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Post by bnastyaztecs on Apr 29, 2024 16:16:56 GMT -8
"Someone, usually Ryan, calls me out on the erroneous information. I do hit back, usually in the form of counterpunch argument more fallacious assertions, with zero evidence." |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 29, 2024 16:33:25 GMT -8
Because an inexperienced judge that was nominated by Trump (over her head and one who has helped Trump repeatedly with delays) was criticized? That has very little to do with the merits of the case. And most importantly: She was reversed UNANIMOUSLY on this decision by the 11th Circuit...an embarrassing rebuke of a federal judge. And maybe even more importantly? All three judges were appointed by Republicans, including two by Trump himself. www.lawfaremedia.org/article/11th-circuit-vacates-cannons-order-appoint-special-master-mar-lago-investigationQuite the self-own. So, I'll ask again, can you explain to me, in actual words, preferably legal terms, how this case is bogus? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 29, 2024 22:22:28 GMT -8
Because an inexperienced judge that was nominated by Trump (over her head and one who has helped Trump repeatedly with delays) was criticized? That has very little to do with the merits of the case. And most importantly: She was reversed UNANIMOUSLY on this decision by the 11th Circuit...an embarrassing rebuke of a federal judge. And maybe even more importantly? All three judges were appointed by Republicans, including two by Trump himself. www.lawfaremedia.org/article/11th-circuit-vacates-cannons-order-appoint-special-master-mar-lago-investigationQuite the self-own. So, I'll ask again, can you explain to me, in actual words, preferably legal terms, how this case is bogus? I really don’t know why am answering this question, you never answer mine. The retention (and recovery) of documents from a President is not a criminal case, but a civil matter, which is covered exclusively by the Presidential Records Act and any remedies are to be sought there. In order to politicize this case, the Biden people are juxtaposing the two, seeking a bogus criminal indictment, ignoring decades of precedent including requests of Presidents Clinton and Bush. Clearly politically motivated, the “seeking justice” line is a lie. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 30, 2024 6:10:35 GMT -8
Because an inexperienced judge that was nominated by Trump (over her head and one who has helped Trump repeatedly with delays) was criticized? That has very little to do with the merits of the case. And most importantly: She was reversed UNANIMOUSLY on this decision by the 11th Circuit...an embarrassing rebuke of a federal judge. And maybe even more importantly? All three judges were appointed by Republicans, including two by Trump himself. www.lawfaremedia.org/article/11th-circuit-vacates-cannons-order-appoint-special-master-mar-lago-investigationQuite the self-own. So, I'll ask again, can you explain to me, in actual words, preferably legal terms, how this case is bogus? I really don’t know why am answering this question, you never answer mine. The retention (and recovery) of documents from a President is not a criminal case, but a civil matter, which is covered exclusively by the Presidential Records Act and any remedies are to be sought there. In order to politicize this case, the Biden people are juxtaposing the two, seeking a bogus criminal indictment, ignoring decades of precedent including requests of Presidents Clinton and Bush. Clearly politically motivated, the “seeking justice” line is a lie. Some of the documents were beyond Top Secret. They were only to be viewed in a secured facility and were not to ever leave the room, let alone the building. They put national security at risk. That should greatly bother you. It should greatly bother every American. And that IS criminal, not civil. They weren't Presidential documents, they were Federal documents on national security. The President is not a King. He can't rule by decree, something Donald Trump still doesn't understand. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 30, 2024 7:34:04 GMT -8
Because an inexperienced judge that was nominated by Trump (over her head and one who has helped Trump repeatedly with delays) was criticized? That has very little to do with the merits of the case. And most importantly: She was reversed UNANIMOUSLY on this decision by the 11th Circuit...an embarrassing rebuke of a federal judge. And maybe even more importantly? All three judges were appointed by Republicans, including two by Trump himself. www.lawfaremedia.org/article/11th-circuit-vacates-cannons-order-appoint-special-master-mar-lago-investigationQuite the self-own. So, I'll ask again, can you explain to me, in actual words, preferably legal terms, how this case is bogus? I really don’t know why am answering this question, you never answer mine. The retention (and recovery) of documents from a President is not a criminal case, but a civil matter, which is covered exclusively by the Presidential Records Act and any remedies are to be sought there. In order to politicize this case, the Biden people are juxtaposing the two, seeking a bogus criminal indictment, ignoring decades of precedent including requests of Presidents Clinton and Bush. Clearly politically motivated, the “seeking justice” line is a lie. You don't usually ask questions, but I'm happy to answer any serious ones. The retention of classified documents is usually a civil case, you're right. What elevated it in Trump's case? His refusal to return the material. I've told you multiple times: Had he simply complied and turned over all the material, he would never have been charged with a crime in the matter. NARA *did* seek to remedy the situation. They didn't contact the DOJ for over a year, after multiple unsuccessful attempts to secure all the documents. Trump's own advisors told him he would be subpoena'd eventually by the DOJ. And then when that subpoena was issued? Trump failed to comply. He instructed his attorney to lie on a sworn affidavit (that's a felony, just in case you weren't aware.) Then you have the moving of the boxes AFTER the subpoena was issued and the altering of the surveillance equipment. That's obstruction of justice. Since there are multiple witnesses, most of them cooperating witnesses, he's fairly screwed on this charge, if the case ever goes to trial. Due process has allowed him to delay proceedings repeatedly, along with Judge Cannon. This case has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Those records were personal diaries, not top secret satellite imagery, human intelligence or nuclear readiness capabilities of foreign countries. There's a process that has to be followed, Trump didn't follow it because he lacks self-control. As I posted just a few days ago, he posted a highly classified satellite image of an Iranian nuclear power plant to Twitter within an hour of receiving the briefing. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 30, 2024 7:50:14 GMT -8
Trump was held in contempt of court for violating the gag order (repeatedly) preventing him from attacking witnesses or court staff (or their families.) He was fined $1,000 for each count and threatened with a potential jailing. That will never, ever happen. The $1,000 fine is the largest permissible under state law.
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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 30, 2024 10:57:22 GMT -8
I really don’t know why am answering this question, you never answer mine. The retention (and recovery) of documents from a President is not a criminal case, but a civil matter, which is covered exclusively by the Presidential Records Act and any remedies are to be sought there. In order to politicize this case, the Biden people are juxtaposing the two, seeking a bogus criminal indictment, ignoring decades of precedent including requests of Presidents Clinton and Bush. Clearly politically motivated, the “seeking justice” line is a lie. You don't usually ask questions, but I'm happy to answer any serious ones. The retention of classified documents is usually a civil case, you're right. What elevated it in Trump's case? His refusal to return the material. I've told you multiple times: Had he simply complied and turned over all the material, he would never have been charged with a crime in the matter. NARA *did* seek to remedy the situation. They didn't contact the DOJ for over a year, after multiple unsuccessful attempts to secure all the documents. Trump's own advisors told him he would be subpoena'd eventually by the DOJ. And then when that subpoena was issued? Trump failed to comply. He instructed his attorney to lie on a sworn affidavit (that's a felony, just in case you weren't aware.) Then you have the moving of the boxes AFTER the subpoena was issued and the altering of the surveillance equipment. That's obstruction of justice. Since there are multiple witnesses, most of them cooperating witnesses, he's fairly screwed on this charge, if the case ever goes to trial. Due process has allowed him to delay proceedings repeatedly, along with Judge Cannon. This case has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Those records were personal diaries, not top secret satellite imagery, human intelligence or nuclear readiness capabilities of foreign countries. There's a process that has to be followed, Trump didn't follow it because he lacks self-control. As I posted just a few days ago, he posted a highly classified satellite image of an Iranian nuclear power plant to Twitter within an hour of receiving the briefing. No further comment from me, other than these cases actually help President Trump’s campaign. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 30, 2024 11:09:57 GMT -8
You don't usually ask questions, but I'm happy to answer any serious ones. The retention of classified documents is usually a civil case, you're right. What elevated it in Trump's case? His refusal to return the material. I've told you multiple times: Had he simply complied and turned over all the material, he would never have been charged with a crime in the matter. NARA *did* seek to remedy the situation. They didn't contact the DOJ for over a year, after multiple unsuccessful attempts to secure all the documents. Trump's own advisors told him he would be subpoena'd eventually by the DOJ. And then when that subpoena was issued? Trump failed to comply. He instructed his attorney to lie on a sworn affidavit (that's a felony, just in case you weren't aware.) Then you have the moving of the boxes AFTER the subpoena was issued and the altering of the surveillance equipment. That's obstruction of justice. Since there are multiple witnesses, most of them cooperating witnesses, he's fairly screwed on this charge, if the case ever goes to trial. Due process has allowed him to delay proceedings repeatedly, along with Judge Cannon. This case has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Those records were personal diaries, not top secret satellite imagery, human intelligence or nuclear readiness capabilities of foreign countries. There's a process that has to be followed, Trump didn't follow it because he lacks self-control. As I posted just a few days ago, he posted a highly classified satellite image of an Iranian nuclear power plant to Twitter within an hour of receiving the briefing. No further comment from me, other than these cases actually help President Trump’s campaign. They absolutely don't, but I can see the illusion of why you'd think they would. I was hoping the truth would get you to at least see the other side of the coin, but I guess not. |
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Post by azson on Apr 30, 2024 11:15:13 GMT -8
You don't usually ask questions, but I'm happy to answer any serious ones. The retention of classified documents is usually a civil case, you're right. What elevated it in Trump's case? His refusal to return the material. I've told you multiple times: Had he simply complied and turned over all the material, he would never have been charged with a crime in the matter. NARA *did* seek to remedy the situation. They didn't contact the DOJ for over a year, after multiple unsuccessful attempts to secure all the documents. Trump's own advisors told him he would be subpoena'd eventually by the DOJ. And then when that subpoena was issued? Trump failed to comply. He instructed his attorney to lie on a sworn affidavit (that's a felony, just in case you weren't aware.) Then you have the moving of the boxes AFTER the subpoena was issued and the altering of the surveillance equipment. That's obstruction of justice. Since there are multiple witnesses, most of them cooperating witnesses, he's fairly screwed on this charge, if the case ever goes to trial. Due process has allowed him to delay proceedings repeatedly, along with Judge Cannon. This case has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Those records were personal diaries, not top secret satellite imagery, human intelligence or nuclear readiness capabilities of foreign countries. There's a process that has to be followed, Trump didn't follow it because he lacks self-control. As I posted just a few days ago, he posted a highly classified satellite image of an Iranian nuclear power plant to Twitter within an hour of receiving the briefing. No further comment from me, other than these cases actually help President Trump’s campaign. Exhibit A illustration to the "I lose the argument..." phase. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 1, 2024 9:02:22 GMT -8
You don't usually ask questions, but I'm happy to answer any serious ones. The retention of classified documents is usually a civil case, you're right. What elevated it in Trump's case? His refusal to return the material. I've told you multiple times: Had he simply complied and turned over all the material, he would never have been charged with a crime in the matter. NARA *did* seek to remedy the situation. They didn't contact the DOJ for over a year, after multiple unsuccessful attempts to secure all the documents. Trump's own advisors told him he would be subpoena'd eventually by the DOJ. And then when that subpoena was issued? Trump failed to comply. He instructed his attorney to lie on a sworn affidavit (that's a felony, just in case you weren't aware.) Then you have the moving of the boxes AFTER the subpoena was issued and the altering of the surveillance equipment. That's obstruction of justice. Since there are multiple witnesses, most of them cooperating witnesses, he's fairly screwed on this charge, if the case ever goes to trial. Due process has allowed him to delay proceedings repeatedly, along with Judge Cannon. This case has nothing to do with Bill Clinton. Those records were personal diaries, not top secret satellite imagery, human intelligence or nuclear readiness capabilities of foreign countries. There's a process that has to be followed, Trump didn't follow it because he lacks self-control. As I posted just a few days ago, he posted a highly classified satellite image of an Iranian nuclear power plant to Twitter within an hour of receiving the briefing. No further comment from me, other than these cases actually help President Trump’s campaign. Oof. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 3, 2024 8:59:56 GMT -8
So we now know that the 2016 election was disrupted by multiple entities. Sworn testimony from multiple individuals connected to the Trump campaign confirmed that damaging stories about Trump were "caught and killed" to influence and protect the vote for Trump.
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Post by aztecnails on May 3, 2024 9:41:25 GMT -8
Change the year from 2016 to 2020 and the name Trump to biden regarding the media cover-up of the biden labtop news where that labtop was abandoned at the repair shop. From the New York Post article dated Aug. 26, 2022 where some biden voters said had they known about the labtop they never would have voted for biden. This article states 79% of those following that news says that censorship changed the 2020 election outcome.
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Post by aztecryan on May 3, 2024 9:49:07 GMT -8
Change the year from 2016 to 2020 and the name Trump to biden regarding the media cover-up of the biden labtop news where that labtop was abandoned at the repair shop. From the New York Post article dated Aug. 26, 2022 where some biden voters said had they known about the labtop they never would have voted for biden. This article states 79% of those following that news says that censorship changed the 2020 election outcome. Change reality to fiction, while we're at it. The laptop was Rudy Giuliani's doing. The chain of custody was destroyed. Nothing ever implicated Joe Biden in any kind of impropriety. The end. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 3, 2024 10:05:59 GMT -8
Change the year from 2016 to 2020 and the name Trump to biden regarding the media cover-up of the biden labtop news where that labtop was abandoned at the repair shop. From the New York Post article dated Aug. 26, 2022 where some biden voters said had they known about the labtop they never would have voted for biden. This article states 79% of those following that news says that censorship changed the 2020 election outcome. The stark contrast here is that Trump admitted on tape that the Access Hollywood statement could lose him the election. He was cognizant and stories were actively buried (that we know now are true.) The laptop is the exact opposite. |
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Post by aztecnails on May 4, 2024 16:44:49 GMT -8
This is from Newsweek titled on Friday where Trump demands jack smith be arrested after documents revelations (that the fbi tampered with the evidence against Trump). Tampering with evidence means all the Trump indictments be dropped with prejudice and the prosecution of the government officials who did this evidence tampering crimes. Trump is innocent and he is calling out smith by name for prosecution for evidence tampering.
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Post by aztecryan on May 4, 2024 17:13:27 GMT -8
This is from Newsweek titled on Friday where Trump demands jack smith be arrested after documents revelations (that the fbi tampered with the evidence against Trump). Tampering with evidence means all the Trump indictments be dropped with prejudice and the prosecution of the government officials who did this evidence tampering crimes. Trump is innocent and he is calling out smith by name for prosecution for evidence tampering. It does not mean anything of the sort, Jack Smith didn't bring all the indictments against Trump. Are you 12? |
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Post by aardvark on May 4, 2024 22:59:25 GMT -8
This is from Newsweek titled on Friday where Trump demands jack smith be arrested after documents revelations (that the fbi tampered with the evidence against Trump). Tampering with evidence means all the Trump indictments be dropped with prejudice and the prosecution of the government officials who did this evidence tampering crimes. Trump is innocent and he is calling out smith by name for prosecution for evidence tampering. It does not mean anything of the sort, Jack Smith didn't bring all the indictments against Trump. Are you 12? Aztecnails woke up? Aren't there any soccer players (allegedly) dropping dead from Covid shots lately? |
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Post by aztecnails on May 5, 2024 12:05:15 GMT -8
smith admitted to the court in his own words that he tampered with the Trump evidence. Firebrand Media has a video called Breaking bigly, jack smith admits to evidence... There is a thing in law from the U.S. Supreme Court called the Fruit of the Poisonous tree doctrine. That means whenever a court official, police officer or witness tampers with evidence that evidence whether primary or secondary, places that information as not being allowed to be used in court. Then said person who violates that must face criminal charges themselves. Alan Carrillo of the Los Angeles Police Department is facing such charges for evidence tampering and petty theft and possible 10 years in prison.
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Post by aztecryan on May 5, 2024 12:20:45 GMT -8
smith admitted to the court in his own words that he tampered with the Trump evidence. Firebrand Media has a video called Breaking bigly, jack smith admits to evidence... There is a thing in law from the U.S. Supreme Court called the Fruit of the Poisonous tree doctrine. That means whenever a court official, police officer or witness tampers with evidence that evidence whether primary or secondary, places that information as not being allowed to be used in court. Then said person who violates that must face criminal charges themselves. Alan Carrillo of the Los Angeles Police Department is facing such charges for evidence tampering and petty theft and possible 10 years in prison. Egregiously missing context and false. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 14, 2024 9:09:58 GMT -8
Some really damaging testimony that has emerged in the last handful of days.
Tne defense has been trying to paint Cohen as a bitter felon out for revenge, but the guilt in this case doesn't ride on Cohen.
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