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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 11, 2024 15:49:46 GMT -8
Are you actually saying that no one on the far left, or left, insults people based on who they chose in the election, and without actually knowing who they are? That's an action. It's an active choice. Bring black, Hispanic, gay, trans, etc, is not a choice. Insulting and demeaning people based on that is cruel and hateful. Criticizing someone for their actions is fair. People choose their actions. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 16:34:54 GMT -8
Are you actually saying that no one on the far left, or left, insults people based on who they chose in the election, and without actually knowing who they are? That's an action. And, judging them in that way is not good with out personally knowing the individual. That's what I'm saying. You you call some one s racist just because of who they voted for, that's just wrong. That person may just simply be uninformed, or they may not agree with everything the person who they voted for believes in, but will still be the best candidate. You should never judge somebody until you know them. We all do that at times, but it's wrong. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 16:37:39 GMT -8
It's an active choice. Bring black, Hispanic, gay, trans, etc, is not a choice. Insulting and demeaning people based on that is cruel and hateful. Criticizing someone for their actions is fair. People choose their actions. Si, you believe that just because someone voted for Trump, they're automatically a racist without knowing them personally? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 16:40:52 GMT -8
And, judging them in that way is not good with out personally knowing the individual. That's what I'm saying. You you call some one s racist just because of who they voted for, that's just wrong. That person may just simply be uninformed, or they may not agree with everything the person who they voted for believes in, but will still be the best candidate. You should never judge somebody until you know them. We all do that at times, but it's wrong. I don't need to know someone intimately, show me what you do and I'll show you what you are. Pretty simple stuff. If you vote for an openly racist candidate and gloat about it, I'm going to believe you. You own that as an individual. Ignorance isn't an excuse, we live in 2024. This is the second time or third time you've had this line of thinking, it's as silly now as it was then. As I said before, if you endorse hate, you get to own all of it, not just some of it. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 11, 2024 16:55:59 GMT -8
It's an active choice. Bring black, Hispanic, gay, trans, etc, is not a choice. Insulting and demeaning people based on that is cruel and hateful. Criticizing someone for their actions is fair. People choose their actions. Si, you believe that just because someone voted for Trump, they're automatically a racist without knowing them personally? They know how bad Trump is. If Trump's racism and sexism doesn't bother them enough to not vote for him then that speaks volumes about their character. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 16:58:42 GMT -8
Imagine saying "Well, I didn't know how bad Trump was when I voted for him" when he's been indicted in four different locations, found civilly liable for raping a woman and has a 50 year history of racist, derogatory behavior.
Living under a rock?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 11, 2024 17:05:52 GMT -8
Si, you believe that just because someone voted for Trump, they're automatically a racist without knowing them personally? They know how bad Trump is. If Trump's racism and sexism doesn't bother them enough to not vote for him then that speaks volumes about their character. What character?? |
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 11, 2024 17:16:04 GMT -8
Watch The View, CNN, MSNBC, vile hate, is that okay? Read Vox, Salon, vile hate is that okay? Then read Obama's book. Sure Trump goes off the rails at times, but your side also needs to clean up the vile, mean spirited, and cruel stuff. Then there's the former darling of the left, Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro with his mean spirited stuff, rabble-rousing violence!!!
“They bring a knife… we bring a gun” – Obama “I want you to argue with them and get in their face” – Obama “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry. I’m angry” – Obama “ Hit back twice as hard” – Obama “We talk to these folks, so I know whose ass to kick” – Obama “Republican victory would mean hand to hand combat” – Obama ” Punish your enemies” – Obama “I’m itching for s fight” – Obama So, you want to know why people don't reply, you only see one side of the coin. After Tuesday's ass kicking, that's tails.
You're quoting generic POLITICAL rally type comments and equating them with true hatred and cruelty. Telling black people that they're going to be slaves again and to report to plantations? Come on, that's beyond the pale. Mocking transgender people, making their lives hell? Mocking gays just for being gay? That's PERSONAL, not political. You need a mighty big shoe horn to make that statement fit. Personal about who?
I'll take that as a warning. It's your board, you're thread. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 11, 2024 17:39:24 GMT -8
Are you serious? The left is the only side who even cares what someone looks like and plays identity politics. The right doesn't even mention race for the most part The left hates white people, and men Race/Gender/etc shouldn't even matter Wow, you described Bnastyztecs to a T in most of your post, unfortunately. idk what that means |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 17:44:08 GMT -8
And, judging them in that way is not good with out personally knowing the individual. That's what I'm saying. You you call some one s racist just because of who they voted for, that's just wrong. That person may just simply be uninformed, or they may not agree with everything the person who they voted for believes in, but will still be the best candidate. You should never judge somebody until you know them. We all do that at times, but it's wrong. I don't need to know someone intimately, show me what you do and I'll show you what you are. Pretty simple stuff. If you vote for an openly racist candidate and gloat about it, I'm going to believe you. You own that as an individual. Ignorance isn't an excuse, we live in 2024. This is the second time or third time you've had this line of thinking, it's as silly now as it was then. As I said before, if you endorse hate, you get to own all of it, not just some of it. That can go ahead and be your criteria. You're free to do so. I don't live my life that way. I try not to ever judge somebody unless I really know them. That's what's simple to me, although I miss the mark on that at times myself, unfortunately. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 17:46:49 GMT -8
I don't need to know someone intimately, show me what you do and I'll show you what you are. Pretty simple stuff. If you vote for an openly racist candidate and gloat about it, I'm going to believe you. You own that as an individual. Ignorance isn't an excuse, we live in 2024. This is the second time or third time you've had this line of thinking, it's as silly now as it was then. As I said before, if you endorse hate, you get to own all of it, not just some of it. That can go ahead and be your criteria. You're free to do so. I don't live my life that way. I try not to ever judge somebody unless I really know them. That's what's simple to me, although I miss the mark on that at times myself, unfortunately. You've cast judgment on people on this site for months....and you don't know them, right? How many times have you said verbatim "You need to work on yourself" or anything of that nature? Dozens? More? That's judgment. So, yeah, that misses the mark. Ignorance isn't an excuse. It's a choice not to be informed. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 17:47:19 GMT -8
Wow, you described Bnastyztecs to a T in most of your post, unfortunately. idk what that means Pretty much everything you described in your post fits a poster on here. He accuses the white man for everything, and let's you know you're a racist and most white people are racist. So, I'm saying that there's an individual on this very site and political forum that your post describes perfectly. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 17:47:40 GMT -8
Even so, the far left doesn't attack based on things beyond personal control (ethnicity/race, gender, sexual orientation, etc). They attack based on the words and actions of those individuals, unlike the MAGA wing who attacks primarily on identity issues. Much more personal and cruel. You've got at least one person right here on this site that fits that criteria to a T. Bnastyaztecs. This tells me you must overlook what he says, because all he talks about is race, and how it's the white man's fault. That's very naive of you too think that nobody on the far left attacks people in the categories you described. Actually, it's laughable. Of course the far right and the far left have lunatics and they both play victim. It's everywhere. This is judgment, from someone you don't know. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 17:49:03 GMT -8
That can go ahead and be your criteria. You're free to do so. I don't live my life that way. I try not to ever judge somebody unless I really know them. That's what's simple to me, although I miss the mark on that at times myself, unfortunately. You've cast judgment on people on this site for months....and you don't know them, right? How many times have you said verbatim "You need to work on yourself" or anything of that nature? Dozens? More? That's judgment. So, yeah, that misses the mark. Ignorance isn't an excuse. It's a choice not to be informed. I have a lot more evidence by the actual words used here, yeah, for more than months, than some Joe blow who voted for Trump. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 11, 2024 17:50:04 GMT -8
You've got at least one person right here on this site that fits that criteria to a T. Bnastyaztecs. This tells me you must overlook what he says, because all he talks about is race, and how it's the white man's fault. That's very naive of you too think that nobody on the far left attacks people in the categories you described. Actually, it's laughable. Of course the far right and the far left have lunatics and they both play victim. It's everywhere. This is judgment, from someone you don't know. Well, when you out right say it, then it's not difficult to call that out. There's many ways to get to know someone, especially when they flat out say that you're a racist. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 17:53:30 GMT -8
You've cast judgment on people on this site for months....and you don't know them, right? How many times have you said verbatim "You need to work on yourself" or anything of that nature? Dozens? More? That's judgment. So, yeah, that misses the mark. Ignorance isn't an excuse. It's a choice not to be informed. I have a lot more evidence by the actual words used here, yeah, for more than months, than some Joe blow who voted for Trump. Your idea of evidence is steeped in judgment, which is my entire point. You can't preach tolerance and then spit in the other direction. If your stance is that people should get a pass because they voted for Trump and didn't know who he was, that's laughable. I'm not choosing between someone being stupid or someone endorsing racism. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 17:56:46 GMT -8
This is judgment, from someone you don't know. Well, when you out right say it, then it's not difficult to call that out. There's many ways to get to know someone, especially when they flat out say that you're a racist. I don't think you really grasp what's being said, personally. He's right when he said that white individuals voted for Trump, both genders carried him north of 50%. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 11, 2024 18:17:46 GMT -8
Not remotely close. The Right cruelly insults based on identity. The Left insults/attacks based on actions and words. So, some on the far left never say that if you're a Trump supporter, you're a racist without actually knowing you? It happens right here on this site, on this political forum. That's insulting on identity. Yeah I agree, it's 100% uncalled for. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 11, 2024 18:20:50 GMT -8
I have a lot more evidence by the actual words used here, yeah, for more than months, than some Joe blow who voted for Trump. Your idea of evidence is steeped in judgment, which is my entire point. You can't preach tolerance and then spit in the other direction. If your stance is that people should get a pass because they voted for Trump and didn't know who he was, that's laughable. I'm not choosing between someone being stupid or someone endorsing racism. Just because someone voted for Trump, does not make them a racist. Voting for someone with character issues does not make you a racist, even if the person you voted for, is a racist. People vote for who they want to run the country. Please separate candidates personal character issues from the manner in which they run the country. They are two different things. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 11, 2024 18:24:10 GMT -8
Your idea of evidence is steeped in judgment, which is my entire point. You can't preach tolerance and then spit in the other direction. If your stance is that people should get a pass because they voted for Trump and didn't know who he was, that's laughable. I'm not choosing between someone being stupid or someone endorsing racism. Just because someone voted for Trump, does not make them a racist. Voting for someone with character issues does not make you a racist, even if the person you voted for, is a racist. People vote for who they want to run the country. Please separate candidates personal character issues from the manner in which they run the country. They are two different things. No, they really aren't. What drives decisions? Character. What would cause someone to take classified material and not return it? Character. What would cause someone to threaten a member of their administration with potential execution? Character. That's a silly assertion. |
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