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Post by AzTex on Aug 26, 2024 12:05:05 GMT -8
I wonder if Mexico Poly is still available? If you like me remembers Mexico Ploy you must be old like me. Lol I'm about 7 years older than zurac and based on the "69" in your screen name probably 2 years older than you (if that's your graduation year). I remember Mexico Poly. One of the worst teams I've ever seen the Aztecs play against. |
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Post by zurac315 on Aug 26, 2024 16:02:17 GMT -8
If you like me remembers Mexico Ploy you must be old like me. Lol I'm about 7 years older than zurac and based on the "69" in your screen name probably 2 years older than you (if that's your graduation year). I remember Mexico Poly. One of the worst teams I've ever seen the Aztecs play against. Which is precisely why Coryell chose them as a first game of the season.  |
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Post by zbt69 on Aug 26, 2024 16:43:28 GMT -8
If you like me remembers Mexico Ploy you must be old like me. Lol I'm about 7 years older than zurac and based on the "69" in your screen name probably 2 years older than you (if that's your graduation year). I remember Mexico Poly. One of the worst teams I've ever seen the Aztecs play against. Should of graduated in 68 but changed my major so had to take another year to complete the requirements. But only had to take 12 units a semester that year so I was really able to enjoy that last year. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 15, 2024 19:35:32 GMT -8
Writes Jon Wilner of The Mercury News: “The eight remaining schools in the Mountain West will beg and plead for invitations to the Pac-12. But only two are likely to get the call. ... The six Mountain West schools that don’t get called up could be left for the dustbin of major college football. We are simply being honest, folks.”
I've tracked the schools that have been linked by the press to MWC Expansion, but first lets recap the current MWC school status.
MWC = 6-PAC Offers - Phase I
* San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State and Colorado State
MWC PAC consideration - Phase II
* UNLV linked to the PAC, AAC and even Big XII (Nevada Regents linked to Nevada)
* AFA also linked to the PAC & AAC (Army/Navy/AFA)
MWC six remaining
* San Jose State, Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming, Utah State and Nevada
* Stay as FBS Conference and add schools
* Drop to FCS (?)
* San Jose State, New Mexico, Wyoming, Utah State to CUSA
* AFA & UNLV to the AAC or Big XII
* Nevada Regents have linked UNLV & Nevada together (which conferences will be quick to separate)
FBS Linked to MWC
* CUSA Schools: New Mexico State, UTEP (both are extremely likely, unless the MWC dissolves) & Sam Houston State
* Sun Belt: Texas State (said to be a PAC-6 target)
FCS Linked to MWC (FCS must pay $5MM for FBS Membership)
* Big Sky: Sacramento State, UC Davis, Montana State, Montana, Northern Arizona,
* MVC: South Dakota State, South Dakota, North Dakota State, North Dakota
* United (WAC/Atlantic Sun): Tarleton State (said to be an up-and-coming FCS program with tons of money and potential just outside of Dallas-Fort Worth), Idaho
* USD Pioneer League, FCS non-scholarship team has NOT been linked to the MWC
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Post by sleepy on Sept 15, 2024 20:40:28 GMT -8
In SJSU's case, nothing said "We're phoning it in with a soft landing" quite like their football stadium re-do. I think that thing took three years to complete, and it looked like it should've taken 4 months, tops. I was shocked when I saw it on TV last year for the first time. Clearly, they've got other intentions than football for that stadium space. It certainly isn't "D1"-worthy. So maybe they figured they'd be left behind in the realignment shuffle and are prepping to take on the UC Davis, Sac State and Cal Poly's of the world in whatever conferences those schools are in. In the meantime, they'll take the MWC paydays because even that meager amount is better than what's coming down the road for them.
It's just not a priority for SJSU, which is fine.
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Post by AzTex on Sept 15, 2024 21:18:17 GMT -8
In SJSU's case, nothing said "We're phoning it in with a soft landing" quite like their football stadium re-do. I think that thing took three years to complete, and it looked like it should've taken 4 months, tops. I was shocked when I saw it on TV last year for the first time. Clearly, they've got other intentions than football for that stadium space. It certainly isn't "D1"-worthy. So maybe they figured they'd be left behind in the realignment shuffle and are prepping to take on the UC Davis, Sac State and Cal Poly's of the world in whatever conferences those schools are in. In the meantime, they'll take the MWC paydays because even that meager amount is better than what's coming down the road for them. It's just not a priority for SJSU, which is fine. Sad in many ways. SJSU was University Division (equivalent to Division 1 now) back when we were College Division (equivalent to Division 2 now) back in the Coryell days. They played CAL and Stanford on a regular basis and beat them occasionally. At least they haven't dropped football like many peers in those days. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 15, 2024 21:24:39 GMT -8
Banner news for WSU and OSU prompts a question: What was Gloria Nevarez thinking?
247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/banner-news-for-wsu-and-osu-prompts-a-question-what-was-gloria-nevarez-thinking-236121301/ (I've sited the source, and included the link for your review, I don't agree with all that is written, but its from "the Cougs/Beavs" POV)IF THIS WERE A POKER GAME, Mountain West Commissioner Gloria Nevarez overplayed her hand in an epic way.
The Pac-12 made it official this morning it has secured deal with San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State and Colorado State to join the conference in 2026. That is catastrophic news for the Mountain West, because those schools are the "Big Four" in that conference.
And it serves as ignominious testament that Nevarez squandered a golden opportunity that landed on her doorstep out of the blue a year ago.
Nevarez decided to play hardball with Washington State and Oregon State after the Pac-12 imploded rather than welcome and woo them to the Mountain West like 4-star prospects.
Two long-time power conference schools with notable TV audiences were caught in an untenable situation and her conference stood as an island in the storm. But rather than work with the two schools on a mutually beneficial long-term alliance, she opted to extort them.
WSU and OSUs are paying roughly $1 million a game this season to be part of the Mountain West. And the number for next season would have been dramatically higher, perhaps even a doubling, per sources, and that is why scheduling talks broke off for 2025.
If you wonder why the Cougs and Beavs are playing basketball this season as adjunct members of the WCC, it's because Nevarez, hellbent on taking advantage of WSU and OSU, played hardball while WCC commissioner Stu Jackson wrapped the Cougs and Beavs in a warm embrace at a reasonable price.
Trying to figure out Nevarez's end game in all this yields but a one-word conclusion: puzzling. By wooing the Cougs and Beavs she could have landed two proven names with some media rights earnings heft.
The relationship between the CW Network and the two Pac-12 schools is off to a grand start this season. That, coupled with sympathetic ears across the country willing to listen to scheduling ideas, has put the Cougs and Beavs in position to play next football season as independents — an idea once considered impossible. Indeed, one would have to presume the CW and Pac-12 are well down the road on the framework for a broadcasting deal for a rebuilt conference.
The "Big Four" of the Mountain West saw the Cougs and Beavs as lead dogs pulling a sled toward to greater media right revenue under a brand name — the Pac-12 — every sports fan in America recognizes instantly. Jon Wilner of the Mercury News opines that an $11 million annual media rights payout per school is the ballpark for the six teams n0w in the Pac-12. That's far below the Power 4 but roughly double the Mountain West's current payout per school.
The four no doubt weren't optimistic about the Mountain West's next media rights contract and rightly viewed the Cougs and Beavs as the ticket to a brighter tomorrow unencumbered by Hawaii, New Mexico and other Mountain West schools with small budgets.
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Post by laaztec on Sept 15, 2024 21:27:07 GMT -8
In SJSU's case, nothing said "We're phoning it in with a soft landing" quite like their football stadium re-do. I think that thing took three years to complete, and it looked like it should've taken 4 months, tops. I was shocked when I saw it on TV last year for the first time. Clearly, they've got other intentions than football for that stadium space. It certainly isn't "D1"-worthy. So maybe they figured they'd be left behind in the realignment shuffle and are prepping to take on the UC Davis, Sac State and Cal Poly's of the world in whatever conferences those schools are in. In the meantime, they'll take the MWC paydays because even that meager amount is better than what's coming down the road for them. It's just not a priority for SJSU, which is fine. They must be getting some revenue from the IKEA they built on the visitors side of their football stadium. |
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Post by aztech on Sept 15, 2024 21:29:25 GMT -8
If you like me remembers Mexico Ploy you must be old like me. Lol I'm about 7 years older than zurac and based on the "69" in your screen name probably 2 years older than you (if that's your graduation year). I remember Mexico Poly. One of the worst teams I've ever seen the Aztecs play against. You must be pretty old if you fart dust. |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 15, 2024 21:36:14 GMT -8
Would take UNR before Air Force, the Air Force Academy brings very little besides a wacky painful football team and a high altitude campus that makes travel a pain in the Azz.
Travel Partners
Western Conference:
UNLV/SDSU
UNR/FRESNO
Boise/CSU
OSU/WSU
Other teams to be added later or merge with another blown up Conference
*Just say no to Air Force, New Mexico and Wyoming
**Hawaii, USU and San Jose, Not even in the conversation
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 15, 2024 21:54:55 GMT -8
Writes Jon Wilner of The Mercury News: “The eight remaining schools in the Mountain West will beg and plead for invitations to the Pac-12. But only two are likely to get the call. ... The six Mountain West schools that don’t get called up could be left for the dustbin of major college football. We are simply being honest, folks.”I've tracked the schools that have been linked by the press to MWC Expansion, but first lets recap the current MWC school status. MWC = 6-PAC Offers - Phase I * San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State and Colorado State MWC PAC consideration - Phase II* UNLV linked to the PAC, AAC and even Big XII (Nevada Regents linked to Nevada) * AFA also linked to the PAC & AAC (Army/Navy/AFA) MWC six remaining * San Jose State, Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming, Utah State and Nevada * Stay as FBS Conference and add schools * Drop to FCS (?) * San Jose State, New Mexico, Wyoming, Utah State to CUSA * AFA & UNLV to the AAC or Big XII * Nevada Regents have linked UNLV & Nevada together (which conferences will be quick to separate)
FBS Linked to MWC* CUSA Schools: New Mexico State, UTEP (both are extremely likely, unless the MWC dissolves) & Sam Houston State * Sun Belt: Texas State (said to be a PAC-6 target)
FCS Linked to MWC (FCS must pay $5MM for FBS Membership)* Big Sky: Sacramento State, UC Davis, Montana State, Montana, Northern Arizona, * MVC: South Dakota State, South Dakota, North Dakota State, North Dakota * United (WAC/Atlantic Sun): Tarleton State (said to be an up-and-coming FCS program with tons of money and potential just outside of Dallas-Fort Worth), Idaho * USD Pioneer League, FCS non-scholarship team has NOT been linked to the MWC I like UC Davis a lot for the new PAC - great academic program, decent football school, nice sized metropolitan area in Sacramento. Fits the traditional PAC geography. If I was picking I would pick them, but I'm not sure how the new PAC views academic performance. Texas State is a big school (38K enrollment), solid football team, bad academics - just like most of the teams in consideration. Opens up Texas recruiting though, and isn't at altitude. I think they have a really good chance, although it will partly depend on how the new PAC views having a school in Texas - is it a good or bad thing? Utah State makes some sense, they are good in basketball and football. Their academics aren't great - same as UNLV. However, huge MWC exit fee compared to Texas State. UNLV only makes sense in terms of geography, their academics suck, as do their football and basketball teams. Plus the whole Nevada/UNLV Nevada board of regents thing. With Utah State, UNLV, Nevada, New Mexico, I think the new PAC wants to wait to see how everything shakes out - and doesn't necessarily see those schools as being as important as SDSU, Boise, Colorado St. and Fresno State. Air Force to the AAC makes way to much sense for it to not happen. New Mexico State and UTEP to the Mountain West similarly make a lot of sense. Putting New Mexico, New Mexico State and UTEP in the same conference is hilarious, and I hope New Mexico enjoys sharing a conference with their local rivals! I wish UCSD had a football team, they would be a great inclusion - their basketball team is good considering their resources and previous D-2 status, as is their academic prowess. Would be an interesting idea to add them for (non-football) sports - I bet their basketball team would get a lot better with more financial resources. Getting schools like UCSD and Davis in the conference could entice CAL/Stanford to come back. |
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Post by Gundo on Sept 15, 2024 22:45:42 GMT -8
Writes Jon Wilner of The Mercury News: “The eight remaining schools in the Mountain West will beg and plead for invitations to the Pac-12. But only two are likely to get the call. ... The six Mountain West schools that don’t get called up could be left for the dustbin of major college football. We are simply being honest, folks.”I've tracked the schools that have been linked by the press to MWC Expansion, but first lets recap the current MWC school status. MWC = 6-PAC Offers - Phase I * San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State and Colorado State MWC PAC consideration - Phase II* UNLV linked to the PAC, AAC and even Big XII (Nevada Regents linked to Nevada) * AFA also linked to the PAC & AAC (Army/Navy/AFA) MWC six remaining * San Jose State, Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming, Utah State and Nevada * Stay as FBS Conference and add schools * Drop to FCS (?) * San Jose State, New Mexico, Wyoming, Utah State to CUSA * AFA & UNLV to the AAC or Big XII * Nevada Regents have linked UNLV & Nevada together (which conferences will be quick to separate)
FBS Linked to MWC* CUSA Schools: New Mexico State, UTEP (both are extremely likely, unless the MWC dissolves) & Sam Houston State * Sun Belt: Texas State (said to be a PAC-6 target)
FCS Linked to MWC (FCS must pay $5MM for FBS Membership)* Big Sky: Sacramento State, UC Davis, Montana State, Montana, Northern Arizona, * MVC: South Dakota State, South Dakota, North Dakota State, North Dakota * United (WAC/Atlantic Sun): Tarleton State (said to be an up-and-coming FCS program with tons of money and potential just outside of Dallas-Fort Worth), Idaho * USD Pioneer League, FCS non-scholarship team has NOT been linked to the MWC I like UC Davis a lot for the new PAC - great academic program, decent football school, nice sized metropolitan area in Sacramento. Fits the traditional PAC geography. If I was picking I would pick them, but I'm not sure how the new PAC views academic performance. Texas State is a big school (38K enrollment), solid football team, bad academics - just like most of the teams in consideration. Opens up Texas recruiting though, and isn't at altitude. I think they have a really good chance, although it will partly depend on how the new PAC views having a school in Texas - is it a good or bad thing? Utah State makes some sense, they are good in basketball and football. Their academics aren't great - same as UNLV. However, huge MWC exit fee compared to Texas State. UNLV only makes sense in terms of geography, their academics suck, as do their football and basketball teams. Plus the whole Nevada/UNLV Nevada board of regents thing. With Utah State, UNLV, Nevada, New Mexico, I think the new PAC wants to wait to see how everything shakes out - and doesn't necessarily see those schools as being as important as SDSU, Boise, Colorado St. and Fresno State. Air Force to the AAC makes way to much sense for it to not happen. New Mexico State and UTEP to the Mountain West similarly make a lot of sense. Putting New Mexico, New Mexico State and UTEP in the same conference is hilarious, and I hope New Mexico enjoys sharing a conference with their local rivals! I wish UCSD had a football team, they would be a great inclusion - their basketball team is good considering their resources and previous D-2 status, as is their academic prowess. Would be an interesting idea to add them for (non-football) sports - I bet their basketball team would get a lot better with more financial resources. Getting schools like UCSD and Davis in the conference could entice CAL/Stanford to come back. Respectfully, I doubt the PAC is looking for an FCS school right now. The UCD Athletic Department spend is about ~40MM (slightly less than SJSU) but their stadium only seats 10K (below the FBS threshold level, plus would have to pay $5MM for FBS membership). However, only UCLA, Berkeley and Davis supports football. UC Davis and Sacramento State are more likely to fight it out for a MWC invite, than the PAC. Sac State has local government support, but I haven't heard much about UCD and the UC Regents. Lastly, the MWC will have a BIG BANK account to add schools, or to incentivize schools to stay in 2026. That will be important given the PAC, may also poach MWC Linear Broadcast partners FOX/CBS who sell one-off rights to ESPN. The MWC broadcast rights end 2025/26, as well, the pay day is likely to decline given the loss of SDSU, Boise St, Colorado St and Fresno St. plus the likely loss of UNLV and AFA, will equate the MWC to the same level as CUSA. |
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 16, 2024 3:53:02 GMT -8
Banner news for WSU and OSU prompts a question: What was Gloria Nevarez thinking?
247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/banner-news-for-wsu-and-osu-prompts-a-question-what-was-gloria-nevarez-thinking-236121301/ (I've sited the source, and included the link for your review, I don't agree with all that is written, but its from "the Cougs/Beavs" POV)IF THIS WERE A POKER GAME, Mountain West Commissioner Gloria Nevarez overplayed her hand in an epic way.
The Pac-12 made it official this morning it has secured deal with San Diego State, Fresno State, Boise State and Colorado State to join the conference in 2026. That is catastrophic news for the Mountain West, because those schools are the "Big Four" in that conference.
And it serves as ignominious testament that Nevarez squandered a golden opportunity that landed on her doorstep out of the blue a year ago.
Nevarez decided to play hardball with Washington State and Oregon State after the Pac-12 imploded rather than welcome and woo them to the Mountain West like 4-star prospects.
Two long-time power conference schools with notable TV audiences were caught in an untenable situation and her conference stood as an island in the storm. But rather than work with the two schools on a mutually beneficial long-term alliance, she opted to extort them.
WSU and OSUs are paying roughly $1 million a game this season to be part of the Mountain West. And the number for next season would have been dramatically higher, perhaps even a doubling, per sources, and that is why scheduling talks broke off for 2025.
If you wonder why the Cougs and Beavs are playing basketball this season as adjunct members of the WCC, it's because Nevarez, hellbent on taking advantage of WSU and OSU, played hardball while WCC commissioner Stu Jackson wrapped the Cougs and Beavs in a warm embrace at a reasonable price.
Trying to figure out Nevarez's end game in all this yields but a one-word conclusion: puzzling. By wooing the Cougs and Beavs she could have landed two proven names with some media rights earnings heft.
The relationship between the CW Network and the two Pac-12 schools is off to a grand start this season. That, coupled with sympathetic ears across the country willing to listen to scheduling ideas, has put the Cougs and Beavs in position to play next football season as independents — an idea once considered impossible. Indeed, one would have to presume the CW and Pac-12 are well down the road on the framework for a broadcasting deal for a rebuilt conference.
The "Big Four" of the Mountain West saw the Cougs and Beavs as lead dogs pulling a sled toward to greater media right revenue under a brand name — the Pac-12 — every sports fan in America recognizes instantly. Jon Wilner of the Mercury News opines that an $11 million annual media rights payout per school is the ballpark for the six teams n0w in the Pac-12. That's far below the Power 4 but roughly double the Mountain West's current payout per school.
The four no doubt weren't optimistic about the Mountain West's next media rights contract and rightly viewed the Cougs and Beavs as the ticket to a brighter tomorrow unencumbered by Hawaii, New Mexico and other Mountain West schools with small budgets.
Is anyone shocked by this? The mwc has been mismanaged since its inception. Neveraz takes direction for the presidents. It’s the presidents who fd up. My only regret is that it took us 26 years to leave this $#!+ hole. |
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Post by McQuervo on Sept 16, 2024 6:37:48 GMT -8
With you Chris, she is not the issue here just the representative for those morons.
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Post by gentlesaztec on Sept 16, 2024 8:38:38 GMT -8
MW is not looking too good. This week we are proud to say we have 5 teams make the bottom 25. CS 25, AF 23, NEV 15, NM 4., and WY at 3.
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Sept 16, 2024 8:44:34 GMT -8
MW is not looking too good. This week we are proud to say we have 5 teams make the bottom 25. CS 25, AF 23, NEV 15, NM 4., and WY at 3. Are we now considered a PAC school? How did we not make that list? |
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Post by perch on Sept 16, 2024 8:50:50 GMT -8
I remember Mexico Poly. In the week before the game Coryell built them up as though they were the second coming of the Green Bay Packers. He said they aren't very big but boy they are really fast! Coryell always did that, built up the opposing team so they sounded great.
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Post by Cwag on Sept 16, 2024 8:51:28 GMT -8
Future possible MWC:
Nevada
Utah State
Wyoming
Hawaii
San Jose State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota State
UC Davis
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Post by AzTex on Sept 16, 2024 9:53:34 GMT -8
I'm about 7 years older than zurac and based on the "69" in your screen name probably 2 years older than you (if that's your graduation year). I remember Mexico Poly. One of the worst teams I've ever seen the Aztecs play against. You must be pretty old if you fart dust. No dust yet. But yep, I'm pretty old. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 16, 2024 10:10:58 GMT -8
With you Chris, she is not the issue here just the representative for those morons. the mw played hard ball with state with the BE climb down, the exit fee increase, increasing the bball schedule to 18 to 20, and recently the pac transition. |
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