'm not sure the Republican Party is the same as it was in the past elections, and could be changed for ever. The Party seems to be shifting to some sort of modified/hybrid Populist/Republican Party blend with the dominance of economic, anti-war, and food supply/health agendas; with an emphasis on cleaning up Government corruption, bloat, and waste. People will have to be patient to see if Trump's team can get things done and fill all the lofty promises. I don't see him making the same mistakes from the first term. Yeah, I'll be holding my breath for the convicted felon to get right on that Patience is a virtue, t-rump has never been virtuous! LOL. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2024 8:42:03 GMT -8
I'm guessing its okay for non-Republicans to post in this thread based on where this is going? The Democratic party's problem is not being aligned with the majority of the population on many issues. It was smart of the Republican Party to make value adjustments to address the major needs of the Nation. Because of this, I'm not sure the Republican Party is the same as it was in the past elections, and could be changed for ever. The Party seems to be shifting to some sort of modified/hybrid Populist/Republican Party blend with the dominance of economic, anti-war, and food supply/health agendas; with an emphasis on cleaning up Government corruption, bloat, and waste. People will have to be patient to see if Trump's team can get things done and fill all the lofty promises. I don't see him making the same mistakes from the first term. Yeah, I'll be holding my breath for the convicted felon to get right on that A billionaire had sex with a porn star and paid her to keep it quiet... nothing is illegal about that. The only illegal part is that he used campaign funds to do it ($130k). By the book this would be a misdemeanor but because they wanted to be able to call Trump a felon, they made it a felony. The only reason there are 34 counts is because it's just separate book entries and checks over time to make the payments I'm not defending the guy's character - I wouldn't want my kid to end up like him But I don't care which side of the isle you're on - it is absolutely ridiculous that he was being prosecuted for that |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2024 8:45:48 GMT -8
The tech companies have already been getting all they want for the last 30+ years, and the middle class has been shrinking for decades. Depending on where you look, the percentage of US households in the 70s in the middle class was about 61% compared to 50% now according to a quick google search. I'm sure it's gotten way worse than that in many areas of the country The whole reason Trump won is because people are fed up with how screwed up the government is, despite getting plenty of our taxes - and they want to give an outsider a chance to give it a full overhaul. We need the government to be like 20% the size that it is, or less. But there is zero chance the left was going to cut the government - they want it as big as possible. Right now, about 35% of our GDP is from government spending, which is terrifying. We're adding about $1 trillion to our debt every 100 days. We are pretty much already in a debt spiral, but if we don't do something about this now there will be no coming back. We don't have a tax revenue problem, we have a government spending problem. We're going to spend about 900 billion dollars this year on interest payments alone. The single most important thing the Trump admin could do is cut the government drastically, which it sounds like he's going to do. If he doesn't, I'll be the first to criticize him Do we know what denaturalization is yet? Because that's a much bigger problem than government spending. "Cutting the government" sounds wonderful in theory, but what about cutting federal civil servants and making them "at will" employees? Those individuals will lose current protections under the law and be subject to termination. I don't even care about denaturalization and all this other crap that you blabber about. I care about the economy and the financial future of our country, and apparently so do the majority of other voters |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 16, 2024 9:43:54 GMT -8
Yeah, I'll be holding my breath for the convicted felon to get right on that A billionaire had sex with a porn star and paid her to keep it quiet... nothing is illegal about that. The only illegal part is that he used campaign funds to do it ($130k). By the book this would be a misdemeanor but because they wanted to be able to call Trump a felon, they made it a felony. The only reason there are 34 counts is because it's just separate book entries and checks over time to make the payments I'm not defending the guy's character - I wouldn't want my kid to end up like him But I don't care which side of the isle you're on - it is absolutely ridiculous that he was being prosecuted for that Business fraud is prosecuted in New York all the time, which is exactly what that is. Using hush money to falsify business records is a crime. That aside, they didn't need to prosecute him there if the other, far more serious investigations weren't handed delay after delay, culminating with the Supreme Court immunizing all official acts from criminal prosecution....one of the most devastating and blatant rewrites of justice we've seen. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 16, 2024 9:52:07 GMT -8
Do we know what denaturalization is yet? Because that's a much bigger problem than government spending. "Cutting the government" sounds wonderful in theory, but what about cutting federal civil servants and making them "at will" employees? Those individuals will lose current protections under the law and be subject to termination. I don't even care about denaturalization and all this other crap that you blabber about. I care about the economy and the financial future of our country, and apparently so do the majority of other voters You care about the economy, as does everyone, yes. The "majority" does not exist, as there was no majority in this cycle. Denaturlization is the removal of LEGAL American citizens against their will. It bears repeating: Foreign-born workers, including the undocumented, make up a substantial total of the work force, close to 19%. The deportations of those individuals, combined with the reluctance of American workers to take low-paying, menial jobs will have a sizable impact on the economy. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 16, 2024 10:03:13 GMT -8
This is how little sense electing Trump makes economically: The electorate, supposedly hell-bent with concern and despair over "inflation" just elected a person whose economic policy will....raise inflation. The information silos are real and the bubbles that are produced as a result are equally real. It's likely not 49% of the voting population, but even half that number is way too high.
People voted for mass deportations. They voted for tariffs. Embracing Trump's platform out of concern for misunderstood economic principles means a lot of people will get what they deserve.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2024 10:24:18 GMT -8
I don't even care about denaturalization and all this other crap that you blabber about. I care about the economy and the financial future of our country, and apparently so do the majority of other voters You care about the economy, as does everyone, yes. The "majority" does not exist, as there was no majority in this cycle. Denaturlization is the removal of LEGAL American citizens against their will. It bears repeating: Foreign-born workers, including the undocumented, make up a substantial total of the work force, close to 19%. The deportations of those individuals, combined with the reluctance of American workers to take low-paying, menial jobs will have a sizable impact on the economy. Come back to this when you actually have examples of legal immigrants being deported |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2024 10:26:28 GMT -8
This is how little sense electing Trump makes economically: The electorate, supposedly hell-bent with concern and despair over "inflation" just elected a person whose economic policy will....raise inflation. The information silos are real and the bubbles that are produced as a result are equally real. It's likely not 49% of the voting population, but even half that number is way too high. People voted for mass deportations. They voted for tariffs. Embracing Trump's platform out of concern for misunderstood economic principles means a lot of people will get what they deserve. Based on projections? He was already president and had tariffs and there wasn't inflation. The Biden administration didn't even take off his tariffs against China I realize theoretically there is inflation associated with tariffs, but it doesn't necessarily play out that way. Plus, if you encourage companies to quit importing things from other countries and manufacture their products here, that's good for the American worker even if there is some inflation. That is WAY better than inflation from printing a bunch of money for stupid reasons out of thin air |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 16, 2024 10:30:29 GMT -8
You care about the economy, as does everyone, yes. The "majority" does not exist, as there was no majority in this cycle. Denaturlization is the removal of LEGAL American citizens against their will. It bears repeating: Foreign-born workers, including the undocumented, make up a substantial total of the work force, close to 19%. The deportations of those individuals, combined with the reluctance of American workers to take low-paying, menial jobs will have a sizable impact on the economy. Come back to this when you actually have examples of legal immigrants being deported Certainly. If you truly believe that widespread deportations are going to result in only undocumented immigrants being deported, I don't know what to tell you. Just look at the entities in charge of the operation. I'm simply choosing to believe an immigration hardliner when they say they are going to undertake a campaign of denaturalization. We're in 2024, "It can't happen here" is a farce. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 16, 2024 10:39:43 GMT -8
This is how little sense electing Trump makes economically: The electorate, supposedly hell-bent with concern and despair over "inflation" just elected a person whose economic policy will....raise inflation. The information silos are real and the bubbles that are produced as a result are equally real. It's likely not 49% of the voting population, but even half that number is way too high. People voted for mass deportations. They voted for tariffs. Embracing Trump's platform out of concern for misunderstood economic principles means a lot of people will get what they deserve. Based on projections? He was already president and had tariffs and there wasn't inflation. The Biden administration didn't even take off his tariffs against China I realize theoretically there is inflation associated with tariffs, but it doesn't necessarily play out that way. Plus, if you encourage companies to quit importing things from other countries and manufacture their products here, that's good for the American worker even if there is some inflation. That is WAY better than inflation from printing a bunch of money for stupid reasons out of thin air Based on common sense and virtually every economic projection, even those coming from Trump's old business school. Those price hikes will get passed to consumers. "There wasn't inflation in 2016" isn't a great argument, the world is in a much different place now than it was pre-pandemic. taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/tariffs/Companies aren't going to stop importing, they will just pass the burden to the buyer. You're not "encouraging" anything except less consumer confidence as they see increases in taxes. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2024 10:54:34 GMT -8
Based on projections? He was already president and had tariffs and there wasn't inflation. The Biden administration didn't even take off his tariffs against China I realize theoretically there is inflation associated with tariffs, but it doesn't necessarily play out that way. Plus, if you encourage companies to quit importing things from other countries and manufacture their products here, that's good for the American worker even if there is some inflation. That is WAY better than inflation from printing a bunch of money for stupid reasons out of thin air Based on common sense and virtually every economic projection, even those coming from Trump's old business school. Those price hikes will get passed to consumers. "There wasn't inflation in 2016" isn't a great argument, the world is in a much different place now than it was pre-pandemic. taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/tariffs/Companies aren't going to stop importing, they will just pass the burden to the buyer. You're not "encouraging" anything except less consumer confidence as they see increases in taxes. We'll see. Will you admit you were wrong if there isn't any real inflation? Companies can't necessarily just pass everything to consumers. They need to still have competitive prices, thats the beauty of competition |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2024 11:14:24 GMT -8
Come back to this when you actually have examples of legal immigrants being deported Certainly. If you truly believe that widespread deportations are going to result in only undocumented immigrants being deported, I don't know what to tell you. Just look at the entities in charge of the operation. I'm simply choosing to believe an immigration hardliner when they say they are going to undertake a campaign of denaturalization. We're in 2024, "It can't happen here" is a farce. We'll find out, but again this is a very low issue on the totem pole for me I care about the economy, my ability to earn a good living, our country being financially solvent moving forward, and my kids having a bright future & not being sexualized in school I care much more about the poor people who are tax paying American citizens in our country than I do about illegal/legal immigrants |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 16, 2024 11:34:21 GMT -8
We got, and will get, everything we bargained for. The industrialists (tech companies) will get everything they want, while the middle class loses all of their gains post WW II. It’s an easy formula to follow: tax cuts for the Musks and a loss of benefits and entitlements for the working class. Thank you, working class for giving T the mandate to be your proctologist-in-chief, as he shafts you and your family. You reap what you sow and you have turned your oats into chaff. The tech companies have already been getting all they want for the last 30+ years, and the middle class has been shrinking for decades. Depending on where you look, the percentage of US households in the 70s in the middle class was about 61% compared to 50% now according to a quick google search. I'm sure it's gotten way worse than that in many areas of the country The whole reason Trump won is because people are fed up with how screwed up the government is, despite getting plenty of our taxes - and they want to give an outsider a chance to give it a full overhaul. We need the government to be like 20% the size that it is, or less. But there is zero chance the left was going to cut the government - they want it as big as possible. Right now, about 35% of our GDP is from government spending, which is terrifying. We're adding about $1 trillion to our debt every 100 days. We are pretty much already in a debt spiral, but if we don't do something about this now there will be no coming back. We don't have a tax revenue problem, we have a government spending problem. We're going to spend about 900 billion dollars this year on interest payments alone. The single most important thing the Trump admin could do is cut the government drastically, which it sounds like he's going to do. If he doesn't, I'll be the first to criticize him . So much of our spending is 'mandatory' spending (61%): Mandatory: - Healthcare 24% - Social Security 21% - Other Mandatory Programs 16% Non-Mandatory: - Non-Defense Discretionary 14% - Defense Discretionary 12% - Net Interest 13% www.cbpp.org/charts/components-of-federal-spending-components-of-federal-tax-revenueThe issue is that we need a higher top marginal income tax rate for the wealthiest people in the country. Historically this top bracket rate has been in the 60% and 70% range in World War I, and as high as 94% in World War II. From 1945 to 1963, this rate was 91%, 1965-81 70%, 1982-1986 50%, and after that it has bounced around between 31% and 39.6% Right now we are at 37%. If you raised that number back up to the 70% number from 1965-1981, the budget deficit would be solved right there! Using the 2024 tax bracket as a guide, the 70% rate would be on income $609,350+ single filer, $731,200+ married filed jointly. Which quite frankly is an insanely high threshold - we could go with higher percentages too for the $243,725 – $609,350 bracket (single filer) that is currently at a 35% rate - maybe make that 50%. www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/whole-ball-of-tax-historical-income-tax-ratesI'm not in favor of taxing the lower or middle class more, if anything we need to raise the minimum income tax threshold for single adults before they get hit with taxes. Right now it's at $11,600 - I would move it to $20,000. The bottom line is that the wealthy have been f****** everyone else since the 80's, when the top bracket rate went from 70% to 50%. The reason why is because the Democratic senators are all wealthy, just like the Republican ones, and the progressivism in the Democratic party stemming from the Great Depression has been extinguished. Now the Democratic party presidential nominee is controlled through the superdelegate system. The Republicans are lead by a billionaire, and there is zero chance that they will raise the top earner rate. The Dems have successfully suppressed (thus far) the Bernie Sanders/Andrew Yang populist movement in the party, but that is where the change has to come from. You can't shrink the current government's size with 61% being required spending, then there is military spending, and interest spending... other discretionary spending isn't even that high at only 14%!! Time for the billionaires and millionaires to start paying their fair share.I would add that you need a wealth tax on billionaires as well, 1% or 2%. It would force billionaires to sell some of their stock to pay it, which would also increase the supply of stock in these companies on the stock market, allowing more everyday people to buy stocks. Or you could just pay the gov't the wealth tax in equivalent stock value (for publicly traded companies only). |
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