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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 8, 2024 6:52:24 GMT -8
I was not able to watch the game as I’m out of the country, what did the coaching staff do that it appeared they quit with four minutes to go?
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Post by docmm on Sept 8, 2024 7:15:24 GMT -8
I was not able to watch the game as I’m out of the country, what did the coaching staff do that it appeared they quit with four minutes to go? With 4:38 left, Lewis sent an already-injured, hobbled O'Neil back into the game where he handed the ball off three straight times for runs straight into the line. They took almost 30 seconds to run every play and punted on 4th and 5 after running on 3rd and 5. |
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Post by tuff on Sept 8, 2024 7:20:06 GMT -8
Looks like we’ve been Wickered again. lol.
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Post by 94sdsu on Sept 8, 2024 9:47:21 GMT -8
I was not able to watch the game as I’m out of the country, what did the coaching staff do that it appeared they quit with four minutes to go? With 4:38 left, Lewis sent an already-injured, hobbled O'Neil back into the game where he handed the ball off three straight times for runs straight into the line. They took almost 30 seconds to run every play and punted on 4th and 5 after running on 3rd and 5. Wow, that’s terrible |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 8, 2024 9:51:13 GMT -8
Fire Lewis, you just let the clock run out! Way to motivate and lead your team! You dont ever give up. How can you follow that crap? If I'm a high school senior considering SDSU, I'd be scratching them off the list after seeing that. The game was lost when we went for it on 4th and 18 from our 42 and failed. Defense was gassed so trying to do something with 4 or 5 minutes to go would expose players to injury, especially the QB, when you turn the team one-dimensional. I recall you being a Charger fan. Remember the game where Schottenheimer kept in Brees against Denver and Brees hurt his shoulder? Lewis said just a week or so ago that it would take a season and a half to really get the offense to gel and we already have guys giving up on him after two games. In the words of Jed Clampett, that is simply "pitiful." |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 8, 2024 9:52:05 GMT -8
With 4:38 left, Lewis sent an already-injured, hobbled O'Neil back into the game where he handed the ball off three straight times for runs straight into the line. They took almost 30 seconds to run every play and punted on 4th and 5 after running on 3rd and 5. Wow, that’s terrible I've got some feathers, anyone got any tar? |
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Post by richpjr on Sept 8, 2024 10:50:47 GMT -8
If I'm a high school senior considering SDSU, I'd be scratching them off the list after seeing that. The game was lost when we went for it on 4th and 18 from our 42 and failed. Defense was gassed so trying to do something with 4 or 5 minutes to go would expose players to injury, especially the QB, when you turn the team one-dimensional. I recall you being a Charger fan. Remember the game where Schottenheimer kept in Brees against Denver and Brees hurt his shoulder? Lewis said just a week or so ago that it would take a season and a half to really get the offense to gel and we already have guys giving up on him after two games. In the words of Jed Clampett, that is simply "pitiful." No offense should take a year and a half to gel, especially with how fast college rosters turn over. Makes one question the too complicated scheme. Regardless of that, it’s not the scheme that is most concerning, it is the cowardly surrender with over 4 minutes left that would make me question the coaches toughness and leadership. |
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Post by aztech on Sept 8, 2024 11:19:48 GMT -8
The game was lost when we went for it on 4th and 18 from our 42 and failed. Defense was gassed so trying to do something with 4 or 5 minutes to go would expose players to injury, especially the QB, when you turn the team one-dimensional. I recall you being a Charger fan. Remember the game where Schottenheimer kept in Brees against Denver and Brees hurt his shoulder? Lewis said just a week or so ago that it would take a season and a half to really get the offense to gel and we already have guys giving up on him after two games. In the words of Jed Clampett, that is simply "pitiful." No offense should take a year and a half to gel, especially with how fast college rosters turn over. Makes one question the too complicated scheme. Regardless of that, it’s not the scheme that is most concerning, it is the cowardly surrender with over 4 minutes left that would make me question the coaches toughness and leadership. I thought about that too. With so many new players they have to simplify the offense and elevate it when the staff thinks the players are ready. I question whether Lewis has the patience to do this. By the way, why does the punter always dance around before punting? It's as strange as watching the team scrambling around before kicking the PATs, which we saw in the first game. It's bizarre. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 8, 2024 11:23:34 GMT -8
The game was lost when we went for it on 4th and 18 from our 42 and failed. Defense was gassed so trying to do something with 4 or 5 minutes to go would expose players to injury, especially the QB, when you turn the team one-dimensional. I recall you being a Charger fan. Remember the game where Schottenheimer kept in Brees against Denver and Brees hurt his shoulder? Lewis said just a week or so ago that it would take a season and a half to really get the offense to gel and we already have guys giving up on him after two games. In the words of Jed Clampett, that is simply "pitiful." No offense should take a year and a half to gel, especially with how fast college rosters turn over. Makes one question the too complicated scheme. Regardless of that, it’s not the scheme that is most concerning, it is the cowardly surrender with over 4 minutes left that would make me question the coaches toughness and leadership. So, at that point in the game, you have O'Neil throw the ball when everyone in the stadium, including the defense, knows he is throwing and increase the risk of injury or do you pull him and ding his confidence and replace him with a redshirt frosh who hasn't thrown a pass in a collegiate game, coach? You do realize that, at that point, the defense had been on the field 39 min and 18 seconds, right? Mistakes can be fixed and young players mature but you really cannot fix issues with toughness and leadership. If Lewis doesn't have it by now, then he will never have it. So, is that your point or, perhaps you are acting out of emotion and being too harsh? Which is it? |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 8, 2024 11:24:43 GMT -8
No offense should take a year and a half to gel, especially with how fast college rosters turn over. Makes one question the too complicated scheme. Regardless of that, it’s not the scheme that is most concerning, it is the cowardly surrender with over 4 minutes left that would make me question the coaches toughness and leadership. I thought about that too. With so many new players they have to simplify the offense and elevate it when the staff thinks the players are ready. I question whether Lewis has the patience to do this.By the way, why does the punter always dance around before punting? It's as strange as watching the team scrambling around before kicking the PATs, which we saw in the first game. It's bizarre. It is obvious some on here don't. |
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Post by richpjr on Sept 8, 2024 11:33:54 GMT -8
No offense should take a year and a half to gel, especially with how fast college rosters turn over. Makes one question the too complicated scheme. Regardless of that, it’s not the scheme that is most concerning, it is the cowardly surrender with over 4 minutes left that would make me question the coaches toughness and leadership. So, at that point in the game, you have O'Neil throw the ball when everyone in the stadium, including the defense, knows he is throwing and increase the risk of injury or do you pull him and ding his confidence and replace him with a redshirt frosh who hasn't thrown a pass in a collegiate game, coach? You do realize that, at that point, the defense had been on the field 39 min and 18 seconds, right? Mistakes can be fixed and young players mature but you really cannot fix issues with toughness and leadership. If Lewis doesn't have it by now, then he will never have it. So, is that your point or, perhaps you are acting out of emotion and being too harsh? Which is it? Surrendering with over 4 minutes left makes me question if he has it. I knew nothing about him before he was hired, aside from he was demoted after one year as an OC. He had a losing record at an FCS school and in fact only had one winning season ever. Now hearing he is claiming it will take a year and a half for the O to gel really makes me question why he was hired at all. Regardless, he is here now so we can only hope he pulls his head out and somehow his faith in an undersized freshman QB pans out. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 8, 2024 11:59:39 GMT -8
So, at that point in the game, you have O'Neil throw the ball when everyone in the stadium, including the defense, knows he is throwing and increase the risk of injury or do you pull him and ding his confidence and replace him with a redshirt frosh who hasn't thrown a pass in a collegiate game, coach? You do realize that, at that point, the defense had been on the field 39 min and 18 seconds, right? Mistakes can be fixed and young players mature but you really cannot fix issues with toughness and leadership. If Lewis doesn't have it by now, then he will never have it. So, is that your point or, perhaps you are acting out of emotion and being too harsh? Which is it? Surrendering with over 4 minutes left makes me question if he has it. I knew nothing about him before he was hired, aside from he was demoted after one year as an OC. He had a losing record at an FCS school and in fact only had one winning season ever. Now hearing he is claiming it will take a year and a half for the O to gel really makes me question why he was hired at all. Regardless, he is here now so we can only hope he pulls his head out and somehow his faith in an undersized freshman QB pans out. And you just evaded answering the questions. I am the one who used the word "gel" because I was too lazy to look back for the article where he said it would take a season and a have to when the offence was operating optimally. It isn't just the offensive system, it includes the personnel. Right now, all but one of the offensive roster is in the first few months of being in this system. Everyone is new. Some are new and young. Yet only Harrison has played more than two games under it. He certainly didn't say that the offense would suck until then. As for the QB, you do realize that the 2nd string QB is a RS frosh who has even less experience than O'Neil. Not much of choice but Lewis didn't inherit a veteran QB on the roster and the one he brought didn't win the job, not that he had much experience playing either. Lewis wanted to run the ball more, Deion wanted his son to be the focus. Deion gets his way. How did the offense do after Lewis was demoted? |
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Post by perch on Sept 8, 2024 12:02:51 GMT -8
Pulling the QB with 4 minutes to go isn"t going to hurt his confidence. He knows he is injured and hobbling. He should have been pulled much earlier to keep him from getting more and serious injury. I don't understand Lewis keeing him in. After all he an Johonson were neck and neck for the starting job. It is not like you put in someone who could not compete. Poor decision on Lewis in my opinion.
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 8, 2024 13:15:36 GMT -8
No offense should take a year and a half to gel, especially with how fast college rosters turn over. Makes one question the too complicated scheme. Regardless of that, it’s not the scheme that is most concerning, it is the cowardly surrender with over 4 minutes left that would make me question the coaches toughness and leadership. So, at that point in the game, you have O'Neil throw the ball when everyone in the stadium, including the defense, knows he is throwing and increase the risk of injury or do you pull him and ding his confidence and replace him with a redshirt frosh who hasn't thrown a pass in a collegiate game, coach? You do realize that, at that point, the defense had been on the field 39 min and 18 seconds, right? Mistakes can be fixed and young players mature but you really cannot fix issues with toughness and leadership. If Lewis doesn't have it by now, then he will never have it. So, is that your point or, perhaps you are acting out of emotion and being too harsh? Which is it? The true freshman QB was injured and has only played 1 game against an FCS team last week as compared to your back up red-shirt freshman has been around a D1 team system for over a year now. This all should have been about an even trade off with O'Neil's injury, JTJ athletic ability and size and or Duffy experience. I am not saying these other guys will go undefeated but watching O'Neil hobble around behind center was not getting it done at the time. I will say, I like the look of O'Neil (when heathy) but him dinged up is not going to work right now with his inexperience and the lack of protection the O-Line is providing him. |
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Post by AzTex on Sept 8, 2024 13:46:13 GMT -8
So, at that point in the game, you have O'Neil throw the ball when everyone in the stadium, including the defense, knows he is throwing and increase the risk of injury or do you pull him and ding his confidence and replace him with a redshirt frosh who hasn't thrown a pass in a collegiate game, coach? You do realize that, at that point, the defense had been on the field 39 min and 18 seconds, right? Mistakes can be fixed and young players mature but you really cannot fix issues with toughness and leadership. If Lewis doesn't have it by now, then he will never have it. So, is that your point or, perhaps you are acting out of emotion and being too harsh? Which is it? The true freshman QB was injured and has only played 1 game against an FCS team last week as compared to your back up red-shirt freshman has been around a D1 team system for over a year now. This all should have been about an even trade off with O'Neil's injury, JTJ athletic ability and size and or Duffy experience. I am not saying these other guys will go undefeated but watching O'Neil hobble around behind center was not getting it done at the time. I will say, I like the look of O'Neil (when heathy) but him dinged up is not going to work right now with his inexperience and the lack of protection the O-Line is providing him. I admit to probably knowing less about the nuts and bolts of coaching a football team than anyone on the field last night, including the guys moving the chains. However, I would have put Johnson in when we went down by 21 late in the game. I'd have let him run the full offense. As optimistic as I am about games, the chance of winning was very small at that point and there was little benefit to risk additional injury of O'Neill. If not then, certainly make the change for the last 4 minutes. |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 8, 2024 13:56:28 GMT -8
Pulling the QB with 4 minutes to go isn"t going to hurt his confidence. He knows he is injured and hobbling. He should have been pulled much earlier to keep him from getting more and serious injury. I don't understand Lewis keeing him in. After all he an Johonson were neck and neck for the starting job. It is not like you put in someone who could not compete. Poor decision on Lewis in my opinion. So, pulling the QB who the coach has made starter from day one in order to put in another guy that has never attempted a pass in a CFB game is going to make the team think, "Gosh, coach really cares, is "courageous" and shows "leadership" to the team then? Got it. And if he came in and stank then people would be on here saying that Lewis "gave up" on O'Neil too early. But, to the question of putting him in on the last two drives still would bring into question that coach Lewis was "giving up" on the game and just wanted to protect his starter from injury. The nice thing about JTJ is that he didn't do anything so we can all feel better by thinking it would have made a difference - the "grass is greener syndrome." |
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Post by Den60 on Sept 8, 2024 14:10:23 GMT -8
So, at that point in the game, you have O'Neil throw the ball when everyone in the stadium, including the defense, knows he is throwing and increase the risk of injury or do you pull him and ding his confidence and replace him with a redshirt frosh who hasn't thrown a pass in a collegiate game, coach? You do realize that, at that point, the defense had been on the field 39 min and 18 seconds, right? Mistakes can be fixed and young players mature but you really cannot fix issues with toughness and leadership. If Lewis doesn't have it by now, then he will never have it. So, is that your point or, perhaps you are acting out of emotion and being too harsh? Which is it? The true freshman QB was injured and has only played 1 game against an FCS team last week as compared to your back up red-shirt freshman has been around a D1 team system for over a year now. This all should have been about an even trade off with O'Neil's injury, JTJ athletic ability and size and or Duffy experience. I am not saying these other guys will go undefeated but watching O'Neil hobble around behind center was not getting it done at the time. I will say, I like the look of O'Neil (when heathy) but him dinged up is not going to work right now with his inexperience and the lack of protection the O-Line is providing him. Well, I look at the 7 penalties on offense and the 2.9 yards/carry as being a big part of the offensive issues. But, O'Neil did fumble and that is on him. I would not have called his number on that play. Did that come from Lewis or did O'Neil audible? I don't know and I doubt Lewis would even confirm if it was the latter, at least not in public. We will likely lose again next week so let's throw away whatever we were going with before and change because any change will undoubtedly, be better. Start JTJ and maybe we lose 42-14 but at least we scored 14 and create a QB controversy. Yes, JTJ was here last year with a different coach and different offense, so he probably knows better what days to eat at the cafeteria and what days you go out for Mexican. I don't think he has had more time than O'Neill when it comes to being in this system, however., as O'Neill was here for Lewis' first practice. One could say, in all good conscience, that O'Neill had a leg up on everybody because he had a relation ship with Lewis before he was hired by SDSU. Again, I said when Lewis was first hired, just looking at the schedule, that 5 wins would be a good year for Lewis. I also said that I hoped he would be given some time before people started calling for his head. |
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Post by uncledougy on Sept 8, 2024 14:17:01 GMT -8
I feel so bad for Cooper. He is such a man, complete football player. I would love a team of 11 Marquez’es!
He was on the field saying “WTF” is going on. How they don’t just hand him the ball and let him do his thing especially at the goal line.
I think we need to abandon the O’Neill experiment and hook up AJ. It’s actually not too late to save the season.
What we all saw was like throwing up in your mouth! Hard to watch…..actually painful to watch.
Need to set some fires under the team and get this show on the road, starting with AJ.
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 8, 2024 15:05:06 GMT -8
The true freshman QB was injured and has only played 1 game against an FCS team last week as compared to your back up red-shirt freshman has been around a D1 team system for over a year now. This all should have been about an even trade off with O'Neil's injury, JTJ athletic ability and size and or Duffy experience. I am not saying these other guys will go undefeated but watching O'Neil hobble around behind center was not getting it done at the time. I will say, I like the look of O'Neil (when heathy) but him dinged up is not going to work right now with his inexperience and the lack of protection the O-Line is providing him. Well, I look at the 7 penalties on offense and the 2.9 yards/carry as being a big part of the offensive issues. But, O'Neil did fumble and that is on him. I would not have called his number on that play. Did that come from Lewis or did O'Neil audible? I don't know and I doubt Lewis would even confirm if it was the latter, at least not in public. We will likely lose again next week so let's throw away whatever we were going with before and change because any change will undoubtedly, be better. Start JTJ and maybe we lose 42-14 but at least we scored 14 and create a QB controversy. Yes, JTJ was here last year with a different coach and different offense, so he probably knows better what days to eat at the cafeteria and what days you go out for Mexican. I don't think he has had more time than O'Neill when it comes to being in this system, however., as O'Neill was here for Lewis' first practice. One could say, in all good conscience, that O'Neill had a leg up on everybody because he had a relation ship with Lewis before he was hired by SDSU. Again, I said when Lewis was first hired, just looking at the schedule, that 5 wins would be a good year for Lewis. I also said that I hoped he would be given some time before people started calling for his head. Just stating all the QB's have about the same amount of experience and "the leg up O'Neil had, got injured" now injured making everyone one pretty much equal. Coach Lewis should have got someone else in to try and move the team and gain experience with the first unit in LIVE fire. I fully understand these coaches know way more then us Aztecmesa psoters but it really looked like it was a pride thing keeping his QB in over a left over from last years team. The guy was compromised and the O-Line was not doing a very good job. I will say that 4th and long pass was a pretty good pass but was dropped (like a few others), O'Neil looks good but he was just too limited in mobility and does not have the experience yet to over come such issues. There will be a few more bumps along the way, just hope there is more improvement from week to week then we saw last night. Lets Go Aztec! |
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 8, 2024 18:35:19 GMT -8
Pulling the QB with 4 minutes to go isn"t going to hurt his confidence. He knows he is injured and hobbling. He should have been pulled much earlier to keep him from getting more and serious injury. I don't understand Lewis keeing him in. After all he an Johonson were neck and neck for the starting job. It is not like you put in someone who could not compete. Poor decision on Lewis in my opinion. So, pulling the QB who the coach has made starter from day one in order to put in another guy that has never attempted a pass in a CFB game is going to make the team think, "Gosh, coach really cares, is "courageous" and shows "leadership" to the team then? Got it. And if he came in and stank then people would be on here saying that Lewis "gave up" on O'Neil too early. But, to the question of putting him in on the last two drives still would bring into question that coach Lewis was "giving up" on the game and just wanted to protect his starter from injury. The nice thing about JTJ is that he didn't do anything so we can all feel better by thinking it would have made a difference - the "grass is greener syndrome." Uh yea, I don't understand the rationale of keeping an injured qb out there. |
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