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Post by standiego on May 26, 2024 8:57:03 GMT -8
wouldn't it be a better TV deal for ESPN if it decided to let the ACC fall apart and lower the amount of money it pays the ACC or simply not televise ACC since it has the SEC and Big 12 ?
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Post by Den60 on May 26, 2024 10:19:14 GMT -8
That article has no value value as he mentions Utah, which is 100% not going to the ACC over the big 12 Utah did not sign onto the B12 GOR and I'm not sure they like being in the same conference of YBU. Of course, they are hoping for a B1G invite but they were one that did not want to see the PAC dissolve. The B12 is a better BB conference than football and ACC is a better conference academically. right now I see the ACC and the B12 in competition with each other to become the P3 and this may work to our benefit. ACC needs to add schools out west if they care about Calford and the B12 doesn't have a school that is in the Pacific time zone all year. Seeing what SDSU is doing revenue wise can't hurt either. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on May 26, 2024 12:46:09 GMT -8
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Post by TPAztec on May 26, 2024 13:37:01 GMT -8
They'll be fine. The ACC will probably drop out of power status after Clemson, FSU and Miami leave, but they have a solid base, and could probably pivot and pick up smaller MM schools
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Post by lemkotir on May 26, 2024 14:14:53 GMT -8
That article has no value value as he mentions Utah, which is 100% not going to the ACC over the big 12 Utah did not sign onto the B12 GOR and I'm not sure they like being in the same conference of YBU. Of course, they are hoping for a B1G invite but they were one that did not want to see the PAC dissolve. The B12 is a better BB conference than football and ACC is a better conference academically. right now I see the ACC and the B12 in competition with each other to become the P3 and this may work to our benefit. ACC needs to add schools out west if they care about Calford and the B12 doesn't have a school that is in the Pacific time zone all year. Seeing what SDSU is doing revenue wise can't hurt either. Here. Pulled from the CAL board. => billfarley.substack.com/p/the-big-12s-rushed-deal-to-sign-coloradoUtah's B12 agreement, in it's fully glory, if anyone wants to read the entire PDF: billfarley.substack.com/api/v1/file/e4487b24-a5a5-414e-a4cb-e6ab4d83bea3.pdf |
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Post by Den60 on May 26, 2024 14:35:48 GMT -8
Utah did not sign onto the B12 GOR and I'm not sure they like being in the same conference of YBU. Of course, they are hoping for a B1G invite but they were one that did not want to see the PAC dissolve. The B12 is a better BB conference than football and ACC is a better conference academically. right now I see the ACC and the B12 in competition with each other to become the P3 and this may work to our benefit. ACC needs to add schools out west if they care about Calford and the B12 doesn't have a school that is in the Pacific time zone all year. Seeing what SDSU is doing revenue wise can't hurt either. Here. Pulled from the CAL board. => billfarley.substack.com/p/the-big-12s-rushed-deal-to-sign-coloradoUtah's B12 agreement, in it's fully glory, if anyone wants to read the entire PDF: billfarley.substack.com/api/v1/file/e4487b24-a5a5-414e-a4cb-e6ab4d83bea3.pdfThink the ACC goes really bold to create a twenty team conference but adding Utah and SDSU. Conference lineup: West: Stanford Cal UTAH SDSU SMU But, they lack a lot in the Midwest which makes doing a coast-to-coast conference viable. The B12 could think they need to ensure the ACC dosn't bracket them so perhaps they decided to add SDSU and Memphis/Ore St?/UNLV |
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Post by lemkotir on May 26, 2024 15:31:27 GMT -8
While I say the odds of ACC adds Utah, OSU, SDSU and USF is maybe at 1%, but it is conference realignment, so we gotta entertain anything that is a remote possibility.
Come of it, there may be some logical reasons.
Working assumptions:
1. Florida St and Clemson move to B10/SEC
2. All remaining ACC schools stay in place
3. ACC acts proactively to backfill to create the best of Power 2 (I now refer B10 and SEC as Super 2) - having seen P12 being an idiot doing nothing to stay 3 steps ahead of this 4D chess, adds the Utah, OSU, SDSU, and USF
4. Utah gains fill share pro rata on day 1
5. OSU, SDSU and USF add 75% pro rata of existing ACC schools
6. OSU, SDSU and USF get paid 25% pro rata for all future years like Cal and Stanford, all 3 happily do it in a nano second
7. OSU adds competitiveness and OR market; SDSU and USF add new or big TV markets for media rights, and being nursed as a potential "start up" with high ROI; Utah gets back with Calford and western markets, academic elites of the old ACC schools, get away from B12 schools and BYU
8. Notre Dame keeps ACC relevant and continues to be the boss in ACC broker room, without being a full member, and don't get told what to do in B10 and SEC
3 regions
Western (liberal western states "west" of Mississippi)
1. Utah
2. Stanford
3. Cal
4. SMU
5. OSU
6. SDSU
Central (held together by VA schools)
1. Virginia
2. Virginia Tech
3. Pittsburgh
4. Syracuse
5. Boston College
6. Louisville
7.ND
Atlantic (cluster of tobacco road schools and FL schools)
1. Duke
2. UNC
3. NCSU
4. Wake Forest
5. Georgia Tech
6. Miami
7. USF
Does this make too much sense? Haha.
If this were to happen by the Utah and ACC schools (ND, UNC, VA, Miami) power brokers, then it is better than B12 in every way.
This is how you play the realignment game, Jim Phillips. Eat or be eaten.
This create extra money by the new members, go give to the Big Boys. Everyone stays happy for another day.
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Post by lemkotir on May 26, 2024 15:47:09 GMT -8
Think the ACC goes really bold to create a twenty team conference but adding Utah and SDSU. Conference lineup: West: Stanford Cal UTAH SDSU SMU But, they lack a lot in the Midwest which makes doing a coast-to-coast conference viable. The B12 could think they need to ensure the ACC dosn't bracket them so perhaps they decided to add SDSU and Memphis/Ore St?/UNLV B12 schools would need some strong convincing, and I think they might be in the post eaten state trying to digest the corner school adds ACC house is on fire. A fraction of ACC members is motivated to do whatever to keep things on rails. ACC can work to add the best central time zone schools later. It is a 10 step journey |
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Post by lemkotir on May 26, 2024 16:13:57 GMT -8
Couple more food for thought, involving money:
1. FSU and Clemson leaving ACC cost each say $200m settled funds, create $400m total
2. OSU and WSU (P12) merge with ACC, bring $250m funds with them. Assuming merge does not invalidate their claims to the NCAAT monies. Rebrand as PACC coast to coast conference, haha
$650m is a lot of money to keep the war going for 3 more battles. It is all about survival and live another day
Invest $650m in a confeenece managed Trust, assume 10% average return, that creates $65m/yr in extra funding to keep the big boys in ACC "happy", for now
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Post by bschmurda on May 26, 2024 16:20:39 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on May 26, 2024 16:27:22 GMT -8
Utah goes to the ACC SDSU can take their place in the Big 12.
Summer is conference expansion season!
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Post by aztech on May 26, 2024 16:50:11 GMT -8
Utah goes to the ACC SDSU can take their place in the Big 12. Summer is conference expansion season! Let's face it, Utah wants to distance itself from BYU any way they can. Can't blame them for that. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 26, 2024 18:39:03 GMT -8
Utah goes to the ACC SDSU can take their place in the Big 12. Summer is conference expansion season! I think it will be where ESPN will put SDSU. We aren’t on their radar for B12, but they listed us specifically for ACC. With Cal/Standford in ACC ESPN may want to bolster that And stave off further defections from other schools |
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Post by laaztec on May 26, 2024 19:41:35 GMT -8
Utah goes to the ACC SDSU can take their place in the Big 12. Summer is conference expansion season! I think it will be where ESPN will put SDSU. We aren’t on their radar for B12, but they listed us specifically for ACC. With Cal/Standford in ACC ESPN may want to bolster that And stave off further defections from other schools They are going to have to get Calford other schools out here or it’s never going to work. |
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Post by docmm on May 26, 2024 20:07:48 GMT -8
Please quit making things sound possible. I don't think I can stand being left at the altar again.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 26, 2024 23:11:26 GMT -8
I think it will be where ESPN will put SDSU. We aren’t on their radar for B12, but they listed us specifically for ACC. With Cal/Standford in ACC ESPN may want to bolster that And stave off further defections from other schools They are going to have to get Calford other schools out here or it’s never going to work. Cal, Stanford, osu, wsu, SDSU, SMU |
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Post by hoobs on May 27, 2024 4:04:35 GMT -8
+ UNLV & Tulane (the latter very much fitting a premium academic pedigree, improving sports, and key location)
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Post by aztecalum on May 27, 2024 4:50:19 GMT -8
Utah goes to the ACC SDSU can take their place in the Big 12. Summer is conference expansion season! Let's face it, Utah wants to distance itself from BYU any way they can. Can't blame them for that. And associate with Stanford, Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech and UVA. |
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Post by hoobs on May 27, 2024 6:18:30 GMT -8
Let's face it, Utah wants to distance itself from BYU any way they can. Can't blame them for that. And associate with Stanford, Cal, Duke, Georgia Tech and UVA. Very much so (Well, UVA might be in the B1G along with UNC, but otherwise still 100% agreed) |
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Post by AzTex on May 27, 2024 8:26:42 GMT -8
Please quit making things sound possible. I don't think I can stand being left at the altar again. The cake is a lie. |
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