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Post by aztech on Sept 9, 2024 10:59:21 GMT -8
So, pulling the QB who the coach has made starter from day one in order to put in another guy that has never attempted a pass in a CFB game is going to make the team think, "Gosh, coach really cares, is "courageous" and shows "leadership" to the team then? Got it. And if he came in and stank then people would be on here saying that Lewis "gave up" on O'Neil too early. But, to the question of putting him in on the last two drives still would bring into question that coach Lewis was "giving up" on the game and just wanted to protect his starter from injury. The nice thing about JTJ is that he didn't do anything so we can all feel better by thinking it would have made a difference - the "grass is greener syndrome." No, you put the #2 guy in there for a couple of reasons. #1) O'Neil was hurt. Keep him in there, and you're risking further injury. #2) You put him in there to see if he can spark the team. Also, if doing that in that type of situation hurts O'Neil's confidence, then he's not mentally ready for D1 football, that's for sure. The guy was hurt. I'm sure he would understand the switch. Also, you don't just simply hand the ball off with over 4 minutes to go only because your starting QB is injured. If that's the case, YOU GET HIM THE HECK OUT OF THERE!!! Yes, I'm screaming, it was that ridiculous. It's a no brainer situation. That means he's REALLY hurt if you're only handing it off with that much time to go. Sheesh. If I'm a player on the sidelines, I would be questioning it, big time, let alone as a fan. You know who's confidence may be hurt out of that situation? Johnson and Duffy. "Hey Coach, are you telling me that you think I'm that bad that you wouldn't put me in at the end of the game down by 21 points with 4 minutes left, and our QB's hurt?" "Heck, let me hand the ball off, at least, to avoid possible further injury to O'Neil." "I can do that." "Wow." "I'm outta here." That's what I would think. I just listened to Lewis in his post game interview about the game on the Goaztecs web page. Who the hell are those p*****s who ask him the questions? Not one guy asked him about mailing it in during the last 4 minutes of the game. Lweis just spouted his typical word salad like all coaches do when not pressed. What a waste of time. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 11:15:17 GMT -8
No, you put the #2 guy in there for a couple of reasons. #1) O'Neil was hurt. Keep him in there, and you're risking further injury. #2) You put him in there to see if he can spark the team. Also, if doing that in that type of situation hurts O'Neil's confidence, then he's not mentally ready for D1 football, that's for sure. The guy was hurt. I'm sure he would understand the switch. Also, you don't just simply hand the ball off with over 4 minutes to go only because your starting QB is injured. If that's the case, YOU GET HIM THE HECK OUT OF THERE!!! Yes, I'm screaming, it was that ridiculous. It's a no brainer situation. That means he's REALLY hurt if you're only handing it off with that much time to go. Sheesh. If I'm a player on the sidelines, I would be questioning it, big time, let alone as a fan. You know who's confidence may be hurt out of that situation? Johnson and Duffy. "Hey Coach, are you telling me that you think I'm that bad that you wouldn't put me in at the end of the game down by 21 points with 4 minutes left, and our QB's hurt?" "Heck, let me hand the ball off, at least, to avoid possible further injury to O'Neil." "I can do that." "Wow." "I'm outta here." That's what I would think. I just listened to Lewis in his post game interview about the game on the Goaztecs web page. Who the hell are those p*****s who ask him the questions? Not one guy asked him about mailing it in during the last 4 minutes of the game. Lweis just spouted his typical word salad like all coaches do when not pressed. What a waste of time. Wow. Ridiculous. Thanks for the update. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 11:17:39 GMT -8
If he were not injured, then why was he limping? Players don't limp just to look cool There is a difference between "injury" and being banged up. If you're limping, it limits you. Injured, banged up, same thing. Now you can have a bruise on your arm as a lineman and still play, etc, but limping as a QB is no bueno, obviously. |
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Post by perch on Sept 9, 2024 11:34:46 GMT -8
When you are limping you are not up to full speed, thus limiting your ability.
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Post by aztecx on Sept 9, 2024 11:38:54 GMT -8
When you are limping you are not up to full speed, thus limiting your ability. I don't disagree with you. I just think Lewis is looking long term and getting O'Neil the most reps is best long term. |
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Post by azson on Sept 9, 2024 12:12:50 GMT -8
Yeah, I didn't think it made sense having O neill in the last few series either.... It REALLY didn't make sense to have O'Neil try to score when he had Cooper available and especially because he had already been hurt earlier in the game. What a horrible call. Kenny said Cooper may have potentially been covered on that play but I still think you trust someone with Cooper's pedigree over an injured, 6' Freshman. As was pointed out in another thread it appeared the call was a pitch to Coop, but an OSU player came untouched and would have snatched it, so O'Neil had to improvise. |
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 9, 2024 13:09:48 GMT -8
He did penetrant the backfield, but O'Neil didn't tuck the ball away.
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 9, 2024 13:42:00 GMT -8
If he were not injured, then why was he limping? Players don't limp just to look cool There is a difference between "injury" and being banged up. Either way he's in a brace and limping He's already got accuracy issues and now add this to it. It's not like we're leaving in an All-American who has proven thru past games that he can lead a comeback. He's a true frosh who barely won the battle for QB1 while having the worst stats of all 3 QBs during both public scrimmages. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 13:45:57 GMT -8
There is a difference between "injury" and being banged up. Either way he's in a brace and limping He's already got accuracy issues and now add this to it. It's not like we're leaving in an All-American who has proven thru games he can lead a comeback. He's a true frosh who barely won the battle for QB1. Yes, and your last sentence says it all. It wasn't as if O'Neil was going to get anything out of handing the ball off. Ridiculous. Get another guy in there. Sheesh. I was shocked when he came back out after limping off the field and we were down 21 late in the game, only to hand off. Mind boggling. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 9, 2024 13:51:52 GMT -8
Either way he's in a brace and limping He's already got accuracy issues and now add this to it. It's not like we're leaving in an All-American who has proven thru games he can lead a comeback. He's a true frosh who barely won the battle for QB1. Yes, and your last sentence says it all. It wasn't as if O'Neil was going to get anything out of handing the ball off. Ridiculous. Get another guy in there. Sheesh. I was shocked when he came back out after limping off the field and we were down 21 late in the game, only to hand off. Mind boggling. If the point was preservation of health, then put in Kyle Crum to handoff so nobody in the top 3 risk injury after you've waived the surrender flag. |
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Post by docmm on Sept 9, 2024 14:01:13 GMT -8
When you are limping you are not up to full speed, thus limiting your ability. I don't disagree with you. I just think Lewis is looking long term and getting O'Neil the most reps is best long term. Did you watch the game? Did you not notice him limping? Banged up is sore or bruised or having limited range of motion. He was LIMPING. Do you have any idea how dangerous that is when 250-280 lb guys are chasing you around back there and you can't even run? Did you see when he got sacked towards the end of the game because he couldn't step up into the pocket because his brace got caught in the turf? Sending a Freshman, injured QB out when you don't even want him to do anything but hand off is not just stupid on Lewis's part, it's completely irresponsible. Handing-off reps when you're limping not only doesn't help the Freshman, it frustrates and pisses off QBs #2 and 3. It was a bonehead move by Lewis and some reporter better ask him about it. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Sept 9, 2024 17:03:20 GMT -8
I agree that Coach Lewis should have played one of our other QBs, probably for the entire second half. I think O’Neil played well for a true freshman, but the team was bogged down (not all his fault) and sometimes a change gets things going. It also didn’t seem wise to risk further injury to O’Neil - his reduced mobility meant an increased chance of further damage, and it seems unlikely that a full examination of his knee injury could be completed during half time. Finally, it seems questionable that O’Neil makes it through the entire season based on our mediocre pass protection, his young age, and his damage to the knee in only our second game. Getting some game reps for our #2 QB could be critical for future success.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 9, 2024 17:41:00 GMT -8
I don't disagree with you. I just think Lewis is looking long term and getting O'Neil the most reps is best long term. Did you watch the game? Did you not notice him limping? Banged up is sore or bruised or having limited range of motion. He was LIMPING. Do you have any idea how dangerous that is when 250-280 lb guys are chasing you around back there and you can't even run? Did you see when he got sacked towards the end of the game because he couldn't step up into the pocket because his brace got caught in the turf? Sending a Freshman, injured QB out when you don't even want him to do anything but hand off is not just stupid on Lewis's part, it's completely irresponsible. Handing-off reps when you're limping not only doesn't help the Freshman, it frustrates and pisses off QBs #2 and 3. It was a bonehead move by Lewis and some reporter better ask him about it. Mind boggling. If Lewis was trying to send a message such as "Don't even bother asking me who I'm rolling with, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS" then he got his irresponsible point across. |
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 9, 2024 18:44:38 GMT -8
Lewis should have tried in the final four minutes. Or, he should have substituted and let some others get on the field. What he actually did made no sense.
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Post by walkonfan on Sept 10, 2024 1:56:08 GMT -8
Lewis should have tried in the final four minutes. Or, he should have substituted and let some others get on the field. What he actually did made no sense. Look at it this way; O'Neal won the QB competition outright period. If the medical staff says he is hurt but not in danger of hurting himself, and O'Neal does not go to the coach and says I am out; then Coach Lewis has a decision: 1) Make the decision to remove and replace O'Neal with the back-up; or 2) Stay with O'Neal and send the message to the team and other QBs ...you won the QB job we will stick with you until you decide you need to be substituted. Guess what decision Lewis made? It is important for players to know that I will not lose my position just because I get hurt and slowed down and I will be the one to tap-out. walkonfan..  . |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 10, 2024 5:22:11 GMT -8
Lewis should have tried in the final four minutes. Or, he should have substituted and let some others get on the field. What he actually did made no sense. Look at it this way; O'Neal won the QB competition outright period. If the medical staff says he is hurt but not in danger of hurting himself, and O'Neal does not go to the coach and says I am out; then Coach Lewis has a decision: 1) Make the decision to remove and replace O'Neal with the back-up; or 2) Stay with O'Neal and send the message to the team and other QBs ...you won the QB job we will stick with you until you decide you need to be substituted. Guess what decision Lewis made? It is important for players to know that I will not lose my position just because I get hurt and slowed down and I will be the one to tap-out. walkonfan.. . At some point the coaches on the field and in the box need to look at their QB and make a call "how much is the player dinged up? (a little/a lot, 10 20 30%) and figure that a healthy back-up maybe a better option. The view I saw was not a good look from a "dinged up" mobile/RPO type QB behind a O-Line that was not doing a very good job at the time but then again I am NOT the coach. The coaching staff is way more in-tune with what's going on and felt O'Neil was still the best option at the time, I guess. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 10, 2024 7:58:13 GMT -8
Lewis should have tried in the final four minutes. Or, he should have substituted and let some others get on the field. What he actually did made no sense. Look at it this way; O'Neal won the QB competition outright period. If the medical staff says he is hurt but not in danger of hurting himself, and O'Neal does not go to the coach and says I am out; then Coach Lewis has a decision: 1) Make the decision to remove and replace O'Neal with the back-up; or 2) Stay with O'Neal and send the message to the team and other QBs ...you won the QB job we will stick with you until you decide you need to be substituted. Guess what decision Lewis made? It is important for players to know that I will not lose my position just because I get hurt and slowed down and I will be the one to tap-out. walkonfan.. . The problem is Lewis gave up with over 4 minutes to go. You don't make that statement with that amount of time left. He had O'Neil just hand the ball off. I thought Lewis was a competitor? Not in this last game. To make a statement that my QB is not coming out until he's writhing in pain apparently, and then give up on the game to make that statement was wrong, and irresponsible. That was the wrong message to send at that time. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 10, 2024 8:01:12 GMT -8
Look at it this way; O'Neal won the QB competition outright period. If the medical staff says he is hurt but not in danger of hurting himself, and O'Neal does not go to the coach and says I am out; then Coach Lewis has a decision: 1) Make the decision to remove and replace O'Neal with the back-up; or 2) Stay with O'Neal and send the message to the team and other QBs ...you won the QB job we will stick with you until you decide you need to be substituted. Guess what decision Lewis made? It is important for players to know that I will not lose my position just because I get hurt and slowed down and I will be the one to tap-out. walkonfan.. . At some point the coaches on the field and in the box need to look at their QB and make a call "how much is the player dinged up? (a little/a lot, 10 20 30%) and figure that a healthy back-up maybe a better option. The view I saw was not a good look from a "dinged up" mobile/RPO type QB behind a O-Line that was not doing a very good job at the time but then again I am NOT the coach. The coaching staff is way more in-tune with what's going on and felt O'Neil was still the best option at the time, I guess. He was so dinged up that they decided to only hand the ball off with over 4 minutes to go. Get him out of there and put someone else in that can drop back and make a throw, or be able to scramble if needed, especially when you're down by 21. O'Neil could only hand the ball off and that was apparently ok with Lewis with that amount of time left. Not good. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 10, 2024 9:01:04 GMT -8
Look at it this way; O'Neal won the QB competition outright period. If the medical staff says he is hurt but not in danger of hurting himself, and O'Neal does not go to the coach and says I am out; then Coach Lewis has a decision: 1) Make the decision to remove and replace O'Neal with the back-up; or 2) Stay with O'Neal and send the message to the team and other QBs ...you won the QB job we will stick with you until you decide you need to be substituted. Guess what decision Lewis made? It is important for players to know that I will not lose my position just because I get hurt and slowed down and I will be the one to tap-out. walkonfan.. . At some point the coaches on the field and in the box need to look at their QB and make a call "how much is the player dinged up? (a little/a lot, 10 20 30%) and figure that a healthy back-up maybe a better option. The view I saw was not a good look from a "dinged up" mobile/RPO type QB behind a O-Line that was not doing a very good job at the time but then again I am NOT the coach. The coaching staff is way more in-tune with what's going on and felt O'Neil was still the best option at the time, I guess. Especially when the offense involves the QB rushing the ball and the QB2 has NFL size and is just as fast as QB1. Bringing him down would be like tackling a small TE instead of a short CB |
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