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Post by uwphoto on Aug 28, 2024 6:20:47 GMT -8
"If Jesus could count the votes, I'd win California"
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 17:24:18 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 17:27:16 GMT -8
Can't keep up with it. I saw on a Fox News blip that they had Trump ahead in Georgia in this morning. Back and forth. We'll really know after the election, or day of.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 17:29:48 GMT -8
Can't keep up with it. I saw on a Fox News blip that they had Trump ahead in Georgia in this morning. Back and forth. We'll really know after the election, or day of. New polls come out every week. Not really that hard to keep up.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 17:37:44 GMT -8
Can't keep up with it. I saw on a Fox News blip that they had Trump ahead in Georgia in this morning. Back and forth. We'll really know after the election, or day of. New polls come out every week. Not really that hard to keep up. Yeah, but the race is so tight, you won't have a good feel for who it may be until election day, and that may not be enough.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 28, 2024 17:45:02 GMT -8
New polls come out every week. Not really that hard to keep up. Yeah, but the race is so tight, you won't have a good feel for who it may be until election day, and that may not be enough. The US and global embarrassment in a trump presidency would be unbearable. Hitorically, we at least respected the office. Is America stupid enough to elect someone who is despicable as a human and has character flaws worthy of an intervention and placement in an institution?
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 17:45:54 GMT -8
New polls come out every week. Not really that hard to keep up. Yeah, but the race is so tight, you won't have a good feel for who it may be until election day, and that may not be enough. That's really not accurate. This is the post-convention poll, where you would expect a bump for Harris. Harris is going to win the popular vote by a significant margin. The fact she's routinely closing ground on Trump really shouldn't surprise anyone, as Trump's glass ceiling has been on display for two election cycles.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 18:56:14 GMT -8
Yeah, but the race is so tight, you won't have a good feel for who it may be until election day, and that may not be enough. That's really not accurate. This is the post-convention poll, where you would expect a bump for Harris. Harris is going to win the popular vote by a significant margin. The fact she's routinely closing ground on Trump really shouldn't surprise anyone, as Trump's glass ceiling has been on display for two election cycles. Yes, it's accurate. Just like you said it's a bump from the convention, and it can change at any moment, since it's that close. Like I said before, I heard from another Fox News group who were saying that Trump has the lead in Georgia. It'll go back and forth like it did with H. Clinton and Trump, and go down to the wire and change on the last day, or before.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 18:56:57 GMT -8
Yeah, but the race is so tight, you won't have a good feel for who it may be until election day, and that may not be enough. The US and global embarrassment in a trump presidency would be unbearable. Hitorically, we at least respected the office. Is America stupid enough to elect someone who is despicable as a human and has character flaws worthy of an intervention and placement in an institution? Long gone are the days of solid candidates my friend, sadly.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 20:16:07 GMT -8
That's really not accurate. This is the post-convention poll, where you would expect a bump for Harris. Harris is going to win the popular vote by a significant margin. The fact she's routinely closing ground on Trump really shouldn't surprise anyone, as Trump's glass ceiling has been on display for two election cycles. Yes, it's accurate. Just like you said it's a bump from the convention, and it can change at any moment, since it's that close. Like I said before, I heard from another Fox News group who were saying that Trump has the lead in Georgia. It'll go back and forth like it did with H. Clinton and Trump, and go down to the wire and change on the last day, or before. There is no other Fox group, you're literally talking about a completely different poll from two weeks ago. And holy false equivalence on 2016. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 20:35:46 GMT -8
Yes, it's accurate. Just like you said it's a bump from the convention, and it can change at any moment, since it's that close. Like I said before, I heard from another Fox News group who were saying that Trump has the lead in Georgia. It'll go back and forth like it did with H. Clinton and Trump, and go down to the wire and change on the last day, or before. There is no other Fox group, you're literally talking about a completely different poll from two weeks ago. And holy false equivalence on 2016. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. Who was leading in most polls the day before the election? Hillary was. Trump won. One or the other could be leading in the polls the day before this election as well, and lose. It's that close. That's my point.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 20:36:06 GMT -8
Yes, it's accurate. Just like you said it's a bump from the convention, and it can change at any moment, since it's that close. Like I said before, I heard from another Fox News group who were saying that Trump has the lead in Georgia. It'll go back and forth like it did with H. Clinton and Trump, and go down to the wire and change on the last day, or before. There is no other Fox group, you're literally talking about a completely different poll from two weeks ago. And holy false equivalence on 2016. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. Yes sensei. Sheesh.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 20:39:30 GMT -8
There is no other Fox group, you're literally talking about a completely different poll from two weeks ago. And holy false equivalence on 2016. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. Who was leading in most polls the day before the election? Hillary was. Trump won. One or the other could be leading in the polls the day before this election as well, and lose. It's that close. That's my point. False equivalence.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 20:40:52 GMT -8
There is no other Fox group, you're literally talking about a completely different poll from two weeks ago. And holy false equivalence on 2016. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. Yes sensei. Sheesh. I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about and when you show up with false statements and a lack of basic statistical understanding, it deserves to be illustrated. This is how we decrease apathy and get people to pay attention. There are no parallels between 2016 and 2024. None. Things that influenced the outcome in 2016 do not exist in 2024.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 28, 2024 20:47:53 GMT -8
There is no other Fox group, you're literally talking about a completely different poll from two weeks ago. And holy false equivalence on 2016. It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about. Who was leading in most polls the day before the election? Hillary was. Trump won. One or the other could be leading in the polls the day before this election as well, and lose. It's that close. That's my point. Unless something drastic changes in Trump's favor he's going to lose. He's done too much to alienate too many people.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 20:53:45 GMT -8
I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about and when you show up with false statements and a lack of basic statistical understanding, it deserves to be illustrated. This is how we decrease apathy and get people to pay attention. There are no parallels between 2016 and 2024. None. Things that influenced the outcome in 2016 do not exist in 2024. Yeah, because I could have been saying the same thing to you when I felt that you didn't know what you were talking about, and you ended up wrong, but I didn't. I'm reactionary, I don't try to start crap. All I'm saying is that someone should not look at polls right now and post their favorites numbers, and gloat. It's going to be close, and could go either way. I understand that most everybody was shocked when Trump won in 2016 and he wasn't the favorite, but this race is genuinely close. Bottom line, don't look at the polls right now.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 28, 2024 20:54:40 GMT -8
Who was leading in most polls the day before the election? Hillary was. Trump won. One or the other could be leading in the polls the day before this election as well, and lose. It's that close. That's my point. Unless something drastic changes in Trump's favor he's going to lose. He's done too much to alienate too many people. That's possible, but I don't think we'll have an actual good grasp of it until they start counting votes.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 21:01:49 GMT -8
Clinton was a MASSIVE favorite in the days leading up to the election. The Comey letter resurfaced, Russia got involved, turnout sunk to 59.2% and polls were off by orders of magnitude.
Trump's popularity hasn't grown since 2016, it's flattened, at best. That's why his ceiling has been consistently capped. He also wasn't under indictment in 2016, wasn't found liable for rape in 2016 and carried women 50-64 and 65+. That's not happening in 2024.
Libertarians took 3.3% of the vote in 2016, their strongest showing since 1996. In 2020, Trump and Biden captured 98.2% of the vote. It's unlikely we have a third party eclipse 3% again, meaning a non-repeat of 2016.
Complete false equivalence.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 28, 2024 21:02:46 GMT -8
I'm sorry, but you clearly don't know what you're talking about and when you show up with false statements and a lack of basic statistical understanding, it deserves to be illustrated. This is how we decrease apathy and get people to pay attention. There are no parallels between 2016 and 2024. None. Things that influenced the outcome in 2016 do not exist in 2024. Yeah, because I could have been saying the same thing to you when I felt that you didn't know what you were talking about, and you ended up wrong, but I didn't. I'm reactionary, I don't try to start crap. All I'm saying is that someone should not look at polls right now and post their favorites numbers, and gloat. It's going to be close, and could go either way. I understand that most everybody was shocked when Trump won in 2016 and he wasn't the favorite, but this race is genuinely close. Bottom line, don't look at the polls right now. You didn't even know what poll you were talking about. Nobody is gloating. I'm not sure what you're talking about beyond that - I know what I'm talking about here. "Close" is a relative term. Harris isn't going to win 80/20, obviously. It's going to be competitive, just like it was in the last two cycles. Biden won by a wide margin, though, relative to the total number of voters.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 29, 2024 20:28:07 GMT -8
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