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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 18, 2024 11:00:44 GMT -8
Well, one cannot say. Right now, if Joe Biden remains on the ticket, it appears that Donald Trump will win. But I am not so sure about that. If Biden is dumped, the whole thing is up in the air.
I'm about to say something that I never thought I'd say; rather than see Biden remain in office, I would rather see Gavin Newsom President. Why? Not because I support the ultra-slick Newsom's policies. It's because Joe Biden is obviously well past the point of no return mentally.
I have always thought that Biden was, at best, a second-rate politician. I have to believe that the vast majority of Democrats, including almost all those in power, can see that Biden is by now dangerously close to extreme senility. Can you imagine Joe in two or three years? The fact is that those who enjoy the power of being close to the POTUS have done their best to cover up for the old man's growing mental incapacity. Nobody can deny that fact any longer.
How about Trump? If Trump were the man that his many followers think he is, I would not be too worried. But he is not that man. He is something worse. He is man who is totally self-absorbed and lacking in self-discipline. (Okay, I admit that at least the first of those two qualities is shared by many politicians.)
Here's another thing about Trump's return. As with his first term, the Democrats will do whatever they can to sabotage his presidency. Don't misunderstand me. The party out of power has the right, actually the responsibility, to oppose the policies of the majority party according to their political beliefs. That's okay. But let's not forget what the Democrats did to Trump. First of all, there were voices calling for the members of the electoral college to overturn the election by voting for the loser. There were members of the House who wanted to impeach Trump immediately. Then there was the Russian collusion hoax. The list goes on and on.
I did not support Trump in 2016 and was critical of many (though not all) of his actions. But after all, he was the President and had the right to pursue his own policies. The Democrats never accepted the legitimacy of his victory in 2016. And yet they say that Trump is the threat to democracy!
Trump's claim that he won in 2020 was the last straw. Well, not the last straw in terms of whom I will vote for.
I think the Democrats and Trump are both threats to democracy. Okay, call me crazy. Here's the thing. I would rather have a centrist Democrat versus a centrist Republican on the ballot this November. The changes in the two major parties make that impossible.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 11:59:43 GMT -8
Well, one cannot say. Right now, if Joe Biden remains on the ticket, it appears that Donald Trump will win. But I am not so sure about that. If Biden is dumped, the whole thing is up in the air.
I'm about to say something that I never thought I'd say; rather than see Biden remain in office, I would rather see Gavin Newsom President. Why? Not because I support the ultra-slick Newsom's policies. It's because Joe Biden is obviously well past the point of no return mentally.
I have always thought that Biden was, at best, a second-rate politician. I have to believe that the vast majority of Democrats, including almost all those in power, can see that Biden is by now dangerously close to extreme senility. Can you imagine Joe in two or three years? The fact is that those who enjoy the power of being close to the POTUS have done their best to cover up for the old man's growing mental incapacity. Nobody can deny that fact any longer.
How about Trump? If Trump were the man that his many followers think he is, I would not be too worried. But he is not that man. He is something worse. He is man who is totally self-absorbed and lacking in self-discipline. (Okay, I admit that at least the first of those two qualities is shared by many politicians.)
Here's another thing about Trump's return. As with his first term, the Democrats will do whatever they can to sabotage his presidency. Don't misunderstand me. The party out of power has the right, actually the responsibility, to oppose the policies of the majority party according to their political beliefs. That's okay. But let's not forget what the Democrats did to Trump. First of all, there were voices calling for the members of the electoral college to overturn the election by voting for the loser. There were members of the House who wanted to impeach Trump immediately. Then there was the Russian collusion hoax. The list goes on and on.
I did not support Trump in 2016 and was critical of many (though not all) of his actions. But after all, he was the President and had the right to pursue his own policies. The Democrats never accepted the legitimacy of his victory in 2016. And yet they say that Trump is the threat to democracy!
Trump's claim that he won in 2020 was the last straw. Well, not the last straw in terms of whom I will vote for.
I think the Democrats and Trump are both threats to democracy. Okay, call me crazy. Here's the thing. I would rather have a centrist Democrat versus a centrist Republican on the ballot this November. The changes in the two major parties make that impossible.
AzWm This didn't need to be a thread. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 12:13:42 GMT -8
Well, one cannot say. Right now, if Joe Biden remains on the ticket, it appears that Donald Trump will win. But I am not so sure about that. If Biden is dumped, the whole thing is up in the air.
I'm about to say something that I never thought I'd say; rather than see Biden remain in office, I would rather see Gavin Newsom President. Why? Not because I support the ultra-slick Newsom's policies. It's because Joe Biden is obviously well past the point of no return mentally.
I have always thought that Biden was, at best, a second-rate politician. I have to believe that the vast majority of Democrats, including almost all those in power, can see that Biden is by now dangerously close to extreme senility. Can you imagine Joe in two or three years? The fact is that those who enjoy the power of being close to the POTUS have done their best to cover up for the old man's growing mental incapacity. Nobody can deny that fact any longer.
How about Trump? If Trump were the man that his many followers think he is, I would not be too worried. But he is not that man. He is something worse. He is man who is totally self-absorbed and lacking in self-discipline. (Okay, I admit that at least the first of those two qualities is shared by many politicians.)
Here's another thing about Trump's return. As with his first term, the Democrats will do whatever they can to sabotage his presidency. Don't misunderstand me. The party out of power has the right, actually the responsibility, to oppose the policies of the majority party according to their political beliefs. That's okay. But let's not forget what the Democrats did to Trump. First of all, there were voices calling for the members of the electoral college to overturn the election by voting for the loser. There were members of the House who wanted to impeach Trump immediately. Then there was the Russian collusion hoax. The list goes on and on.
I did not support Trump in 2016 and was critical of many (though not all) of his actions. But after all, he was the President and had the right to pursue his own policies. The Democrats never accepted the legitimacy of his victory in 2016. And yet they say that Trump is the threat to democracy!
Trump's claim that he won in 2020 was the last straw. Well, not the last straw in terms of whom I will vote for.
I think the Democrats and Trump are both threats to democracy. Okay, call me crazy. Here's the thing. I would rather have a centrist Democrat versus a centrist Republican on the ballot this November. The changes in the two major parties make that impossible.
AzWm "Here's another thing about Trump's return. As with his first term, the Democrats will do whatever they can to sabotage his presidency. Don't misunderstand me. The party out of power has the right, actually the responsibility, to oppose the policies of the majority party according to their political beliefs. That's okay. But let's not forget what the Democrats did to Trump. First of all, there were voices calling for the members of the electoral college to overturn the election by voting for the loser. There were members of the House who wanted to impeach Trump immediately. Then there was the Russian collusion hoax. The list goes on and on." Can we please...stop...repeating easily researched nonsense? Paul Manafort went to PRISON for selling internal polling data to a Russian operative. A BIPARTISAN Senate committee, chaired by a GOP member, found that Russia, did, in fact interfere in the election and tied the Trump campaign to Russian involvement. You would have to be a complete idiot (generally speaking) to believe that there's no connection between events. There's literal video of the Kremlin cheering Trump's victory. Those articles of impeachment, drafted in 2017, were in connection with events that actually happened. The charges were obstruction of justice, for which the remedy, the only remedy, is impeachment. Knowing what we know now, I don't see how an objective individual (which you are not) can argue against that. Trump's pattern of *proven* lawless behavior speaks louder than any of your complaints. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jul 18, 2024 13:33:44 GMT -8
The person that replaces Biden.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 18, 2024 13:51:01 GMT -8
As of today, I would have to say Trump.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jul 18, 2024 14:28:12 GMT -8
Well, one cannot say. Right now, if Joe Biden remains on the ticket, it appears that Donald Trump will win. But I am not so sure about that. If Biden is dumped, the whole thing is up in the air.
I'm about to say something that I never thought I'd say; rather than see Biden remain in office, I would rather see Gavin Newsom President. Why? Not because I support the ultra-slick Newsom's policies. It's because Joe Biden is obviously well past the point of no return mentally.
I have always thought that Biden was, at best, a second-rate politician. I have to believe that the vast majority of Democrats, including almost all those in power, can see that Biden is by now dangerously close to extreme senility. Can you imagine Joe in two or three years? The fact is that those who enjoy the power of being close to the POTUS have done their best to cover up for the old man's growing mental incapacity. Nobody can deny that fact any longer.
How about Trump? If Trump were the man that his many followers think he is, I would not be too worried. But he is not that man. He is something worse. He is man who is totally self-absorbed and lacking in self-discipline. (Okay, I admit that at least the first of those two qualities is shared by many politicians.)
Here's another thing about Trump's return. As with his first term, the Democrats will do whatever they can to sabotage his presidency. Don't misunderstand me. The party out of power has the right, actually the responsibility, to oppose the policies of the majority party according to their political beliefs. That's okay. But let's not forget what the Democrats did to Trump. First of all, there were voices calling for the members of the electoral college to overturn the election by voting for the loser. There were members of the House who wanted to impeach Trump immediately. Then there was the Russian collusion hoax. The list goes on and on.
I did not support Trump in 2016 and was critical of many (though not all) of his actions. But after all, he was the President and had the right to pursue his own policies. The Democrats never accepted the legitimacy of his victory in 2016. And yet they say that Trump is the threat to democracy!
Trump's claim that he won in 2020 was the last straw. Well, not the last straw in terms of whom I will vote for.
I think the Democrats and Trump are both threats to democracy. Okay, call me crazy. Here's the thing. I would rather have a centrist Democrat versus a centrist Republican on the ballot this November. The changes in the two major parties make that impossible.
AzWm If Biden is replaced...which sounds more likely than yesterday...anyone but Harris will result in a definite loss...the Black/Hispanic/Asian caucuses are steadfast with Biden/Harris...it's been made clear by them that if she isn't the nominee...they're going to walk/revolt...so if Biden is replaced...Harris/Whitmer would probably be the ticket...and is capable of defeating Trump. |
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Post by azson on Jul 18, 2024 14:59:18 GMT -8
Well, one cannot say. Right now, if Joe Biden remains on the ticket, it appears that Donald Trump will win. But I am not so sure about that. If Biden is dumped, the whole thing is up in the air.
I'm about to say something that I never thought I'd say; rather than see Biden remain in office, I would rather see Gavin Newsom President. Why? Not because I support the ultra-slick Newsom's policies. It's because Joe Biden is obviously well past the point of no return mentally.
I have always thought that Biden was, at best, a second-rate politician. I have to believe that the vast majority of Democrats, including almost all those in power, can see that Biden is by now dangerously close to extreme senility. Can you imagine Joe in two or three years? The fact is that those who enjoy the power of being close to the POTUS have done their best to cover up for the old man's growing mental incapacity. Nobody can deny that fact any longer.
How about Trump? If Trump were the man that his many followers think he is, I would not be too worried. But he is not that man. He is something worse. He is man who is totally self-absorbed and lacking in self-discipline. (Okay, I admit that at least the first of those two qualities is shared by many politicians.)
Here's another thing about Trump's return. As with his first term, the Democrats will do whatever they can to sabotage his presidency. Don't misunderstand me. The party out of power has the right, actually the responsibility, to oppose the policies of the majority party according to their political beliefs. That's okay. But let's not forget what the Democrats did to Trump. First of all, there were voices calling for the members of the electoral college to overturn the election by voting for the loser. There were members of the House who wanted to impeach Trump immediately. Then there was the Russian collusion hoax. The list goes on and on.
I did not support Trump in 2016 and was critical of many (though not all) of his actions. But after all, he was the President and had the right to pursue his own policies. The Democrats never accepted the legitimacy of his victory in 2016. And yet they say that Trump is the threat to democracy!
Trump's claim that he won in 2020 was the last straw. Well, not the last straw in terms of whom I will vote for.
I think the Democrats and Trump are both threats to democracy. Okay, call me crazy. Here's the thing. I would rather have a centrist Democrat versus a centrist Republican on the ballot this November. The changes in the two major parties make that impossible.
AzWm This didn't need to be a thread. No surprise, Wm's M.O. is to avoid inconvenient arguments/questions/truths in other threads and then disingenuously start new ones. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 15:03:52 GMT -8
This didn't need to be a thread. No surprise, Wm's M.O. is to avoid inconvenient arguments/questions/truths in other threads and then disingenuously start new ones. I'm sure he'll be back in two weeks to rehash the same thing we've talked about 18 times. |
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Post by North County Aztec on Jul 18, 2024 15:57:04 GMT -8
Well, one cannot say. Right now, if Joe Biden remains on the ticket, it appears that Donald Trump will win. But I am not so sure about that. If Biden is dumped, the whole thing is up in the air.
I'm about to say something that I never thought I'd say; rather than see Biden remain in office, I would rather see Gavin Newsom President. Why? Not because I support the ultra-slick Newsom's policies. It's because Joe Biden is obviously well past the point of no return mentally.
I have always thought that Biden was, at best, a second-rate politician. I have to believe that the vast majority of Democrats, including almost all those in power, can see that Biden is by now dangerously close to extreme senility. Can you imagine Joe in two or three years? The fact is that those who enjoy the power of being close to the POTUS have done their best to cover up for the old man's growing mental incapacity. Nobody can deny that fact any longer.
How about Trump? If Trump were the man that his many followers think he is, I would not be too worried. But he is not that man. He is something worse. He is man who is totally self-absorbed and lacking in self-discipline. (Okay, I admit that at least the first of those two qualities is shared by many politicians.)
Here's another thing about Trump's return. As with his first term, the Democrats will do whatever they can to sabotage his presidency. Don't misunderstand me. The party out of power has the right, actually the responsibility, to oppose the policies of the majority party according to their political beliefs. That's okay. But let's not forget what the Democrats did to Trump. First of all, there were voices calling for the members of the electoral college to overturn the election by voting for the loser. There were members of the House who wanted to impeach Trump immediately. Then there was the Russian collusion hoax. The list goes on and on.
I did not support Trump in 2016 and was critical of many (though not all) of his actions. But after all, he was the President and had the right to pursue his own policies. The Democrats never accepted the legitimacy of his victory in 2016. And yet they say that Trump is the threat to democracy!
Trump's claim that he won in 2020 was the last straw. Well, not the last straw in terms of whom I will vote for.
I think the Democrats and Trump are both threats to democracy. Okay, call me crazy. Here's the thing. I would rather have a centrist Democrat versus a centrist Republican on the ballot this November. The changes in the two major parties make that impossible.
AzWm This might be a first. I agree!!! |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 16:00:17 GMT -8
This didn't need to be a thread. This might be a first. I agree!!! I'm sure it's for different reasons. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 18, 2024 18:07:28 GMT -8
Sorry, Ryan. I did not realize that it was necessary to get your approval before starting a thread.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 18:10:31 GMT -8
Sorry, Ryan. I did not realize that it was necessary to get your approval before starting a thread.
AzWm Approval? No. Genuine interest? Yeah. Things that don't need to be rehashed when they are covered in five different threads already? Yeah. I realize that means you actually have to confront some things, but important nonetheless. Would also help if you just didn't post things that are false, too. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Jul 18, 2024 18:14:52 GMT -8
Ryan wrote the following.
Can we please...stop...repeating easily researched nonsense? Paul Manafort went to PRISON for selling internal polling data to a Russian operative. A BIPARTISAN Senate committee, chaired by a GOP member, found that Russia, did, in fact interfere in the election and tied the Trump campaign to Russian involvement. You would have to be a complete idiot (generally speaking) to believe that there's no connection between events. There's literal video of the Kremlin cheering Trump's victory.
A question. Is it your opinion that it was Russian interference that caused Trump to win the 2016 election?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 18:22:27 GMT -8
Ryan wrote the following. Can we please...stop...repeating easily researched nonsense? Paul Manafort went to PRISON for selling internal polling data to a Russian operative. A BIPARTISAN Senate committee, chaired by a GOP member, found that Russia, did, in fact interfere in the election and tied the Trump campaign to Russian involvement. You would have to be a complete idiot (generally speaking) to believe that there's no connection between events. There's literal video of the Kremlin cheering Trump's victory.
A question. Is it your opinion that it was Russian interference that caused Trump to win the 2016 election?
AzWmThat and the timing of the Comey letter, yes. |
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Post by aztecnails on Jul 18, 2024 19:14:59 GMT -8
You can't be serious about newscum. He is solely responsible for screwing the people in California. Other states allowed their residents to be mask free. Yet he lied about the French Laundry incident. My comment comes from my own financial troubles. The 2016 election was because hiliary rotten felon clinton was a horrible candidate after her deplorable comment. No more medical tyranny.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 20:52:58 GMT -8
After this hilariously incoherent, rambling and divisive speech, maybe Jill Stein.
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Post by La Mesa Aztec on Jul 18, 2024 21:31:34 GMT -8
Trump wins unless the Dems nominate someone to run who is sharp. Then they have a chance. But not with "sleepy Joe". Trump was right with that characterization.
I believe the same of the other side. Nominate a sane Republican and he/she wins.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 18, 2024 21:34:50 GMT -8
Trump wins unless the Dems nominate someone to run who is sharp. Then they have a chance. But not with "sleepy Joe". Trump was right with that characterization. I believe the same of the other side. Nominate a sane Republican and he/she wins. Virtually all the polling indicates the exact opposite on the Dem side...and the political reality of trying to reinvent the wheel while ignoring the millions of people who voted for Biden in the primary is a tough sell. I trust the Dems to eat their own, though. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jul 20, 2024 6:49:12 GMT -8
Right now America is arguing between a convicted felon and a man who doesn’t have the mental capacity to live on his own.
Has our country hit rock bottom or can we go even lower?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 20, 2024 7:10:24 GMT -8
Right now America is arguing between a convicted felon and a man who doesn’t have the mental capacity to live on his own. Has our country hit rock bottom or can we go even lower? Or, in a different frame - A convicted felon who tried to overturn an election by force against boring, normal, peaceful democracy. |
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