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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2024 13:25:33 GMT -8
I said the person who replaces Biden before Biden withdrew would win the election. But why are people voting for Harris? Is it because the last time she was in a primary she finished in like 15th place? Is it because her debates this year have been remarkable? The policies she’s laid out for her 4 years? I get Trump is a felon and people are not falling for the we are going to do things so great, greater than they’ve been done before, just so so great. But you are fighting over do I want to be hit by a bat or stabbed in the stomach when you could decide I think I’ll just walk down the other street. And waste a vote in the most important election of our lifetime? Hard pass.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 23, 2024 14:09:27 GMT -8
I said the person who replaces Biden before Biden withdrew would win the election. But why are people voting for Harris? Is it because the last time she was in a primary she finished in like 15th place? Is it because her debates this year have been remarkable? The policies she’s laid out for her 4 years? I get Trump is a felon and people are not falling for the we are going to do things so great, greater than they’ve been done before, just so so great. But you are fighting over do I want to be hit by a bat or stabbed in the stomach when you could decide I think I’ll just walk down the other street. Did you even bother to watch Kamala's speech last night? If you had you would actually feel pretty good about voting for her. This is easily the most clear cut choice in a Presidential election in my lifetime.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 23, 2024 14:41:20 GMT -8
I said the person who replaces Biden before Biden withdrew would win the election. But why are people voting for Harris? Is it because the last time she was in a primary she finished in like 15th place? Is it because her debates this year have been remarkable? The policies she’s laid out for her 4 years? I get Trump is a felon and people are not falling for the we are going to do things so great, greater than they’ve been done before, just so so great. But you are fighting over do I want to be hit by a bat or stabbed in the stomach when you could decide I think I’ll just walk down the other street. Pretty much nailed it for me. I won't be voting for either train wrecks.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 23, 2024 14:58:55 GMT -8
I was VERY impressed with this speech. It started off pretty well, but after she got past her mother's story the speech ramped up to an all time convention classic. I was really impressed with her, especially her statement that she will put country first (country over party) and reach across the aisle to get things done. There was a lot more really good stuff here, but I just found her really impressive.
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Post by azdick on Aug 23, 2024 15:02:31 GMT -8
I said the person who replaces Biden before Biden withdrew would win the election. But why are people voting for Harris? Is it because the last time she was in a primary she finished in like 15th place? Is it because her debates this year have been remarkable? The policies she’s laid out for her 4 years? I get Trump is a felon and people are not falling for the we are going to do things so great, greater than they’ve been done before, just so so great. But you are fighting over do I want to be hit by a bat or stabbed in the stomach when you could decide I think I’ll just walk down the other street. Pretty much nailed it for me. I won't be voting for either train wrecks. So you’re okay with the loss of a (our) democratic republic. Might want to refresh yourself on Project 2025. Might want to think over the possibilities. Got any grandchildren?
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Post by azson on Aug 23, 2024 15:12:24 GMT -8
I said the person who replaces Biden before Biden withdrew would win the election. But why are people voting for Harris? Is it because the last time she was in a primary she finished in like 15th place? Is it because her debates this year have been remarkable? The policies she’s laid out for her 4 years? I get Trump is a felon and people are not falling for the we are going to do things so great, greater than they’ve been done before, just so so great. But you are fighting over do I want to be hit by a bat or stabbed in the stomach when you could decide I think I’ll just walk down the other street. Pretty much nailed it for me. I won't be voting for either train wrecks. Again with the false equivalence? And you wonder why Ryan so often gives you a hard time on this board?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Aug 23, 2024 15:15:34 GMT -8
I said the person who replaces Biden before Biden withdrew would win the election. But why are people voting for Harris? Is it because the last time she was in a primary she finished in like 15th place? Is it because her debates this year have been remarkable? The policies she’s laid out for her 4 years? I get Trump is a felon and people are not falling for the we are going to do things so great, greater than they’ve been done before, just so so great. But you are fighting over do I want to be hit by a bat or stabbed in the stomach when you could decide I think I’ll just walk down the other street. Pretty much nailed it for me. I won't be voting for either train wrecks. C'EST La Vie. Watch from the sidelines and neither team is yours.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2024 15:18:40 GMT -8
Pretty much nailed it for me. I won't be voting for either train wrecks. Again with the false equivalence? And you wonder why Ryan so often gives you a hard time on this board? I'm right here... First, I think this is a complicated issue. Voter apathy caused by party burnout (artificial or otherwise) is a real thing. And for some, that's as deep as it gets. People default to "the lesser of two evils" and it largely ends there. This is why the incumbent has an inherent advantage, like I've said before. But for the people that are willing to just throw away their vote, that's a concept I'll never grasp. This election is too important.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 23, 2024 15:24:03 GMT -8
Again with the false equivalence? And you wonder why Ryan so often gives you a hard time on this board? I'm right here... First, I think this is a complicated issue. Voter apathy caused by party burnout (artificial or otherwise) is a real thing. And for some, that's as deep as it gets. People default to "the lesser of two evils" and it largely ends there. This is why the incumbent has an inherent advantage, like I've said before. But for the people that are willing to just throw away their vote, that's a concept I'll never grasp. This election is too important. Sure, but if enough people vote in that manner, then the third party becomes relevant. I know that voting for Trump or Harris will not see a third party gain power. I know that voting for Kennedy or Stein means that there is a chance that a third party gains power. It may not happen this election - it may be in 2028 or 2032. But I can say with near-certainty that voting for Harris or Trump will not change anything.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 23, 2024 15:36:20 GMT -8
I'm right here... First, I think this is a complicated issue. Voter apathy caused by party burnout (artificial or otherwise) is a real thing. And for some, that's as deep as it gets. People default to "the lesser of two evils" and it largely ends there. This is why the incumbent has an inherent advantage, like I've said before. But for the people that are willing to just throw away their vote, that's a concept I'll never grasp. This election is too important. Sure, but if enough people vote in that manner, then the third party becomes relevant. I know that voting for Trump or Harris will not see a third party gain power. I know that voting for Kennedy or Stein means that there is a chance that a third party gains power. It may not happen this election - it may be in 2028 or 2032. But I can say with near-certainty that voting for Harris or Trump will not change anything. The 2020 election was 98.2% for either the Democrat or Republican. It would take a monumental shift in ideology (not something we would see in a single cycle) to even make a dent in the two-party system. No third party has anywhere near the traction.
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Post by azson on Aug 23, 2024 15:44:16 GMT -8
I'm right here... First, I think this is a complicated issue. Voter apathy caused by party burnout (artificial or otherwise) is a real thing. And for some, that's as deep as it gets. People default to "the lesser of two evils" and it largely ends there. This is why the incumbent has an inherent advantage, like I've said before. But for the people that are willing to just throw away their vote, that's a concept I'll never grasp. This election is too important. Sure, but if enough people vote in that manner, then the third party becomes relevant. I know that voting for Trump or Harris will not see a third party gain power. I know that voting for Kennedy or Stein means that there is a chance that a third party gains power. It may not happen this election - it may be in 2028 or 2032. But I can say with near-certainty that voting for Harris or Trump will not change anything. Voting for Harris prevents a Trump presidency, which means we remain a democracy and republic in which a 3rd party remains possible. And no I'm not a Democrat honk; I've voted for Nader, Sanders and Stein in the past.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 23, 2024 15:48:47 GMT -8
I'm right here... First, I think this is a complicated issue. Voter apathy caused by party burnout (artificial or otherwise) is a real thing. And for some, that's as deep as it gets. People default to "the lesser of two evils" and it largely ends there. This is why the incumbent has an inherent advantage, like I've said before. But for the people that are willing to just throw away their vote, that's a concept I'll never grasp. This election is too important. Sure, but if enough people vote in that manner, then the third party becomes relevant. I know that voting for Trump or Harris will not see a third party gain power. I know that voting for Kennedy or Stein means that there is a chance that a third party gains power. It may not happen this election - it may be in 2028 or 2032. But I can say with near-certainty that voting for Harris or Trump will not change anything. When you've got a candidate who has made it clear that he is going to impose fascist ideas into the Executive Branch it kind of seems a little more important to defeat that candidate than trying to maybe, somehow, desperately trying to give 3rd party candidates a shot in 8 years. That vote for a 3rd party candidate can happen next time. This election is far too important to screw around like that. Trump is quite possibly the greatest threat to the stability of the U.S. Government in modern history. Defeating him is more important than anything else.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 23, 2024 16:09:53 GMT -8
Pretty much nailed it for me. I won't be voting for either train wrecks. Again with the false equivalence? And you wonder why Ryan so often gives you a hard time on this board? Maybe your answer here says a lot about you. Having a difference of opinion doesn't give another person a reason to be crappy to them, or speak crappy to them, etc, etc.... I will say that Ryan has been much better towards me in that regard, which I appreciate. To me, Trump and Harris both have their issues, and yes, Trump may have more baggage, although the opinion on Harris can't be completely formed yet.
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 23, 2024 16:17:59 GMT -8
Does anybody think that by RFK Jr. endorsing Trump, it will help him? Or, does it actually help Kamala, or nothing significant?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 23, 2024 16:37:48 GMT -8
Does anybody think that by RFK Jr. endorsing Trump, it will help him? Or, does it actually help Kamala, or nothing significant? Nothing significant. RFK Jr has proven to be a nutjob with no traction. He's a non-factor, his endorsement means nothing.
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Post by azdick on Aug 23, 2024 19:44:44 GMT -8
Does anybody think that by RFK Jr. endorsing Trump, it will help him? Or, does it actually help Kamala, or nothing significant? Nothing significant. RFK Jr has proven to be a nutjob with no traction. He's a non-factor, his endorsement means nothing. Oh, I disagree. RFK is a great advocate for groping women, avoiding vaccines that save lives and great story teller for how his brain has been half eaten by parasites, all policy positions that should hugely support the Trump candidacy.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 24, 2024 4:59:43 GMT -8
Nothing significant. RFK Jr has proven to be a nutjob with no traction. He's a non-factor, his endorsement means nothing. Oh, I disagree. RFK is a great advocate for groping women, avoiding vaccines that save lives and great story teller for how his brain has been half eaten by parasites, all policy positions that should hugely support the Trump candidacy. One nutjob....deserves another.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Aug 24, 2024 9:07:50 GMT -8
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Post by aztecnails on Aug 24, 2024 9:38:36 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 24, 2024 9:50:09 GMT -8
Trump gave biden and harris a mostly secure border with the Remain in Mexico policy. biden and harris allowed the biggest invasion ever at the border, over 10 million. Her statement about her saying she is for Americans is a lie. No person who say they love America would allow the border invasion. She failed as border czar and never traveled there. Border crossers wore shirts with the slogan biden: let us in. There is a problem when over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck that democrats caused. The harris speech was filled with lies and why steps must be taken now to fix those 2 issues. Even YouTube videos are calling out harris on policy issues that is something the lamestream liberal media won't say. Trump gives interviews to the media while harris continues to avoid giving media interviews. Trump allows restaurant customers to stay while harris throws customers out at the Primanti Bros restaurant while in Pennsylvania. Vote for Trump for a better America. Wake up. No, you wake up, hack. Remain in Mexico was a cruel, arcane policy that left vulnerable asylum seekers in dangerous circumstances. Children were separated from their families as a deterrent protocol, many of them were never reunited at all. The border was not mostly "secure" - Gotaways happened under Trump, too. The demographics of people crossing the border have changed completely since COVID. I'm not afraid of brown people, who contribute to the economy and perform low wage jobs that keep businesses like hotels and offices running, low wage jobs that ordinary citizens don't want. Get a clue and go back to work.
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