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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 24, 2024 9:52:03 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up. OK, let's use our critical thinking skills here, shall we? Donald Trump was born rich. His, "Success," in life was due to his father's money. Trump didn't earn a dime without his father's money. Donald was a spoiled rich kid. He has always shown contempt for working class people. Always. He only cares about himself and what he can gain from something. If you think that Donald Trump cares about people like you at all then you're completely delusional. Kamala Harris grew up in a middle class family. She earned her degree and passed the bar. She worked hard and became the District Attorney for San Francisco. LIBERALS complained about her work as District Attorney and, later, Attorney General of California because they thought she was too hard on minorities who she prosecuted for crimes. She was tough enough on crime to piss off other Democrats. So she came up from a working class background, EARNED her spot in the D.A.'s office, won election as Attorney General, did a good job with both, and clearly has proven that she cares about working class people. So if you think Kamala Harris is going to do anything other than try to make life better for the working class, well, you're not using those critical thinking skills. It comes down to this - do you trust a spoiled rich kid who can't manage money worth a damn to care about the working class, or do you trust someone who grew up in the working class who busted her ass to move up in the world to give a damn about the working class? Logic says only one thing - Trump cannot be believed when he says he cares about the working class (his actions over the last 40 years prove that he despises the working glass). Logic also says that Harris cares deeply about the working class because that's who she is and where she came from! Use your critical thinking skills. FYI- Half of Trump's businesses have failed and gone under. His personal finances have been no better as he filed for bankruptcy SIX TIMES. Again, use your critical thinking skills - do you really want someone who is a failure in managing businesses and managing money to run the government? Only an idiot would want someone to fail upwards like that.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2024 9:58:41 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up. 66% of Americans lived paycheck to paycheck in 2018, per the BLS. "A better America" is a hilarious description for one of the worst presidents we've ever had - Not everything is about a manufactured border crisis.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 24, 2024 10:00:19 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up. trump gives interviews to the media, so he can add to smoke n mirrors and confusion. Makes manipulation easier. Where else would you find put that rising sea level creates more oceanfront property? And I'm excited to hear more about Hannibal Lecter and sinking electric boats...with circling sharks.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 24, 2024 15:08:39 GMT -8
Sure, but if enough people vote in that manner, then the third party becomes relevant. I know that voting for Trump or Harris will not see a third party gain power. I know that voting for Kennedy or Stein means that there is a chance that a third party gains power. It may not happen this election - it may be in 2028 or 2032. But I can say with near-certainty that voting for Harris or Trump will not change anything. When you've got a candidate who has made it clear that he is going to impose fascist ideas into the Executive Branch it kind of seems a little more important to defeat that candidate than trying to maybe, somehow, desperately trying to give 3rd party candidates a shot in 8 years. That vote for a 3rd party candidate can happen next time. This election is far too important to screw around like that. Trump is quite possibly the greatest threat to the stability of the U.S. Government in modern history. Defeating him is more important than anything else. You have a valid point, but I do hate the general dismissal of 3rd party votes in general that seems to be pervasive among party-line voters.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 24, 2024 17:32:26 GMT -8
When you've got a candidate who has made it clear that he is going to impose fascist ideas into the Executive Branch it kind of seems a little more important to defeat that candidate than trying to maybe, somehow, desperately trying to give 3rd party candidates a shot in 8 years. That vote for a 3rd party candidate can happen next time. This election is far too important to screw around like that. Trump is quite possibly the greatest threat to the stability of the U.S. Government in modern history. Defeating him is more important than anything else. You have a valid point, but I do hate the general dismissal of 3rd party votes in general that seems to be pervasive among party-line voters. I voted for Gary Johnson and William Weld twice. I honestly thought they would have made a better team than anyone else running at that point. But that time has passed, and we have a threat to the very core of Democracy. Trump has promised to make changes that would literally curtail some aspects of Democracy that are the guard rails to keep us from going off the road into autocaracy. Trump would be an absolute disaster for this country given the Project 2025 plan that his own people came up with. He can try to lie and say he doesn't know anything about it - but almost everyone involved in it has worked for him! This is not the election to go Third Party. It's just not. Next time, with Trump finally gone, sure. Go for it! I might even join you, depending on the candidates! But not this time.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 24, 2024 17:41:48 GMT -8
You have a valid point, but I do hate the general dismissal of 3rd party votes in general that seems to be pervasive among party-line voters. I voted for Gary Johnson and William Weld twice. I honestly thought they would have made a better team than anyone else running at that point. But that time has passed, and we have a threat to the very core of Democracy. Trump has promised to make changes that would literally curtail some aspects of Democracy that are the guard rails to keep us from going off the road into autocaracy. Trump would be an absolute disaster for this country given the Project 2025 plan that his own people came up with. He can try to lie and say he doesn't know anything about it - but almost everyone involved in it has worked for him! This is not the election to go Third Party. It's just not. Next time, with Trump finally gone, sure. Go for it! I might even join you, depending on the candidates! But not this time. I don't think I could handle another 4 years of frump. He brings everybody down..even his hard-core followers don't realize what he's done to them. Don't beleive me? Watch what he does to rfk jr. after he's done with him. I consider RFK Jr to be a damaged individual. He appears vulnerable. He will rue the day he signed on with trump...his career is over.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 24, 2024 21:46:07 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up. 66% of Americans lived paycheck to paycheck in 2018, per the BLS. "A better America" is a hilarious description for one of the worst presidents we've ever had - Not everything is about a manufactured border crisis. The conservative Supreme Court has destroyed a lot of the relief that Biden has tried to provide like student loan forgiveness. I still believe that the Democrats are really out of touch with the youth in this country, and it may come back to bite them. The student loan forgiveness was throwing a bone to Bernie democrats, but the way they have handled Gaza has been completely out of touch. Harris telling people not to ask her direct questions about rebuking Netanyahu (something to that effect) or "we will lose the election" is just spineless. Not inviting uncommitted Democrats to speak at the DNC. Not getting Biden out of there before the primary. The party has a lot of issues right now. RFK may have a lot of issues, but he is right that censorship is bad for democracy, not having a Democratic primary is bad for Democracy, and forcing people to take vaccines and lying about the vaccines and their effectiveness is also bad for democracy. Not bad enough that I would vote for Trump, but I think people on the left are missing just how screwed up the Democratic party has been lately.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2024 22:00:14 GMT -8
66% of Americans lived paycheck to paycheck in 2018, per the BLS. "A better America" is a hilarious description for one of the worst presidents we've ever had - Not everything is about a manufactured border crisis. The conservative Supreme Court has destroyed a lot of the relief that Biden has tried to provide like student loan forgiveness. I still believe that the Democrats are really out of touch with the youth in this country, and it may come back to bite them. The student loan forgiveness was throwing a bone to Bernie democrats, but the way they have handled Gaza has been completely out of touch. Harris telling people not to ask her direct questions about rebuking Netanyahu (something to that effect) or "we will lose the election" is just spineless. Not inviting uncommitted Democrats to speak at the DNC. Not getting Biden out of there before the primary. The party has a lot of issues right now. RFK may have a lot of issues, but he is right that censorship is bad for democracy, not having a Democratic primary is bad for Democracy, and forcing people to take vaccines and lying about the vaccines and their effectiveness is also bad for democracy. Not bad enough that I would vote for Trump, but I think people on the left are missing just how screwed up the Democratic party has been lately. Disagree, but fair.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 24, 2024 23:56:37 GMT -8
66% of Americans lived paycheck to paycheck in 2018, per the BLS. "A better America" is a hilarious description for one of the worst presidents we've ever had - Not everything is about a manufactured border crisis. The conservative Supreme Court has destroyed a lot of the relief that Biden has tried to provide like student loan forgiveness. I still believe that the Democrats are really out of touch with the youth in this country, and it may come back to bite them. The student loan forgiveness was throwing a bone to Bernie democrats, but the way they have handled Gaza has been completely out of touch. Harris telling people not to ask her direct questions about rebuking Netanyahu (something to that effect) or "we will lose the election" is just spineless. Not inviting uncommitted Democrats to speak at the DNC. Not getting Biden out of there before the primary. The party has a lot of issues right now. RFK may have a lot of issues, but he is right that censorship is bad for democracy, not having a Democratic primary is bad for Democracy, and forcing people to take vaccines and lying about the vaccines and their effectiveness is also bad for democracy. Not bad enough that I would vote for Trump, but I think people on the left are missing just how screwed up the Democratic party has been lately. I agree with a lot of this.
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Post by aztecmusician on Aug 25, 2024 10:44:12 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up. trump gives interviews to the media, so he can add to smoke n mirrors and confusion. Makes manipulation easier. Where else would you find put that rising sea level creates more oceanfront property? And I'm excited to hear more about Hannibal Lecter and sinking electric boats...with circling sharks. The best thing the media could possibly do to get Trump elected would be to just ignore him and cover something else. That works in California with GOP gubernatorial candidates. Out of sight, out of mind, out of office.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 25, 2024 11:06:00 GMT -8
trump gives interviews to the media, so he can add to smoke n mirrors and confusion. Makes manipulation easier. Where else would you find put that rising sea level creates more oceanfront property? And I'm excited to hear more about Hannibal Lecter and sinking electric boats...with circling sharks. The best thing the media could possibly do to get Trump elected would be to just ignore him and cover something else. That works in California with GOP gubernatorial candidates. Out of sight, out of mind, out of office. Doesn't work on a national level.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 25, 2024 13:22:52 GMT -8
trump gives interviews to the media, so he can add to smoke n mirrors and confusion. Makes manipulation easier. Where else would you find put that rising sea level creates more oceanfront property? And I'm excited to hear more about Hannibal Lecter and sinking electric boats...with circling sharks. The best thing the media could possibly do to get Trump elected would be to just ignore him and cover something else. That works in California with GOP gubernatorial candidates. Out of sight, out of mind, out of office. That supposes that the job of the media is to get one of the major party candidates elected. Wouldn't that just make them a de facto part of one of the party's electoral apparatus? Seems to me that this is the way the media operates in one-party countries such as China or Russia.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 25, 2024 13:25:34 GMT -8
The best thing the media could possibly do to get Trump elected would be to just ignore him and cover something else. That works in California with GOP gubernatorial candidates. Out of sight, out of mind, out of office. That supposes that the job of the media is to get one of the major party candidates elected. Wouldn't that just make them a de facto part of one of the party's electoral apparatus? Seems to me that this is the way the media operates in one-party countries such as China or Russia.
AzWm
Fox News was sued for $787B for defamation related to electoral fraud against Dominion Voting Systems.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 25, 2024 13:42:13 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up. No, you wake up, hack. Remain in Mexico was a cruel, arcane policy that left vulnerable asylum seekers in dangerous circumstances. Children were separated from their families as a deterrent protocol, many of them were never reunited at all. The border was not mostly "secure" - Gotaways happened under Trump, too. The demographics of people crossing the border have changed completely since COVID. I'm not afraid of brown people, who contribute to the economy and perform low wage jobs that keep businesses like hotels and offices running, low wage jobs that ordinary citizens don't want. Get a clue and go back to work. I agree, at least largely, with that sentiment. But do you not see the dangers of a mostly open border? It is in this country's interest to make sure that immgrants are vetted before entering. No doubt the vast majority of the immigrants simply want a better life. On the other hand, a portion of them are not people we would want to welcome.
One danger in allowing people to come across the border without documentation is that they become subject to abuse from unscrupulous employers or gangs. In any case, how many immigrants do we want to let in each year? A million? 10 million? 20 million? I could be wrong, but I think that there are few countries who simply let in as many people as possible.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 25, 2024 14:08:15 GMT -8
No, you wake up, hack. Remain in Mexico was a cruel, arcane policy that left vulnerable asylum seekers in dangerous circumstances. Children were separated from their families as a deterrent protocol, many of them were never reunited at all. The border was not mostly "secure" - Gotaways happened under Trump, too. The demographics of people crossing the border have changed completely since COVID. I'm not afraid of brown people, who contribute to the economy and perform low wage jobs that keep businesses like hotels and offices running, low wage jobs that ordinary citizens don't want. Get a clue and go back to work. I agree, at least largely, with that sentiment. But do you not see the dangers of a mostly open border? It is in this country's interest to make sure that immgrants are vetted before entering. No doubt the vast majority of the immigrants simply want a better life. On the other hand, a portion of them are not people we would want to welcome.
One danger in allowing people to come across the border without documentation is that they become subject to abuse from unscrupulous employers or gangs. In any case, how many immigrants do we want to let in each year? A million? 10 million? 20 million? I could be wrong, but I think that there are few countries who simply let in as many people as possible.
AzWmThe border is not open. Millions of people are apprehended crossing the border illegally every year. That hasn't changed under the Biden Administration. A lot of Republicans and their allies on Fox News want you to believe that the border is open, but it's just not. And there was a comprehensive immigration/border bill that was negotiated a year ago, and it gave Republicans about 90% of what they wanted. Who shot it down? Donald Trump. Fox News presented it as a bad bill, but it was praised by a bunch of hardline Republicans - until Trump told them to vote against it, then they suddenly thought it was a bad bill. President Biden was eager to sign it, but Trump didn't want him to get a win, so he gave orders for Republicans to vote against it unless they wanted to be challenged by MAGA in their next primaries.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 25, 2024 14:13:29 GMT -8
No, you wake up, hack. Remain in Mexico was a cruel, arcane policy that left vulnerable asylum seekers in dangerous circumstances. Children were separated from their families as a deterrent protocol, many of them were never reunited at all. The border was not mostly "secure" - Gotaways happened under Trump, too. The demographics of people crossing the border have changed completely since COVID. I'm not afraid of brown people, who contribute to the economy and perform low wage jobs that keep businesses like hotels and offices running, low wage jobs that ordinary citizens don't want. Get a clue and go back to work. I agree, at least largely, with that sentiment. But do you not see the dangers of a mostly open border? It is in this country's interest to make sure that immgrants are vetted before entering. No doubt the vast majority of the immigrants simply want a better life. On the other hand, a portion of them are not people we would want to welcome.
One danger in allowing people to come across the border without documentation is that they become subject to abuse from unscrupulous employers or gangs. In any case, how many immigrants do we want to let in each year? A million? 10 million? 20 million? I could be wrong, but I think that there are few countries who simply let in as many people as possible.
AzWmThe border is not "mostly open." Starting from a false premise leads to a false conclusion. We have had legal and illegal immigration for decades. There have been "gotaways" under every administration. Remember the "migrant caravans" that were going to collapse society? Yeah, neither do I. Undocumented immigrants contribute to the economy in a variety of ways and are an integral part of driving various economic sectors. We need to stop being afraid of immigrants.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 25, 2024 16:44:02 GMT -8
No, you wake up, hack. Remain in Mexico was a cruel, arcane policy that left vulnerable asylum seekers in dangerous circumstances. Children were separated from their families as a deterrent protocol, many of them were never reunited at all. The border was not mostly "secure" - Gotaways happened under Trump, too. The demographics of people crossing the border have changed completely since COVID. I'm not afraid of brown people, who contribute to the economy and perform low wage jobs that keep businesses like hotels and offices running, low wage jobs that ordinary citizens don't want. Get a clue and go back to work. I agree, at least largely, with that sentiment. But do you not see the dangers of a mostly open border? It is in this country's interest to make sure that immgrants are vetted before entering. No doubt the vast majority of the immigrants simply want a better life. On the other hand, a portion of them are not people we would want to welcome.
One danger in allowing people to come across the border without documentation is that they become subject to abuse from unscrupulous employers or gangs. In any case, how many immigrants do we want to let in each year? A million? 10 million? 20 million? I could be wrong, but I think that there are few countries who simply let in as many people as possible.
AzWmOur country is a county of immigrants. We are all immigrants, with the exception of the natives.
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Post by azson on Aug 26, 2024 7:52:58 GMT -8
Again with the false equivalence? And you wonder why Ryan so often gives you a hard time on this board? Maybe your answer here says a lot about you. Having a difference of opinion doesn't give another person a reason to be crappy to them, or speak crappy to them, etc, etc.... I will say that Ryan has been much better towards me in that regard, which I appreciate. To me, Trump and Harris both have their issues, and yes, Trump may have more baggage, although the opinion on Harris can't be completely formed yet. I have to call you out on your self-avowed "Christian" designation. No true Christian could look at Harris' track record and behavior (e.g. her acceptance speech), then behavior/speech by Trump, and consider them anywhere close to the same. If Jesus exists, He would loathe Trump and anyone who has voted for him or supported him. Hopefully He forgives you.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 26, 2024 8:06:59 GMT -8
Maybe your answer here says a lot about you. Having a difference of opinion doesn't give another person a reason to be crappy to them, or speak crappy to them, etc, etc.... I will say that Ryan has been much better towards me in that regard, which I appreciate. To me, Trump and Harris both have their issues, and yes, Trump may have more baggage, although the opinion on Harris can't be completely formed yet. I have to call you out on your self-avowed "Christian" designation. No true Christian could look at Harris' track record and behavior (e.g. her acceptance speech), then behavior/speech by Trump, and consider them anywhere close to the same. If Jesus exists, he would loathe Trump and anyone who has voted for him or supported him. Hopefully He forgives you. I'm sorry, but this is quite humorous. Jesus does not loathe any human being. He loathes sin, so let's get that straight. But yes, Jesus forgives me for the many sins I commit, without failure, thank God. I don't expect an Atheist as yourself to know this, so it's understandable why you may post such a thing. Having said that, it's quite a coincidence that you posted that because I was rethinking what I said about Harris, that she's a train wreck. She hasn't held that title yet, and I think that was unfair of me to say that and I was sincerely going to post just that. I just happen to not be a fan of hers. Trump is a train wreck for a variety of reasons, and if Harris is elected, then I hope she proves me wrong about my feelings for her. I have always been someone that will support whatever President that has been elected, until they prove otherwise.
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Post by azson on Aug 26, 2024 8:12:30 GMT -8
I have to call you out on your self-avowed "Christian" designation. No true Christian could look at Harris' track record and behavior (e.g. her acceptance speech), then behavior/speech by Trump, and consider them anywhere close to the same. If Jesus exists, he would loathe Trump and anyone who has voted for him or supported him. Hopefully He forgives you. I'm sorry, but this is quite humorous. Jesus does not loathe any human being. He loathes sin, so let's get that straight. But yes, Jesus forgives me for the many sins I commit, without failure, thank God. I don't expect an Atheist as yourself to know this, so it's understandable why you may post such a thing. Having said that, it's quite a coincidence that you posted that because I was rethinking what I said about Harris, that she's a train wreck. She hasn't held that title yet, and I think that was unfair of me to say that and I was sincerely going to post just that. I just happen to not be a fan of hers. Trump is a train wreck for a variety of reasons, and if Harris is elected, then I hope she proves me wrong about my feelings for her. I have always been someone that will support whatever President that has been elected, until they prove otherwise. Thank you for reconsidering. And I'm not an atheist, rather a None (believe in a non-denominational higher power).
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