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Post by johneaztec on Apr 29, 2024 22:01:40 GMT -8
That's been me for a very, very long time. I'm not out the door yet, but I'm keeping a close eye on it just in case. The sky isn’t falling, I believe Saunders made an educated decision and decided to go where he can get the playing time he’s looking for. This I think says something about Mr Comptons ability, also Magoon, and new 6-10 PF commit this week. That's a very optimistic, if not a VERY different view than most have. Most people believe it's about the money. Having said that, I SURE HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT!!! That would mean we're going to be very good next year if Saunders is afraid of losing his playing time. He was slotted to be a big minutes guy, I believe. |
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Post by junior on Apr 29, 2024 22:25:19 GMT -8
Tough decision, but it’s his to make. No one from last year’s team - besides maybe LeDee - was indispensable. Unhappy players can hit the portal. If it’s just about the money, then go get it…if you can.
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Post by jdaztec on Apr 29, 2024 22:38:09 GMT -8
Saunders was a really good 3 point shooter from the corner but for a guy his size he really didn't seem to like contact. We should have been a much better rebounding team with a guy his size and strength . I was hoping this year he would be more aggressive but I think some guys just never like the physical contact. wish him well and if we can get a forward who is willing to mix it up underneath we may end up better off.
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Post by heuschele on Apr 29, 2024 23:09:13 GMT -8
Saunders was a really good 3 point shooter from the corner but for a guy his size he really didn't seem to like contact. We should have been a much better rebounding team with a guy his size and strength . I was hoping this year he would be more aggressive but I think some guys just never like the physical contact. wish him well and if we can get a forward who is willing to mix it up underneath we may end up better off. > Saunders was a really good 3 point shooter from the corner } I would not call him really good 3 point shooter. I would not even refer to him as a good 3 point shooter. He is an ok 3 pt shooter, a very good FT shooter, with good defense, poor rebounder, and not physical player. I wanted to see the growth in his game but without improvement he is a borderline starter. It is crazy that borderline starters like parish and Saunders can get such large NIL payouts. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 29, 2024 23:22:56 GMT -8
There are a couple things that suggest that losing Saunders is more of an emotional and ego loss than a logistical one. 1) I think he was worried about getting a lot of playing time at the 4 with Gwath and Compton looming. 2) He averaged 3.6 rebounds in 20.3 minutes of every game. 3) He was "relieved" when he lost his starting job. Now this is coming from a Sophomore, not a Freshman. He would rather not start. I really liked the kid but he was the epitome of SOFT! Can't argue with anything you said. That said, I saw a lot of potential greatness in him, and next season was going to show how hard he worked, how bad he wanted it, how good he can be. Or not. I was optimistic he and Byrd were going to commit to work as hard as Ledee did. I wanted both Micah and Lamont to come back, but understand why they want or feel the need to go. As they both have/will graduate, I just kinda accepted it and decided to move on and look ahead. I did have an issue with Butler not declaring right away after the portal opened and leaving Dutch and his former team and so-called brothers hanging out to dry. This one with Elijah is way worse, and I'm struggling to have any well wishes for him at his next stop. Waiting this long was a major d1ck move. He's really screwed Dutch, the players, the program. So much for Fishwr's mantra ... it's about "the team, the team, the team." |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 29, 2024 23:28:29 GMT -8
What about G league players? Must be some quality players still eligible to play college. That's funny ... but ... most the G League guys make less than these big NIL guys are getting. They make less.... are they therefore "less pro" than, say, Micah Parrish? Let hypocrisy reign |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 29, 2024 23:30:32 GMT -8
Btw, wouldn't be surprised to see Dutcher retire within next 1 year. He cannot compete without NIL money which is not coming from the community. Nick Saban saw all this coming, the new feeling of entitlement and he retired- but not before ripping this stuff. Saban decided to step away and he was AT ALABAMA!!! |
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Post by naztec on Apr 29, 2024 23:31:23 GMT -8
I could be dead wrong about this, but guys who go get the bag in their 5th year, like Keshad, and now Lamont and Micah, whether they leave out the front door or not…fine. Get yours.
But I feel like guys like Elijah are in for a little bit of adversity, maybe even a rude awakening, leaving without ever really overcoming much of anything.
The long game is San Diego State’s game. This Wild West NIL $#!+ will get some law and order eventually. But our program is built on trust and family. Those who decide to leave are welcome to leave.
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Post by Den60 on Apr 30, 2024 7:04:59 GMT -8
I agree with Micah’s comment that those that are complaining should be donating. You get what you put in. But he’s wrong that these are college kids. They are semi pro athletes. You can’t have your cake and it eat it too. This times 1,000% I'd drop the "semi" part of that statement myself. |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Apr 30, 2024 7:50:07 GMT -8
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Post by docmm on Apr 30, 2024 7:56:36 GMT -8
He wants money and exposure, mostly $$ probably. New Mexico's NIL budget is surprisingly bigger than ours so we can't even match what he got there.
That "trade" will never happen although it would be fun just to see how apoplectic their fans would get if it did.
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Post by frustratedfan on Apr 30, 2024 8:04:30 GMT -8
Probably a stupid question, but when does all this NIL nonsense become an anti-trust issue....if ever? Why would an open market place be anti trust? Bigger question is how quickly does this lead to unionization and collective bargaining soo the schools can regain some certainty. There are still court cases pending that could blow this up further Open market or in reality a monopoly? The SEC and the BIG are the Amazons and the Googles of college sports while the rest are just Joe Shmoes trying to survive in the illusion of an "open market". The G5 schools have quickly become just the farm system for the behemoth conferences. You say we will be fine. Neither us nor any other G5 school will be fine. Yes, Coach Dutcher will bring in more talent. but the problem is once he develops those players immediately comes the SEC and BIG schools to offer them $500,000, $1,000,000 or more and takes them from us. If you are honest with yourself, there is no way, no matter how many of us donate, that we can compete with the kind of money the big conference schools are throwing around and will continue to throw around. What's next? Offering these student athletes Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and shoot even new homes? Why not, there is currently no limit to the amount of NIL money these behemoths can offer the student athlete. The minute that you refer to college sports as an open market, then college sports has died and no longer exists. What we now have is semi-pro leagues, and no longer college sports. |
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Post by Aztecole on Apr 30, 2024 9:13:53 GMT -8
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Post by azson on Apr 30, 2024 9:37:09 GMT -8
Fingers crossed 4L Gang, please interpret. "Four Losses": Butler, Parrish, Saunders and ____? "for life gang" is much more likely And also laughable considering he's bolting after 2 years. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 30, 2024 9:38:12 GMT -8
Why would an open market place be anti trust? Bigger question is how quickly does this lead to unionization and collective bargaining soo the schools can regain some certainty. There are still court cases pending that could blow this up further Open market or in reality a monopoly? The SEC and the BIG are the Amazons and the Googles of college sports while the rest are just Joe Shmoes trying to survive in the illusion of an "open market". The G5 schools have quickly become just the farm system for the behemoth conferences. You say we will be fine. Neither us nor any other G5 school will be fine. Yes, Coach Dutcher will bring in more talent. but the problem is once he develops those players immediately comes the SEC and BIG schools to offer them $500,000, $1,000,000 or more and takes them from us. If you are honest with yourself, there is no way, no matter how many of us donate, that we can compete with the kind of money the big conference schools are throwing around and will continue to throw around. What's next? Offering these student athletes Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and shoot even new homes? Why not, there is currently no limit to the amount of NIL money these behemoths can offer the student athlete. The minute that you refer to college sports as an open market, then college sports has died and no longer exists. What we now have is semi-pro leagues, and no longer college sports. Except the money can’t come from the schools, so it’s not the same. There is no stopping FedEx from paying a player $5 mil to go to Memphis or Qualcomm from paying players to go to sdsu. This has absolutely nothing to do with tv revenue or Atlethic budgets and everything to big 3rd party donors. No reason school like SDSU couldn’t buy excellent teams, individual donors willing. Now, there are some interesting settlement discussions occurring right now about $20m profit sharing, between schools and some athletes, there are still other law suits pending. I see unionization and collective bargaining as the only way to fix this and gain some certainty |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 30, 2024 9:42:09 GMT -8
Dutch made a point of stating that he brought byrd here to be a starter. I now think that was to try and stop him from leaving. He could make more money transferring after having a good year at sdsu |
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Post by azson on Apr 30, 2024 9:52:16 GMT -8
He wants money and exposure, mostly $$ probably. New Mexico's NIL budget is surprisingly bigger than ours so we can't even match what he got there. That "trade" will never happen although it would be fun just to see how apoplectic their fans would get if it did. Man, I can think of a better salve for these recent burns than that! |
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Post by azson on Apr 30, 2024 9:53:36 GMT -8
Dude, THANK YOU SO MUCH for finding/posting that, mos def makes me feel better. |
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Post by azson on Apr 30, 2024 10:01:41 GMT -8
This is a stupid thread and blaming Elijah is childish. The reality is SDSU is one of the better programs in the nation with one of the worst NIL programs in the country. For argument sake, if Dutcher was in his mid 50s and SDSU was paying him $2.0M tops and he realized his market value is $4.5M would we call him names for leaving for more than twice his pay? Schools across the country realize SDSU produce team players, glue guys that know how to play defense and are physical. There is value in these players and the market has proved it, Keshad got $400K from Arizona, Parrish is getting $400K from Ohio State, etc. Butler said he would test the market to see if it was real and got a lucrative offer in 1 day! Elijah and other players would be foolish to not consider the money they are worth to simply keep locals happy. Are any of us willing to turn down a job from a competitor offering 3-5X current compensation package? It's is a new ball game in college sports - pay to play. Stop crying and blaming players for making a decision to benefit from their craft. What’s stupid is calling your fellow Aztec fans childish for having a completely reasonable reaction to being sandbagged two days before the portal closes. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 30, 2024 10:08:42 GMT -8
That's today, one more to go! |
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