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Post by greysuit on Sept 20, 2024 16:16:30 GMT -8
If Memphis, USF, UTSA, and Tulane all join over the weekend I cant See the Pac taking another MW School. My guess is that they stay at 10 and wait to see if the ACC falls apart or until Stanford and Cal get tired of cross-country travel. Also, I believe Cal and Standford are only getting 30% shared in the ACC so if the Pac has any kind of decent media deal it would be more profitable for them to move back. It will be much harder to lure Calford back with Fresno and Boise in the conference. The snob facto is high with the Bay Area schools. USF for FB only for me, paired with Gonzaga. Not sure they have a place for their Olympics, however. Fair, but they are making less than $10 mil / year right now in the ACC with terrible travel. If the PAC can give them $15 mil / year and much better travel I think they swallow their pride and make the jump. |
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Post by myownwords on Sept 20, 2024 16:26:39 GMT -8
It will be much harder to lure Calford back with Fresno and Boise in the conference. The snob facto is high with the Bay Area schools. USF for FB only for me, paired with Gonzaga. Not sure they have a place for their Olympics, however. Fair, but they are making less than $10 mil / year right now in the ACC with terrible travel. If the PAC can give them $15 mil / year and much better travel I think they swallow their pride and make the jump. Maybe some of the snobbery has been flogged out of them by this misadventure of wearing knee pads to get someone to house them across country. |
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Post by standiego on Sept 20, 2024 16:28:10 GMT -8
even bigger then the snobbery factor for CAL and Stanford not wanting to come back to New PAC might the exit fee of is it maybe 140 million to leave the ACC and even more reason why they might be stuck in the ACC unless it folds
Is the exit fee for the AAC about 10 million within 4 years ?
Would also guess that Memphis wants to get into one of the higher rated conferences - while it is considered a hot commodity ? be it BIG or SEC or even Big 12 ? also they would have to travel quite often in the PAC
USF is also quite a long way
do think UNLV will find away to make things happen and they do provide a decent place for the basketball T and even Football conference champs game
The Texas schools do provide a good recruiting area and not that far of a trip also only 2 time zones
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 20, 2024 16:59:05 GMT -8
She f’d around with her breadwinner and paid the ultimate price. I think ultimately the conference will collapse. millions of dollars in exit fees suggest otherwise. JMO Ok… but what is next… no TV deal, no revenue and a really bad conference… |
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Post by greysuit on Sept 20, 2024 23:35:54 GMT -8
even bigger then the snobbery factor for CAL and Stanford not wanting to come back to New PAC might the exit fee of is it maybe 140 million to leave the ACC and even more reason why they might be stuck in the ACC unless it folds Is the exit fee for the AAC about 10 million within 4 years ? Would also guess that Memphis wants to get into one of the higher rated conferences - while it is considered a hot commodity ? be it BIG or SEC or even Big 12 ? also they would have to travel quite often in the PAC USF is also quite a long way do think UNLV will find away to make things happen and they do provide a decent place for the basketball T and even Football conference champs game The Texas schools do provide a good recruiting area and not that far of a trip also only 2 time zones Do not care for Grand Canyon - Since they are only getting a 30% share I would be shocked if they have the same constraints in the GOR as the other schools. If that's the case their ADs and Presidents are complete morons. |
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Post by greysuit on Sept 20, 2024 23:40:16 GMT -8
even bigger then the snobbery factor for CAL and Stanford not wanting to come back to New PAC might the exit fee of is it maybe 140 million to leave the ACC and even more reason why they might be stuck in the ACC unless it folds Is the exit fee for the AAC about 10 million within 4 years ? Would also guess that Memphis wants to get into one of the higher rated conferences - while it is considered a hot commodity ? be it BIG or SEC or even Big 12 ? also they would have to travel quite often in the PAC USF is also quite a long way do think UNLV will find away to make things happen and they do provide a decent place for the basketball T and even Football conference champs game The Texas schools do provide a good recruiting area and not that far of a trip also only 2 time zones Do not care for Grand Canyon - Since they are only getting a 30% share I would be shocked if they have the same constraints in the GOR as the other schools. If that's the case their ADs and Presidents are complete morons. Wow it looks like they did sign the GOR, they are realy in trouble until 2036, baring a law suit. x.com/achristovichh/status/1834248202104529363?t=mVH8cb1IHOj0hm4hl7hBAA&s=19 |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Sept 21, 2024 6:29:46 GMT -8
Agree, stupid to sign it like they did… I am not saying they would ever come back, but the ACC schools who are threatening to leave, FSU and Clemson, were the ones that voted no on adding Calford and SMU… Maybe if they leave there is a better chance of FSU and Clemson staying with the ACC… |
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Post by missiontrails on Sept 21, 2024 7:53:20 GMT -8
Agree, stupid to sign it like they did… I am not saying they would ever come back, but the ACC schools who are threatening to leave, FSU and Clemson, were the ones that voted no on adding Calford and SMU… Maybe if they leave there is a better chance of FSU and Clemson staying with the ACC… You may be on to something there. Perhaps they cut a deal with the conference and FSU/Clemson? If you let us out of the GOR, we'll go back to the PAC and you can hold on to two of your flagship universities. Win/Win. Makes too much sense - won't happen.  |
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Post by samurai on Sept 21, 2024 10:12:18 GMT -8
I think people need to let go of the pipe dream of Calford returning. The fact is the snotty eggheads made a stupid decision in pursuing the ACC last year. They are now tied to a GOR that will keep them there until probably at least 2030. The PAC needs to operate as if they are never coming back. That means taking schools like USF or even possibly UConn and expanding to 10 to 12 schools.
Instead of panicking, Calford should have stuck with OSU/WSU and rebuilt the PAC. They conference could have expanded with SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Rice, Tulane & Memphis. The CFP most likely would have let them get the same playoff share as the BIG XII & ACC. That would have led to media still referring to them as a power conference and equal to the BIG XII & ACC.
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Post by aztech on Sept 21, 2024 11:45:06 GMT -8
I think people need to let go of the pipe dream of Calford returning. The fact is the snotty eggheads made a stupid decision in pursuing the ACC last year. They are now tied to a GOR that will keep them there until probably at least 2030. The PAC needs to operate as if they are never coming back. That means taking schools like USF or even possibly UConn and expanding to 10 to 12 schools. Instead of panicking, Calford should have stuck with OSU/WSU and rebuilt the PAC. They conference could have expanded with SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Rice, Tulane & Memphis. The CFP most likely would have let them get the same playoff share as the BIG XII & ACC. That would have led to media still referring to them as a power conference and equal to the BIG XII & ACC. That's it in a nutshell. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 21, 2024 12:54:01 GMT -8
It will be much harder to lure Calford back with Fresno and Boise in the conference. The snob facto is high with the Bay Area schools. USF for FB only for me, paired with Gonzaga. Not sure they have a place for their Olympics, however. I think you have to work on the assumption that Cal and Stanford are not coming back. Holding a place for them is a waste of time. I think USF in Football would be a big win and maybe it looks like this: San Diego State Oregon State Washington State Boise State Colorado State Fresno State Memphis Tulane UTSA USF (football only) Gonzaga (Basketball and Olympic sports) If USF wants in for all sports at least they would have 3 teams 1 time zone away. That would be the conference to dream for right now. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 21, 2024 12:55:45 GMT -8
It will be much harder to lure Calford back with Fresno and Boise in the conference. The snob facto is high with the Bay Area schools. USF for FB only for me, paired with Gonzaga. Not sure they have a place for their Olympics, however. Fair, but they are making less than $10 mil / year right now in the ACC with terrible travel. If the PAC can give them $15 mil / year and much better travel I think they swallow their pride and make the jump. If one does come back, it would be Cal. Their AD debt is bad, and gets even worse come 2032 when they start paying the principal on that debt. It gets worse through the 2030s and then starts to ease a bit in the next decade. |
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Post by greysuit on Sept 22, 2024 12:16:10 GMT -8
Fair, but they are making less than $10 mil / year right now in the ACC with terrible travel. If the PAC can give them $15 mil / year and much better travel I think they swallow their pride and make the jump. If one does come back, it would be Cal. Their AD debt is bad, and gets even worse come 2032 when they start paying the principal on that debt. It gets worse through the 2030s and then starts to ease a bit in the next decade. Maybe, but Cal is getting $10 mil from UCLA every year. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 22, 2024 13:01:16 GMT -8
I think people need to let go of the pipe dream of Calford returning. The fact is the snotty eggheads made a stupid decision in pursuing the ACC last year. They are now tied to a GOR that will keep them there until probably at least 2030. The PAC needs to operate as if they are never coming back. That means taking schools like USF or even possibly UConn and expanding to 10 to 12 schools. Instead of panicking, Calford should have stuck with OSU/WSU and rebuilt the PAC. They conference could have expanded with SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Rice, Tulane & Memphis. The CFP most likely would have let them get the same playoff share as the BIG XII & ACC. That would have led to media still referring to them as a power conference and equal to the BIG XII & ACC. That's it in a nutshell. George Kliavkoff had a clear path to saving the PAC despite the departures of UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado. By aggressively adding SMU, San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, and Colorado State, he could have stabilized the conference, potentially retaining Utah and the Arizona schools. With this expanded roster, Kliavkoff could have renegotiated with ESPN, securing a media rights deal in the range of $30 million per school, ensuring the conference’s future and competitiveness. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 22, 2024 14:49:12 GMT -8
If one does come back, it would be Cal. Their AD debt is bad, and gets even worse come 2032 when they start paying the principal on that debt. It gets worse through the 2030s and then starts to ease a bit in the next decade. Maybe, but Cal is getting $10 mil from UCLA every year. That $10M doesn't even cover travel mitigation. And, those payments have only been approved for three years IIRC. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 22, 2024 14:50:10 GMT -8
George Kliavkoff had a clear path to saving the PAC despite the departures of UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado. By aggressively adding SMU, San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, and Colorado State, he could have stabilized the conference, potentially retaining Utah and the Arizona schools. With this expanded roster, Kliavkoff could have renegotiated with ESPN, securing a media rights deal in the range of $30 million per school, ensuring the conference’s future and competitiveness. George was in way over his head. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 22, 2024 14:54:36 GMT -8
George Kliavkoff had a clear path to saving the PAC despite the departures of UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado. By aggressively adding SMU, San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, and Colorado State, he could have stabilized the conference, potentially retaining Utah and the Arizona schools. With this expanded roster, Kliavkoff could have renegotiated with ESPN, securing a media rights deal in the range of $30 million per school, ensuring the conference’s future and competitiveness. George was in way over his head. And the CEO Committee, over-valued their net value at $50MM per school. The entire negotiation was a circus, with ESPN and CBS willing to kill the conference and pick it apart for scraps. The Apple alternative got the PAC-12 to near $30MM per school based on subscription increases, and kickers in further years. George didn't leave himself and the PAC with any reasonable options before the vultures picked the PAC clean. |
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Post by aztech on Sept 22, 2024 15:00:49 GMT -8
George Kliavkoff had a clear path to saving the PAC despite the departures of UCLA, USC, Oregon, Washington, and Colorado. By aggressively adding SMU, San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, and Colorado State, he could have stabilized the conference, potentially retaining Utah and the Arizona schools. With this expanded roster, Kliavkoff could have renegotiated with ESPN, securing a media rights deal in the range of $30 million per school, ensuring the conference’s future and competitiveness. George was in way over his head. They could have said the same about Larry Scott, their commissioner. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 22, 2024 16:09:52 GMT -8
George was in way over his head. And the CEO Committee, over-valued their net value at $50MM per school. The entire negotiation was a circus, with ESPN and CBS willing to kill the conference and pick it apart for scraps. The Apple alternative got the PAC-12 to near $30MM per school based on subscription increases, and kickers in further years. George didn't leave himself and the PAC with any reasonable options before the vultures picked the PAC clean. Yeah, but a real commissioner would have told them "no" when asked to present that to ESPN. Come back with $35 or $40. To be honest, outside of Utah, ASU, Calford and OSU/Wazzu, I don't think the other cared what would happen if the conference dissolved. |
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Post by aardvark on Sept 22, 2024 17:02:57 GMT -8
Fair, but they are making less than $10 mil / year right now in the ACC with terrible travel. If the PAC can give them $15 mil / year and much better travel I think they swallow their pride and make the jump. If one does come back, it would be Cal. Their AD debt is bad, and gets even worse come 2032 when they start paying the principal on that debt. It gets worse through the 2030s and then starts to ease a bit in the next decade. Aren't they still paying (and will keep paying for decades to come) the incomplete remodel of their stadium? |
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