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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 18:25:07 GMT -8
Character.
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 11, 2024 18:26:54 GMT -8
Well, when you out right say it, then it's not difficult to call that out. There's many ways to get to know someone, especially when they flat out say that you're a racist. I don't think you really grasp what's being said, personally. He's right when he said that white individuals voted for Trump, both genders carried him north of 50%. White male voters voted from Trump because all Kamala Harris did was complain about identity politics left and right without relating to white men. Let me spell it out: Kamala tried to get female votes with abortion rights, LGBTQ+ votes with LGBTQ+ rights, and young College Educated votes with Student Debt Loan Forgiveness. What did Kamala Harris do to get young, white, male voters without a college degree? Absolutely nothing. To further insult that demographic, she refused to go on podcasts like Joe Rogan, where young men are. She refused to speak up about climate change, an issue that actually does resonate with all young voters, including white men. She ran a flawed campaign and lost because of it. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 18:32:19 GMT -8
Well, when you out right say it, then it's not difficult to call that out. There's many ways to get to know someone, especially when they flat out say that you're a racist. I don't think you really grasp what's being said, personally. He's right when he said that white individuals voted for Trump, both genders carried him north of 50%. Do you think that's all Bnastyaztecs said about that? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 18:33:18 GMT -8
I don't think you really grasp what's being said, personally. He's right when he said that white individuals voted for Trump, both genders carried him north of 50%. White male voters voted from Trump because all Kamala Harris did was complain about identity politics left and right without relating to white men. Let me spell it out: Kamala tried to get female votes with abortion rights, LGBTQ+ votes with LGBTQ+ rights, and young College Educated votes with Student Debt Loan Forgiveness. What did Kamala Harris do to get young, white, male voters without a college degree? Absolutely nothing. To further insult that demographic, she refused to go on podcasts like Joe Rogan, where young men are. She refused to speak up about climate change, an issue that actually does resonate with all young voters, including white men. She ran a flawed campaign and lost because of it. Can you please stop just blatantly throwing false information out there? Rogan wanted an in-studio interview, Harris wanted to do an hour long segment outside the studio. She wasn't too "big" and didn't "pass." She lost for plenty of fundamental reasons, none of which involve Joe Rogan. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 18:35:20 GMT -8
I don't think you really grasp what's being said, personally. He's right when he said that white individuals voted for Trump, both genders carried him north of 50%. Do you think that's all Bnastyaztecs said about that? Not going to go dig it up, just clarifying that what he said was factually accurate - Outside of the acceleration of the Black vote for Trump. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 18:40:54 GMT -8
I have a lot more evidence by the actual words used here, yeah, for more than months, than some Joe blow who voted for Trump. Your idea of evidence is steeped in judgment, which is my entire point. You can't preach tolerance and then spit in the other direction. If your stance is that people should get a pass because they voted for Trump and didn't know who he was, that's laughable. I'm not choosing between someone being stupid or someone endorsing racism. You're missing my entire point. It's not judgment on my part when they've said it outright themselves. They owned it. If someone on here outright calls you a racist, then there's the plenty of evidence. There's no spitting. I have tolerance for people that haven't actually exhibited racist tendencies outright like some on here. To paint a broad brush saying that all white men are evil, and are you to blame, is racist. There's more than that that I've read on here. Question. Are you saying that anybody that voted for Trump is a racist? |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 11, 2024 18:41:28 GMT -8
White male voters voted from Trump because all Kamala Harris did was complain about identity politics left and right without relating to white men. Let me spell it out: Kamala tried to get female votes with abortion rights, LGBTQ+ votes with LGBTQ+ rights, and young College Educated votes with Student Debt Loan Forgiveness. What did Kamala Harris do to get young, white, male voters without a college degree? Absolutely nothing. To further insult that demographic, she refused to go on podcasts like Joe Rogan, where young men are. She refused to speak up about climate change, an issue that actually does resonate with all young voters, including white men. She ran a flawed campaign and lost because of it. Can you please stop just blatantly throwing false information out there? Rogan wanted an in-studio interview, Harris wanted to do an hour long segment outside the studio. She wasn't too "big" and didn't "pass." She lost for plenty of fundamental reasons, none of which involve Joe Rogan. 1. She was 'too big' to do an in-studio interview - it was too big for her ego. Trump did an in-studio interview. 2. You're quibbling over details (Joe Rogan/no Joe Rogan) that aren't super important individually, but rather are representative of the campaign she ran as a whole. After all, I don't seem to recall her going on any other big podcasts, no? She ignored that media segment, much to her peril. I'll re-state what I said: What did Kamala Harris do to get young, white, male voters without a college degree? Absolutely nothing. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 11, 2024 18:44:45 GMT -8
Just because someone voted for Trump, does not make them a racist. Voting for someone with character issues does not make you a racist, even if the person you voted for, is a racist. People vote for who they want to run the country. Please separate candidates personal character issues from the manner in which they run the country. They are two different things. No, they really aren't. What drives decisions? Character. What would cause someone to take classified material and not return it? Character. What would cause someone to threaten a member of their administration with potential execution? Character. That's a silly assertion. Character isn't the only factor in picking who you are going to vote for. In fact, I would argue that proposed public policies is the number one trait, followed by aptitude as the number two trait, with character as the number three trait. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 18:46:11 GMT -8
Your idea of evidence is steeped in judgment, which is my entire point. You can't preach tolerance and then spit in the other direction. If your stance is that people should get a pass because they voted for Trump and didn't know who he was, that's laughable. I'm not choosing between someone being stupid or someone endorsing racism. You're missing my entire point. It's not judgment on my part when they've said it outright themselves. They owned it. If someone on here outright calls you a racist, then there's the plenty of evidence. There's no spitting. I have tolerance for people that haven't actually exhibited racist tendencies outright like some on here. To paint a broad brush saying that all white men are evil, and are you to blame, is racist. There's more than that that I've read on here. Question. Are you saying that anybody that voted for Trump is a racist? I'm saying that if you consciously vote for someone who leaves zero moral ambiguity, then there's a need to reconcile with that reality. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 18:47:20 GMT -8
Can you please stop just blatantly throwing false information out there? Rogan wanted an in-studio interview, Harris wanted to do an hour long segment outside the studio. She wasn't too "big" and didn't "pass." She lost for plenty of fundamental reasons, none of which involve Joe Rogan. 1. She was 'too big' to do an in-studio interview - it was too big for her ego. Trump did an in-studio interview. 2. You're quibbling over details (Joe Rogan/no Joe Rogan) that aren't super important individually, but rather are representative of the campaign she ran as a whole. After all, I don't seem to recall her going on any other big podcasts, no? She ignored that media segment, much to her peril. I'll re-state what I said: What did Kamala Harris do to get young, white, male voters without a college degree? Absolutely nothing. Kamala thought all the insults and bashing of Trump were going to sway enough voters. She did horrible with Latinos, and these are Latinos who know that Trump is going to enforce immigration. That's how bad Harris failed with them. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 18:49:44 GMT -8
No, they really aren't. What drives decisions? Character. What would cause someone to take classified material and not return it? Character. What would cause someone to threaten a member of their administration with potential execution? Character. That's a silly assertion. Character isn't the only factor in picking who you are going to vote for. In fact, I would argue that proposed public policies is the number one trait, followed by aptitude as the number two trait, with character as the number three trait. Your post is reality. People will put that secondary when they feel there's a candidate that can fix things even though they don't necessarily agree with everything he does, or says. They were that desperate for a change. The same thing when he won in 2016, people wanted a change. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 18:50:51 GMT -8
You're missing my entire point. It's not judgment on my part when they've said it outright themselves. They owned it. If someone on here outright calls you a racist, then there's the plenty of evidence. There's no spitting. I have tolerance for people that haven't actually exhibited racist tendencies outright like some on here. To paint a broad brush saying that all white men are evil, and are you to blame, is racist. There's more than that that I've read on here. Question. Are you saying that anybody that voted for Trump is a racist? I'm saying that if you consciously vote for someone who leaves zero moral ambiguity, then there's a need to reconcile with that reality. Ok. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 18:52:13 GMT -8
Can you please stop just blatantly throwing false information out there? Rogan wanted an in-studio interview, Harris wanted to do an hour long segment outside the studio. She wasn't too "big" and didn't "pass." She lost for plenty of fundamental reasons, none of which involve Joe Rogan. 1. She was 'too big' to do an in-studio interview - it was too big for her ego. Trump did an in-studio interview. 2. You're quibbling over details (Joe Rogan/no Joe Rogan) that aren't super important individually, but rather are representative of the campaign she ran as a whole. After all, I don't seem to recall her going on any other big podcasts, no? She ignored that media segment, much to her peril. I'll re-state what I said: What did Kamala Harris do to get young, white, male voters without a college degree? Absolutely nothing. You have it on the record that it was her ego? Or are you just jaded because of her Middle East views and your disdain for supporting Israel? I'm not quibbling over anything, you brought it up. You're fundamentally ignoring worldwide factors that we can't possibly quantify with certainty less than a week postmortem. There's just no way. Trump ran on a campaign of mass deportations and chaotic economic policy. He didn't have field offices in many of the states he was campaigning in. He misled his base constantly. The only thing practically done well was he didn't open his mouth 24/7 on social media. The fact is that a lot of the electorate doesn't understand what's going to take place in January, we have post-pandemic frustration and foggy memories of how the first term ended. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 18:54:40 GMT -8
I'm saying that if you consciously vote for someone who leaves zero moral ambiguity, then there's a need to reconcile with that reality. Ok. And claiming "I didn't know who he was" isn't an option. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 19:04:43 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 11, 2024 19:08:02 GMT -8
1. She was 'too big' to do an in-studio interview - it was too big for her ego. Trump did an in-studio interview. 2. You're quibbling over details (Joe Rogan/no Joe Rogan) that aren't super important individually, but rather are representative of the campaign she ran as a whole. After all, I don't seem to recall her going on any other big podcasts, no? She ignored that media segment, much to her peril. I'll re-state what I said: What did Kamala Harris do to get young, white, male voters without a college degree? Absolutely nothing.
- No, she didn't go onto that alternate form of media. That's the point. That's where her young votes were that she lost. You're so focused on global trends, that you aren't realizing that Harris ran an outdated campaign. Trump ran on a campaign of mass deportations and chaotic economic policy.- Tax cuts and mass deportations, yep that is what appealed to young, white men. The only thing practically done well was he didn't open his mouth 24/7 on social media.- No, but he opened his big mouth on a lot of podcasts, which Kamala didn't do. It seems like it significantly helped him. The fact is that a lot of the electorate doesn't understand what's going to take place in January, we have post-pandemic frustration and foggy memories of how the first term ended.- Nobody knows what's going to happen in January. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 19:12:26 GMT -8
I'm not quibbling over anything, you brought it up. You're fundamentally ignoring worldwide factors that we can't possibly quantify with certainty less than a week postmortem. There's just no way. - No, she didn't go onto that alternate form of media. That's the point. That's where her young votes were that she lost. You're so focused on global trends, that you aren't realizing that Harris ran an outdated campaign. Trump ran on a campaign of mass deportations and chaotic economic policy. - Tax cuts and mass deportations, yep that is what appealed to young, white men. The only thing practically done well was he didn't open his mouth 24/7 on social media. - No, but he opened his big mouth on a lot of podcasts, which Kamala didn't do. It seems like it significantly helped him. The fact is that a lot of the electorate doesn't understand what's going to take place in January, we have post-pandemic frustration and foggy memories of how the first term ended. - Nobody knows what's going to happen in January. You're guessing on information we don't have. I'm not. All you've done is tell me what I already know - We have an information divide among different demographics and how media is consumed. And yes, I kinda know what is going to happen in January, the pieces are falling in place with the confirmations of who is being tapped. It's not hard to paint a picture when you have most of the canvas already done. Rubio, Miller and Homan are nightmarish apointees. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 19:16:30 GMT -8
And claiming "I didn't know who he was" isn't an option. What you're not understanding, or don't want to understand, is that many Americans felt that the Country was in such disarray, they decided to vote for someone they wish they didn't have to. They felt that Harris was going to just be an extension of Biden, and they didn't want that. Heck, she said that she was going to be just that, herself, which was idiotic. "I wouldn't have changed a thing" is basically what she said. She was toast after that, and most likely before that, but if there was any doubt, that sealed it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 19:21:28 GMT -8
And claiming "I didn't know who he was" isn't an option. What you're not understanding, or don't want to understand, is that many Americans felt that the Country was in such disarray, they decided to vote for someone they wish they didn't have to. They felt that Harris was going to just be an extension of Biden, and they didn't want that. Heck, she said that she was going to be just that, herself, which was idiotic. "I wouldn't have changed a thing" is basically what she said. She was toast after that, and most likely before that, but if there was any doubt, that sealed it. A) Where's the proof? I've read plenty of anecdotal evidence. You're just telling me the voters can't prioritize what's important and can't differentiate reality (like the current economy) from fiction (the pandemic, recessed economy that's been over for a year and a half.) B) That's your opinion, yet again. Source something that shows that had an actual impact on voter turnout or emotion. And I'm talking widespread, not isolated cases. The average voter, as I've said repeatedly...is not bright. They read what they read, they consume what they consume and they shut off. An extension of Biden? Stability, economic recovery, no indictments, no foreign scandals? Illusions don't match reality. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 11, 2024 19:21:40 GMT -8
I happen to vote based on policies and the economy... and apparently a lot of other people do as well. I don't like my tax dollars being wasted on who knows what - illegals (who don't pay taxes), Ukraine, shutting businesses down but then printing money to give to them, etc. There was also another 4.5 trillion in covid aftermath spending that the dems wanted to pass - thank GOD that didn't happen. It would've happened if they got just 2 more votes from dem senators, but they voted it down and then had to walk the plank for their party.
I dont really give a damn what random misquotes you have of someone saying things you choose to be offended by
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