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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 27, 2024 11:05:16 GMT -8
The main point I have been making is our state taxes our gasoline like crazy. Arizona is usually 65-80 cents cheaper. Next time you drive through Needles compare their prices with Lake Havasu City, Laughlin or Kingman….or even compare the actual cities. Needles is a depressed ghost town, while Havasu is prosperous. Why is that? Taxes. The day California became “blue” was the harbinger of economic blight. And yet if California were a country, it would be the 5th largest economy in the world and more productive than India and the United Kingdom. We're not exactly faltering. California is prospering. California is living off its “golden era” from the 60’s 70’s & 80’s and still has its entrenched industries in place. Hollywood probably isn’t going anywhere, Silicon Valley companies are still hanging around and there is a large number of military bases which provide employment. The basic problem is, the state has become completely unaffordable for many of its residents. www.usatoday.com/money/homefront/moving/most-affordable-states/California also has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation. lhc.ca.gov/addressing-californias-highest-in-the-nation-unemployment-rate/#:~:text=In%2520November%25202021%E2%80%94the%2520most,to%2520a%2520range%2520of%2520factors. California’s crime, homelessness and inflation are also among the highest in the nation. www.usnews.com/news/best-states/californiaThe one party rule in California has taken it’s toll, no opposition and too much corruption. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 27, 2024 11:29:30 GMT -8
And yet if California were a country, it would be the 5th largest economy in the world and more productive than India and the United Kingdom. We're not exactly faltering. California is prospering. And the national economy always performs better under Democrats than Republicans... Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden’s records say otherwise. As for California, people are leaving due to the state’s economic picture. Those who can’t leave, eventually become homeless. www.wbur.org/onpoint/2021/02/11/whats-driving-californias-exodus |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 27, 2024 12:31:28 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 27, 2024 12:47:23 GMT -8
And the national economy always performs better under Democrats than Republicans... Jimmy Carter and Joe Biden’s records say otherwise. As for California, people are leaving due to the state’s economic picture. Those who can’t leave, eventually become homeless. www.wbur.org/onpoint/2021/02/11/whats-driving-californias-exodusYou've got a fair point about Carter, but not Biden. Biden inherited a debacle. The economy was in shambles when he came into office, and you know it. The economy grew more under Clinton and Obama than it did under both Bushes and Trump. The budget deficits were lower under Clinton and Obama than under the Bushes and Trump. The facts are not on your side. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 27, 2024 13:08:37 GMT -8
You've got a fair point about Carter, but not Biden. Biden inherited a debacle. The economy was in shambles when he came into office, and you know it. The economy grew more under Clinton and Obama than it did under both Bushes and Trump. The budget deficits were lower under Clinton and Obama than under the Bushes and Trump. The facts are not on your side. To be fair, was the economy in disarray because of COVID? |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 27, 2024 13:15:51 GMT -8
You've got a fair point about Carter, but not Biden. Biden inherited a debacle. The economy was in shambles when he came into office, and you know it. The economy grew more under Clinton and Obama than it did under both Bushes and Trump. The budget deficits were lower under Clinton and Obama than under the Bushes and Trump. The facts are not on your side. To be fair, was the economy in disarray because of COVID? To be fair, the pandemic was handled extremely poorly due to the policies set by the administration. The result was a disaster due to the lack of leadership and choices that were made. How it was handled led to the end result. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 31, 2024 14:53:29 GMT -8
We drove from Kenmore, WA where Mobil gasoline was $4.19/gallon to Pasco, WA where the gasoline price is $3.59/ gallon. Lowest price I saw was $3.39/ gallon cash only.
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 31, 2024 18:55:28 GMT -8
CA's economy is not the issue - the affordability of living in the state is the issue. Housing regulations are ridiculous, it's way to hard to build housing here, especially at density. The homeless issue is partly due to a lack of affordable housing, and partly due to the fact that homeless people from other states come here for it's mild weather - CA is the best place to live if you are homeless. The reason why there is one party rule in CA is because the Republican party has refused to shift more to the left on a state level in order to win state legislature seats. I have found some pieces of Republican platforms for Governor interesting, but I never have seen anything that would be remotely competitive for moderate Democratic votes. Moderate Democrats are pretty much the 'middle' voter in CA politics. I've also never seen a Republican push super hard for housing reform (making it easier to build). So the one-party rule is as much on the candidates that the Republicans are putting forward as on anything else. Democrats don't want to vote for someone that is going to reverse a bunch of progressive legislation either, so any Republican candidate needs to run as a centrist (like the Governator). |
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Post by azson on Nov 1, 2024 9:58:29 GMT -8
If only the Republicans had something to offer besides lies and fear-mongering. |
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Post by azson on Nov 1, 2024 10:10:35 GMT -8
CA's economy is not the issue - the affordability of living in the state is the issue.
Housing regulations are ridiculous, it's way to hard to build housing here, especially at density.
The homeless issue is partly due to a lack of affordable housing, and partly due to the fact that homeless people from other states come here for it's mild weather - CA is the best place to live if you are homeless. The reason why there is one party rule in CA is because the Republican party has refused to shift more to the left on a state level in order to win state legislature seats. I have found some pieces of Republican platforms for Governor interesting, but I never have seen anything that would be remotely competitive for moderate Democratic votes. Moderate Democrats are pretty much the 'middle' voter in CA politics. I've also never seen a Republican push super hard for housing reform (making it easier to build). So the one-party rule is as much on the candidates that the Republicans are putting forward as on anything else. Democrats don't want to vote for someone that is going to reverse a bunch of progressive legislation either, so any Republican candidate needs to run as a centrist (like the Governator). Spot on, and it's a bi-partisan issue. Elo-Rivera campaigned in our College West SFH neighborhood before he was first elected and promised us an open-door policy if we had any questions and/or concerns. A year ago a 9-ADU developer snuck in through the new ADU Bonus Program with zero notice or input from our neighborhood and they're building a monstrosity across the street from my house. Radio silence from both Rivera and Gloria's offices. At the ADU community hearing earlier this year Gloria and the counsel's response was, "we have to solve the homeless crisis somehow," which is a total joke as the ADUs that are being built will not be affordable (e.g. it's obvious the developer across the street is going to make a killing renting to SDSU students). I just voted against Rivera. When it comes to $$$ (i.e. backroom deals between politicians and developers) blue or red makes no difference. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 1, 2024 19:19:09 GMT -8
CA's economy is not the issue - the affordability of living in the state is the issue.
Housing regulations are ridiculous, it's way to hard to build housing here, especially at density.
The homeless issue is partly due to a lack of affordable housing, and partly due to the fact that homeless people from other states come here for it's mild weather - CA is the best place to live if you are homeless. The reason why there is one party rule in CA is because the Republican party has refused to shift more to the left on a state level in order to win state legislature seats. I have found some pieces of Republican platforms for Governor interesting, but I never have seen anything that would be remotely competitive for moderate Democratic votes. Moderate Democrats are pretty much the 'middle' voter in CA politics. I've also never seen a Republican push super hard for housing reform (making it easier to build). So the one-party rule is as much on the candidates that the Republicans are putting forward as on anything else. Democrats don't want to vote for someone that is going to reverse a bunch of progressive legislation either, so any Republican candidate needs to run as a centrist (like the Governator). Spot on, and it's a bi-partisan issue. Elo-Rivera campaigned in our College West SFH neighborhood before he was first elected and promised us an open-door policy if we had any questions and/or concerns. A year ago a 9-ADU developer snuck in through the new ADU Bonus Program with zero notice or input from our neighborhood and they're building a monstrosity across the street from my house. Radio silence from both Rivera and Gloria's offices. At the ADU community hearing earlier this year Gloria and the counsel's response was, "we have to solve the homeless crisis somehow," which is a total joke as the ADUs that are being built will not be affordable (e.g. it's obvious the developer across the street is going to make a killing renting to SDSU students). I just voted against Rivera. When it comes to $$$ (i.e. backroom deals between politicians and developers) blue or red makes no difference. It seems like it would be be better to just rezone some land near state to mixed use, and let developers build more tall apartments with parking garages, vs. building 9 unit ADU's (9 units is crazy, how did they even do that?) in residential neighborhoods, creating parking and traffic nightmares. |
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Post by azson on Nov 4, 2024 12:22:48 GMT -8
Spot on, and it's a bi-partisan issue. Elo-Rivera campaigned in our College West SFH neighborhood before he was first elected and promised us an open-door policy if we had any questions and/or concerns. A year ago a 9-ADU developer snuck in through the new ADU Bonus Program with zero notice or input from our neighborhood and they're building a monstrosity across the street from my house. Radio silence from both Rivera and Gloria's offices. At the ADU community hearing earlier this year Gloria and the counsel's response was, "we have to solve the homeless crisis somehow," which is a total joke as the ADUs that are being built will not be affordable (e.g. it's obvious the developer across the street is going to make a killing renting to SDSU students). I just voted against Rivera. When it comes to $$$ (i.e. backroom deals between politicians and developers) blue or red makes no difference. It seems like it would be be better to just rezone some land near state to mixed use, and let developers build more tall apartments with parking garages, vs. building 9 unit ADU's ( 9 units is crazy, how did they even do that?) in residential neighborhoods, creating parking and traffic nightmares. They turned the big SFH into a tri-plex and added two 2-story tri-plexes in the back yard (it's a big lot). And the best part is: NO PARKING. So you figure 15-20 new cars on the street. Gonna be a total $#!+ show and if the worst case scenario ends up happening (it turns into a mini-dorm/frat) I'll probably end up selling  |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 4, 2024 15:10:48 GMT -8
It seems like it would be be better to just rezone some land near state to mixed use, and let developers build more tall apartments with parking garages, vs. building 9 unit ADU's ( 9 units is crazy, how did they even do that?) in residential neighborhoods, creating parking and traffic nightmares. They turned the big SFH into a tri-plex and added two 2-story tri-plexes in the back yard (it's a big lot). And the best part is: NO PARKING. So you figure 15-20 new cars on the street. Gonna be a total $#!+ show and if the worst case scenario ends up happening (it turns into a mini-dorm/frat) I'll probably end up selling Yeah that's nuts, at least force them to build parking to offset it. Or only allow 3 units + parking spaces in the front. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 6, 2024 15:16:16 GMT -8
I drove through Oklahoma last week $2.52 a gallon cash, most places credit card were $2.60 - $2.65
AAA reports California has the highest prices in the nation 46.3% higher than the average gas price. We are being ripped-off
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 6, 2024 17:24:43 GMT -8
I drove through Oklahoma last week $2.52 a gallon cash, most places credit card were $2.60 - $2.65 AAA reports California has the highest prices in the nation 46.3% higher than the average gas price. We are being ripped-off Well Oklahoma also has much better air quality then most CA cities. They don't need to have fuel that burns as clean as we need fuel to burn in CA. Smog was awful in CA until we started enacting better fuel standards. Geographically, being bounded by hills, mountains and the ocean traps our cities' smog. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2024 17:35:48 GMT -8
I drove through Oklahoma last week $2.52 a gallon cash, most places credit card were $2.60 - $2.65 AAA reports California has the highest prices in the nation 46.3% higher than the average gas price. We are being ripped-off Or you don't know the obvious difference. |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 7, 2024 11:17:24 GMT -8
The California Air Resources Board will vote tomorrow on an update to the state's clean air rules.
If these updates are approved, the price of gas will probably rise in the state, but the predicted rise is all over the map--from maybe a few cents to over 60 cents per gallon.
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 8, 2024 9:13:58 GMT -8
I drove through Oklahoma last week $2.52 a gallon cash, most places credit card were $2.60 - $2.65 AAA reports California has the highest prices in the nation 46.3% higher than the average gas price. We are being ripped-off Well Oklahoma also has much better air quality then most CA cities. They don't need to have fuel that burns as clean as we need fuel to burn in CA. Smog was awful in CA until we started enacting better fuel standards. Geographically, being bounded by hills, mountains and the ocean traps our cities' smog. Yup, Oklahoma is mostly flat. Some states do have 85, most have 87. I don't recall what Oklahoma was, obviously 85 would be less than 87. A few rolling hills, that's about it. Many states also don't have the idiotic vapor recovery system California does. I owned a couple of independent station when it was enacted. Pure stupidity, it accomplished nothing. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Nov 8, 2024 9:16:03 GMT -8
I drove through Oklahoma last week $2.52 a gallon cash, most places credit card were $2.60 - $2.65 AAA reports California has the highest prices in the nation 46.3% higher than the average gas price. We are being ripped-off Or you don't know the obvious difference. Well, MR. Not-It-All why don't you tell us. Oh never mind, your opinion is irrelevant. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 8, 2024 9:27:50 GMT -8
Or you don't know the obvious difference. Well, MR. Not-It-All why don't you tell us. Oh never mind, your opinion is irrelevant. Heard that before, but I can't take the obvious disingenous responses. California's population is nine times greater than Oklahoma's. More people equals more stuff to pay for. California's economy dwarfs Oklahoma's and has higher tax rates, including sales tax on gasoline. California relies on a special blend of fuel that's not found elsewhere, the cleanest gas found anywhere, lowering emissions and greenhouse gases sent into the atmosphere. California has far greater environmental regulations, fewer refineries and is home to more giant corporations that tend to be more expensive than your independent, smaller stations. You're not going to see $2.65 in California. But you can certainly move to Oklahoma. |
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