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Post by gamer2101 on Sept 8, 2024 18:39:21 GMT -8
Does anyone think Hoke watched from home and said “Heck, I could’ve done that!”
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Post by sdsuballer on Sept 8, 2024 19:41:33 GMT -8
Does anyone think Hoke watched from home and said “Heck, I could’ve done that!” Nah. He probably in his head said there is a reason why Deion Sanders fired him half way thru the season. Hoke would have ran #15 on every play. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 8, 2024 19:45:17 GMT -8
I was not able to watch the game as I’m out of the country, what did the coaching staff do that it appeared they quit with four minutes to go? With 4:38 left, Lewis sent an already-injured, hobbled O'Neil back into the game where he handed the ball off three straight times for runs straight into the line. They took almost 30 seconds to run every play and punted on 4th and 5 after running on 3rd and 5. Horrible. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 8, 2024 20:06:33 GMT -8
Pulling the QB with 4 minutes to go isn"t going to hurt his confidence. He knows he is injured and hobbling. He should have been pulled much earlier to keep him from getting more and serious injury. I don't understand Lewis keeing him in. After all he an Johonson were neck and neck for the starting job. It is not like you put in someone who could not compete. Poor decision on Lewis in my opinion. So, pulling the QB who the coach has made starter from day one in order to put in another guy that has never attempted a pass in a CFB game is going to make the team think, "Gosh, coach really cares, is "courageous" and shows "leadership" to the team then? Got it. And if he came in and stank then people would be on here saying that Lewis "gave up" on O'Neil too early. But, to the question of putting him in on the last two drives still would bring into question that coach Lewis was "giving up" on the game and just wanted to protect his starter from injury. The nice thing about JTJ is that he didn't do anything so we can all feel better by thinking it would have made a difference - the "grass is greener syndrome." No, you put the #2 guy in there for a couple of reasons. #1) O'Neil was hurt. Keep him in there, and you're risking further injury. #2) You put him in there to see if he can spark the team. Also, if doing that in that type of situation hurts O'Neil's confidence, then he's not mentally ready for D1 football, that's for sure. The guy was hurt. I'm sure he would understand the switch. Also, you don't just simply hand the ball off with over 4 minutes to go only because your starting QB is injured. If that's the case, YOU GET HIM THE HECK OUT OF THERE!!! Yes, I'm screaming, it was that ridiculous. It's a no brainer situation. That means he's REALLY hurt if you're only handing it off with that much time to go. Sheesh. If I'm a player on the sidelines, I would be questioning it, big time, let alone as a fan. You know who's confidence may be hurt out of that situation? Johnson and Duffy. "Hey Coach, are you telling me that you think I'm that bad that you wouldn't put me in at the end of the game down by 21 points with 4 minutes left, and our QB's hurt?" "Heck, let me hand the ball off, at least, to avoid possible further injury to O'Neil." "I can do that." "Wow." "I'm outta here." That's what I would think. |
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Post by jdaztec on Sept 8, 2024 20:37:13 GMT -8
Yeah, I didn't think it made sense having O neill in the last few series either....
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 9, 2024 2:48:16 GMT -8
Does anyone think Hoke watched from home and said “Heck, I could’ve done that!” He would have ran Cooper three straight tries up the gut on the goal line The problem is Hoke never would have called the pass play to get us there. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 9, 2024 2:52:20 GMT -8
Pulling the QB with 4 minutes to go isn"t going to hurt his confidence. He knows he is injured and hobbling. He should have been pulled much earlier to keep him from getting more and serious injury. I don't understand Lewis keeing him in. After all he an Johonson were neck and neck for the starting job. It is not like you put in someone who could not compete. Poor decision on Lewis in my opinion. So, pulling the QB who the coach has made starter from day one in order to put in another guy that has never attempted a pass in a CFB game is going to make the team think, "Gosh, coach really cares, is "courageous" and shows "leadership" to the team then? Got it. And if he came in and stank then people would be on here saying that Lewis "gave up" on O'Neil too early. But, to the question of putting him in on the last two drives still would bring into question that coach Lewis was "giving up" on the game and just wanted to protect his starter from injury. The nice thing about JTJ is that he didn't do anything so we can all feel better by thinking it would have made a difference - the "grass is greener syndrome." Not really O'Neill was hurt and ineffective. Two reasons to pull him. In modern football, coaches often have a package or insert a back up to give the opponent's a different look or their own team a spark. Funny how our offensive innovator does neither Since Lewis's offense involves a QB running wouldn't it behoove him to have a package for his 6'4, NFL size QB2 who runs just as fast if not faster than the starter? |
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Post by docmm on Sept 9, 2024 2:56:40 GMT -8
Yeah, I didn't think it made sense having O neill in the last few series either.... It REALLY didn't make sense to have O'Neil try to score when he had Cooper available and especially because he had already been hurt earlier in the game. What a horrible call. Kenny said Cooper may have potentially been covered on that play but I still think you trust someone with Cooper's pedigree over an injured, 6' Freshman. |
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Post by aztecalum on Sept 9, 2024 4:43:15 GMT -8
Regarding if #2 QB should have played I say yes. From what I recall O'Neill was not named starting QB until 2 weeks before the first game in what was described as a competitive battle. At no point was O'Neill the clear #1 in spring or fall camp. O'Neill's scrimmages were not impressive and he had the least impressive stats of the 3 QB's.
I raise this point because in 8 quarters of D1 football, O'Neill has not been impressive. He throws a lot of 5-8 passes, miss on many passes 15+ yards and arms strength is below average for D1. For an offense that has struggled in 2 straight games where a starter was not named until 2 weeks before the first game it is fair to say in most situations the backup would have been given a chance.
Perhaps these questions will be asked at Coach Lewis press conference this week?
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Sept 9, 2024 4:48:46 GMT -8
I do have the sense that Lewis feels some kind of pressure to start O'Neil no matter what because he was recruiting him to Colorado, then got him to de-commit and follow him to SDSU
I actually really like the ball O'Neil throws and I think he's a competitive gamer. But if he's hurt then he should be replaced. He's just a freshman, and in this offense it seems like the QB is really depended on to carry the offense and make the right call - whether it's who to throw to or making the right read when handing it off or keeping it. Doesn't seem like we can hide an injured QB in this offense
Especially when we have a very talented QB room. TJT and AJ Duffy, a 5 star guy from Florida State. Give one of them a chance if O'Neil is hurt and/or playing poorly
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Post by aztecfred on Sept 9, 2024 6:24:57 GMT -8
So, pulling the QB who the coach has made starter from day one in order to put in another guy that has never attempted a pass in a CFB game is going to make the team think, "Gosh, coach really cares, is "courageous" and shows "leadership" to the team then? Got it. And if he came in and stank then people would be on here saying that Lewis "gave up" on O'Neil too early. But, to the question of putting him in on the last two drives still would bring into question that coach Lewis was "giving up" on the game and just wanted to protect his starter from injury. The nice thing about JTJ is that he didn't do anything so we can all feel better by thinking it would have made a difference - the "grass is greener syndrome." Not really O'Neill was hurt and ineffective. Two reasons to pull him. In modern football, coaches often have a package or insert a back up to give the opponent's a different look or their own team a spark. Funny how our offensive innovator does neither Since Lewis's offense involves a QB running wouldn't it behoove him to have a package for his 6'4, NFL size QB2 who runs just as fast if not faster than the starter? Didn't Lewis say he liked having 2 backs in the backfired? If so, have we seen that yet??? |
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Post by perch on Sept 9, 2024 9:34:02 GMT -8
And did yoiu notice that OSU played their 2nd QB for a couple of series. Gee did that undermine the confidence of the starter?? Get real.
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Post by aztecx on Sept 9, 2024 10:08:27 GMT -8
And did yoiu notice that OSU played their 2nd QB for a couple of series. Gee did that undermine the confidence of the starter?? Get real. O'Neil needs as many reps as possible. |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Sept 9, 2024 10:21:10 GMT -8
And did yoiu notice that OSU played their 2nd QB for a couple of series. Gee did that undermine the confidence of the starter?? Get real. O'Neil needs as many reps as possible. True under most circumstances but not when he's clearly hurting. |
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Post by omnipotentaztec on Sept 9, 2024 10:21:47 GMT -8
It was actually a genius plan. Everyone expected the Aztecs to go with their strength, run Cooper, and avoid their weakness, let ONeil throw. So,... we tricked them. That was it right?
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Post by aztecx on Sept 9, 2024 10:23:56 GMT -8
O'Neil needs as many reps as possible. True under most circumstances but not when he's clearly hurting. I don't think O'Neil was "injured" or Lewis would not have put him back in the game. I would think the brace was a precaution. What this does show is that O'Neil is the clear QB1 going forward and there will be no QB controvery. |
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Post by perch on Sept 9, 2024 10:43:18 GMT -8
He was noticably limping the announcers kept mentioning it. And have O'Neil get as many reps as possible, when he is injured??
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Post by aztecx on Sept 9, 2024 10:45:40 GMT -8
He was noticably limping the announcers kept mentioning it. And have O'Neil get as many reps as possible, when he is injured?? As stated before, if he was "injured" he would not have been in the game, in my opinion |
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 9, 2024 10:47:09 GMT -8
He was noticably limping the announcers kept mentioning it. And have O'Neil get as many reps as possible, when he is injured?? As stated before, if he was "injured" he would not have been in the game, in my opinion If he were not injured, then why was he limping? Players don't limp just to look cool |
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Post by aztecx on Sept 9, 2024 10:50:46 GMT -8
As stated before, if he was "injured" he would not have been in the game, in my opinion If he were not injured, then why was he limping? Players don't limp just to look cool There is a difference between "injury" and being banged up. |
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