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Post by survalli on May 22, 2024 19:02:13 GMT -8
There is talk the BIG12 will poach the ACC if those schools leave. The question then is who is left out. Those that don't make it could create a best of the rest conference. Big 12 and acc will now need to find an additional 20m a year to pay students and deal with decreased NCAA payments. They are looking at a huge budget hit. Unless ESPN/ fox opens their check book I am not sure they can afford to expand this is easy, the remaining P4 will band together to create a new "NCAA TV Deal" for the P4. in this way they wrestle control away from the networks, similar to the NFL. All the conference commissioners want to ensure equity among programs..P4 programs that is. this is they way they envision taking back control from the the NIL debacle which threatened to ruin entire athletic programs. the athletes at these schools will be paid employees, they will have a union and there will be rules at last. but programs like SDSU will be f****d. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 22, 2024 20:52:52 GMT -8
Big 12 and acc will now need to find an additional 20m a year to pay students and deal with decreased NCAA payments. They are looking at a huge budget hit. Unless ESPN/ fox opens their check book I am not sure they can afford to expand this is easy, the remaining P4 will band together to create a new "NCAA TV Deal" for the P4. in this way they wrestle control away from the networks, similar to the NFL. All the conference commissioners want to ensure equity among programs..P4 programs that is. this is they way they envision taking back control from the the NIL debacle which threatened to ruin entire athletic programs. the athletes at these schools will be paid employees, they will have a union and there will be rules at last. but programs like SDSU will be f****d. Could be, but I don’t think soo. I don’t see Ohio state and Alabama sharing equal money with the likes of Arizona state, Stanford UCF and Cincinnati. They didn’t in the cfb playoff tv contract where the B1G and SEC get almost double the Big 12. I don’t see how the big 12 and ACC survive under profit sharing, they make soo much less than the P2. Never underestimate the greed and ego of college presidents |
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Post by standiego on May 23, 2024 8:41:28 GMT -8
as noted ESPN can decide February of 2025 if they want to keep their contract with the ACC - is it a money maker for them ESPN - do they get enough Viewers from the schools in the ACC
This year will be the first year with the Sooners and Longhorns in the SEC to go with the already good teams in the SEC . Same with the BIG who will be adding USC - UCLA - Washington and Oregon - who will provide opportunities for later/night games .
ESPN has the SEC and Big 12 - how much value do ACC schools provide for ESPN
Will be interesting for the ACC survival
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Post by lemkotir on May 23, 2024 10:59:28 GMT -8
Great episode on "The Big Mountain", a MWC-focused channel, on the impending changes coming to Big Ten, ACC, and SEC, with someone sounds like an "insider" - guy's arguments and view points all make a lot of sense to me. www.youtube.com/live/_hepdcb5PR8?si=AljTNGfmNsw8iJXj&t=180The long and short of it is:
Florida State will go the Big Ten Big Ten pecking order add: FSU, Clemson, Texas A&M Big Ten only has money to go to 20 teams, right now SEC pecking order is UNC and Virginia Miami looks to be BIG12 add, if ACC gets watered down There is simply not enough money left in TV media rights, without dilution, aside from FSU; Clemson is may be a partial share add Notre Dame may get 3 games with SEC and 3 games with Big Ten in the future; while stay fully independent; everyone is happy Big Ten and SEC are more co-partners now in this new world If PAC12 did not get destroyed by George Kick ass, then Power 2 would not have as much power now Cal and Stanford - missed the boat; they simply do not have market share to be added to the Big Ten |
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Post by standiego on May 23, 2024 11:27:15 GMT -8
for the BIG and SEC - all depends on the amount of Viewers that a school can bring to the Network - if they do add schools it will entirely on their terms so might new schools get a much lower % of the TV deal ?
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Post by hoobs on May 23, 2024 11:40:36 GMT -8
Great episode on "The Big Mountain", a MWC-focused channel, on the impending changes coming to Big Ten, ACC, and SEC, with someone sounds like an "insider" - guy's arguments and view points all make a lot of sense to me. www.youtube.com/live/_hepdcb5PR8?si=AljTNGfmNsw8iJXj&t=180The long and short of it is:
Florida State will go the Big Ten Big Ten pecking order add: FSU, Clemson, Texas A&M Big Ten only has money to go to 20 teams, right now SEC pecking order is UNC and Virginia Miami looks to be BIG12 add, if ACC gets watered down There is simply not enough money left in TV media rights, without dilution, aside from FSU; Clemson is may be a partial share add Notre Dame may get 3 games with SEC and 3 games with Big Ten in the future; while stay fully independent; everyone is happy Big Ten and SEC are more co-partners now in this new world If PAC12 did not get destroyed by George Kick ass, then Power 2 would not have as much power now Cal and Stanford - missed the boat; they simply do not have market share to be added to the Big Ten I think his 'pecking order' picks are opposite. B1G will want UNC & UVA (+ of course Notre Dame, if possible) SEC would be Florida St & Clemson Miami to Big12? Maybe. ACC minus 4 or 5 schools would probably have to backfill for a 'Western' division to compete with the Big12 offering content east coast to west coast... SDSU, UNLV, Colorado State, Tulane being my picks (if I was the ACC commish in that scenario). Those schools, plus Calford, SMU, & Louisville would be an 8 team western division. |
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Post by standiego on May 23, 2024 11:52:25 GMT -8
Are Miami fans more for the Dolphins or U of Miami fans or are they both depending on who is winning ? especially with the resurgence of the Dolphins
Same for Pittsburg and Boston areas ? know they are strong NFL fans are they also into their college teams ?
Will the TV Networks add how much more Money for additional schools ?
So again it could end up with what the TV Networks think helps them the most on additions of schools to a conference
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Post by lemkotir on May 24, 2024 13:11:56 GMT -8
Would not pay too much stock into this video, but entertaining to hear -- SDSU relevant
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Post by aztecdan8 on May 24, 2024 13:54:29 GMT -8
The cynic in me thinks that Duke is well aware of the jenga tower and is why Coach K is suggesting an ACC Big East Merger. I have to say there is a scenario where the following teams bolt. Clemson - SEC UNC - Big NC State - Big (Package Deal) Miami - SEC VaTech - Big Virgina - Big Florida State - SEC Leaving these teams to merge in the Big East for Football and Basketball BC Duke Wake Louisville GTech Pitt Syracuse ND Basketball only UCONN would be your 8th member football member. And this would make 20 BE basketball members. Would the BE take in Cal, Stanford, and SMU? Maybe if the BE could attract back Cincinatti and WV. I thought that Coach K was talking crazy, but this may be the way forward. If highly doubt VA Tech and NC St will ever be in the B1G. They do not measure up academically or in sports excellence. The B1G presidents still feign that they care about academics. |
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Post by greysuit on May 24, 2024 14:27:51 GMT -8
ACC wont expand if they lose Miami, FSU and Clemson, they are more likely to fall apart like the P12. Conferences not named B1G and SEC are no longer going to get lucrative TV deals and are going to fall into a sub-tier category. The NCAA approving player payment will only further the gap between top tier and second tier schools. Best case scenario the Big 12 absorbs the ACC schools + the P2 Schools and Maybe SDSU to create its own second tier division / conference.
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Post by 94sdsu on May 24, 2024 15:07:20 GMT -8
Great episode on "The Big Mountain", a MWC-focused channel, on the impending changes coming to Big Ten, ACC, and SEC, with someone sounds like an "insider" - guy's arguments and view points all make a lot of sense to me. www.youtube.com/live/_hepdcb5PR8?si=AljTNGfmNsw8iJXj&t=180The long and short of it is:
Florida State will go the Big Ten Big Ten pecking order add: FSU, Clemson, Texas A&M Big Ten only has money to go to 20 teams, right now SEC pecking order is UNC and Virginia Miami looks to be BIG12 add, if ACC gets watered down There is simply not enough money left in TV media rights, without dilution, aside from FSU; Clemson is may be a partial share add Notre Dame may get 3 games with SEC and 3 games with Big Ten in the future; while stay fully independent; everyone is happy Big Ten and SEC are more co-partners now in this new world If PAC12 did not get destroyed by George Kick ass, then Power 2 would not have as much power now Cal and Stanford - missed the boat; they simply do not have market share to be added to the Big Ten I think his 'pecking order' picks are opposite. B1G will want UNC & UVA (+ of course Notre Dame, if possible) SEC would be Florida St & Clemson Miami to Big12? Maybe. ACC minus 4 or 5 schools would probably have to backfill for a 'Western' division to compete with the Big12 offering content east coast to west coast... SDSU, UNLV, Colorado State, Tulane being my picks (if I was the ACC commish in that scenario). Those schools, plus Calford, SMU, & Louisville would be an 8 team western division. I'm not sure FSU or Clemson add any value to the SEC as they already have a Florida presence with Uni of Florida and an S. Carolina presence with USC. UNC is the big prize that they'll be fighting over, but I think it's a "no brainer" for UNC to pick the B10. I still think Georgia Tech is in play for the B10, although no else seems to think so. I think if the ACC falls apart, then the B12 adds Miami, Duke and maybe NCSt, assuming UNC, UV, FSU and Clemson are all gone. |
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Post by LostAztec on May 25, 2024 7:50:56 GMT -8
doesn't ESPN going forward have the Tv rights to both ACC and Big 12 - so what would they prefer happens with the ACC what TV markets / do really well for the ACC ? that could be the major question would be more profitable for ESPN Florida State and Clemson - do they have a large amount of TV Viewers and other ACC schools Now it is money that is the driving force for College Sports NIL I say more $$ ESPN likes things the way they are. They are getting four to five top ACC programs at a considerable discount. Nobody is going anywhere unless the Disney Dons give the nod. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 25, 2024 10:54:35 GMT -8
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Post by sdmotohead on May 25, 2024 13:34:08 GMT -8
Fool me once, shame on you (big east). Fool me twice shame on me (ball-sac 12). Fool me 3 times  |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on May 25, 2024 13:47:21 GMT -8
Fool me once, shame on you (big east). Fool me twice shame on me (ball-sac 12). Fool me 3 times I know right. Ahhh screw it, WE’RE GOING TO THE ACC, WE ARE GOING TO THE ACC!!!! |
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Post by RiffelBooks on May 25, 2024 13:50:43 GMT -8
Utah??? So much for credibility.
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Post by standiego on May 25, 2024 15:33:39 GMT -8
a lot could depend on what ESPN wants to shell out for the ACC as ESPN can decide in Feb 2025
Not sure how many schools the SEC or BIG want to add and what price or %
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Post by 94sdsu on May 25, 2024 20:27:24 GMT -8
That article has no value value as he mentions Utah, which is 100% not going to the ACC over the big 12
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Post by laaztec on May 25, 2024 20:50:24 GMT -8
Fool me once, shame on you (big east). Fool me twice shame on me (ball-sac 12). Fool me 3 times Third time is the charm? 🤷♂️ |
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Post by laaztec on May 26, 2024 7:50:05 GMT -8
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