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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Jan 10, 2024 9:55:41 GMT -8
Which is why the P2 is operating on their own for 2 years. If any MWC schools are invited prior to August 2, 2027 then the fee is due. Even if the P2 plays as a two school conference for 2 years they would need to send out invitations before this date to build the conference back up. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 10, 2024 10:02:25 GMT -8
Which is why the P2 is operating on their own for 2 years. If any MWC schools are invited prior to August 2, 2027 then the fee is due. Even if the P2 plays as a two school conference for 2 years they would need to send out invitations before this date to build the conference back up. Time will tell. $50M isn't that steep if it brings a better TV deal. And they could split the costs with the schools. I'm sure the SDSU's & crew would pay $5M to go to a higher quality conference, top to bottom. |
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Post by aztecalum on Jan 10, 2024 10:13:04 GMT -8
Depends on the TV revenue the new Pac12 would receive. If the Pac12 was able negotiate for 2027 a TV deal paying each school $18-23M per year, if would be worth the buyout.
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Post by Den60 on Jan 10, 2024 12:06:42 GMT -8
Depends on the TV revenue the new Pac12 would receive. If the Pac12 was able negotiate for 2027 a TV deal paying each school $18-23M per year, if would be worth the buyout. They will be lucky to get $8M/team. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 10, 2024 12:35:31 GMT -8
Depends on the TV revenue the new Pac12 would receive. If the Pac12 was able negotiate for 2027 a TV deal paying each school $18-23M per year, if would be worth the buyout. They will be lucky to get $8M/team. Which if a 4-5+ year deal would be worth leaving the MWC for and paying half the penalty. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Jan 10, 2024 12:48:05 GMT -8
Depends on the TV revenue the new Pac12 would receive. If the Pac12 was able negotiate for 2027 a TV deal paying each school $18-23M per year, if would be worth the buyout. They will be lucky to get $8M/team. the pac cfb aq status will also be a factor. There was supposed to be a vote Monday to switch CFB playoffs to a (5+7) thus removing pac’s auto bid. It was delayed 2-3 weeks at WSU’s request. Schools are finding out being in a 16-20 team conference with only one autobid is going to suck as SEC and B1G will take most of the other 7 spots. As with anything, ESPN and fox will dictate the final outcome. ESPN is currently trying to kill ACC after 2027, push some teams into sec and come into big 12. Let’s hope there is room in a revised pac with OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, SMU, Utah and ASU |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 10, 2024 12:53:53 GMT -8
They will be lucky to get $8M/team. Which if a 4-5+ year deal would be worth leaving the MWC for and paying half the penalty. $4M more per year over 5 years is $20M. Who would not spend $12M to earn $20M? That assuming $8M. I think it could be more. Let’s Ssume the six leaving account for 80% of the MW value. That’s 80% of $48M. That’s $6.4M at the current contract. Figure the MW is online for. 40% increase since the last contract and you are looking at about $9.0M. We shall see what transpires. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 10, 2024 12:59:02 GMT -8
Which if a 4-5+ year deal would be worth leaving the MWC for and paying half the penalty. $4M more per year over 5 years is $20M. Who would not spend $12M to earn $20M? That assuming $8M. I think it could be more. Let’s Ssume the six leaving account for 80% of the MW value. That’s 80% of $48M. That’s $6.4M at the current contract. Figure the MW is online for. 40% increase since the last contract and you are looking at about $9.0M. We shall see what transpires. A select group of MWC schools + WSU/OSU is ALWAYS going to have more value than the full group of MWC schools, and it won't even be close. Too much deadweight in the current MWC where teams bringing zero value are getting a full share. The MWC media deal is closer to $4.4M, not $6.4. That's total payouts. If a condensed MWC+P2 can get $8M it's a NO BRAINER. You leave in a heartbeat and you pay a penalty, if it even comes to that. |
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Post by standiego on Jan 10, 2024 13:01:25 GMT -8
How much is ESPN paying the ACC and did the adding of Stanford and CAL help or hinder ESPN
Are they paying the Big 12 about 32 million per team -
We realize the SEC is their big money maker
Would ESPN prefer to drop the ACC
Correct the TV Deal is very important for the PAC to become in any way relevant to being a Power School - is that label primarily determined by the TV deal
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Post by laaztec on Jan 10, 2024 13:27:14 GMT -8
Accepting MW Member Institution #6: $12,500,000 ($67,500,000 aggregate)
Only $67.5 to take the top 6 MWC schools. That’s definitely doable especially since the PAC 2 had a $250 million dollar war chest.
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Post by aztech on Jan 10, 2024 13:53:46 GMT -8
Accepting MW Member Institution #6: $12,500,000 ($67,500,000 aggregate) Only $67.5 to take the top 6 MWC schools. That’s definitely doable especially since the PAC 2 had a $250 million dollar war chest. Also I can't see CalFord remaining in the ACC beyond a couple more years, if they don't get poached by the Big within that time frame. In continuance with the Pac's snobbiness, if CalFord returns then who would be the additional six R1 or higher research schools that the new Pac would invite? I'm crossing my fingers that we'll be designated R1 in 2025. |
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Post by laaztec on Jan 10, 2024 14:03:37 GMT -8
Accepting MW Member Institution #6: $12,500,000 ($67,500,000 aggregate) Only $67.5 to take the top 6 MWC schools. That’s definitely doable especially since the PAC 2 had a $250 million dollar war chest. Also I can't see CalFord remaining in the ACC beyond a couple more years, if they don't get poached by the Big within that time frame. In continuance with the Pac's snobbiness, if CalFord returns then who would be the additional six R1 or higher research schools that the new Pac would invite? I'm crossing my fingers that we'll be designated R1 in 2025. Calford will come back after the MWC 6 join the pac 2. Calford can join or die. |
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Post by standiego on Jan 10, 2024 14:27:40 GMT -8
How much would CAL and Stanford have to pay to exit the ACC ?
and would their pride have to take an even bigger hit
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 10, 2024 15:23:01 GMT -8
How much would CAL and Stanford have to pay to exit the ACC ? and would their pride have to take an even bigger hit If FSU wins in court & the GOR is nullified, they'd pay nothing. Chaos would happen. Don't see it happening though. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 10, 2024 15:35:46 GMT -8
How much would CAL and Stanford have to pay to exit the ACC ? and would their pride have to take an even bigger hit If FSU wins in court & the GOR is nullified, they'd pay nothing. Chaos would happen. Don't see it happening though. I think the odds favor FSU.The courts have been favoring free movement and liquidated damages as close to actual demonstrable damage as possible. |
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Post by aztecterrier on Jan 10, 2024 15:51:50 GMT -8
This reply isn't about economics or the TV networks, who can go "F" themselves, as far as I care. I just wish for the sake of the student/athletes, the fans, the integrity of the game, and the collegiate sporting experience that the P2 and MWC would do a full merger, add the Dakotas, Montana and New Mexico State, and Gonzaga for Basketball (I guess).
What a great regional Mountain Pacific Conference (MPC / PMC?). Tell the networks they can bid or not, and go to apple with a offer for $12-15 million a year. No one west of the Rockies will be watching anything else. Don't tell me about U$C and the rest of the traitors. Why would fans FROM the West care about teams who play most of their road games 2,000 miles away and/or care to go to home games against these so-called "rivals"? The Mountain/Pacific would OWN almost every Western market except the two biggest. Yeah, that's a big thing. But do you think the networks don't need their advertising to reach the other 50 million people in the West? G-damn right they do. What we need is leadership from our top academic institutions not a greedy dive into the dumpster of network tv dollars.
End rant. 'Nuff said.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 10, 2024 16:08:41 GMT -8
As the only Western based major FBS conference the new Pac should be worth somewhere between $10 million and $18 million per school per year, depending on the actual schools involved. Most likely somewhere around $12 million per school (based on my wild guess).
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Post by standiego on Jan 10, 2024 16:51:28 GMT -8
same as we have talked about it is all about what schools have a solid Viewing fan base and some businesses that would buy ads
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Post by sdcoug on Jan 10, 2024 17:36:02 GMT -8
If FSU wins in court & the GOR is nullified, they'd pay nothing. Chaos would happen. Don't see it happening though. I think the odds favor FSU.The courts have been favoring free movement and liquidated damages as close to actual demonstrable damage as possible. Since when has a school challenged their conference and vice versa re: movement? There is no precedent for this. Individual movement for players, sure, but breaking ironclad media contracts, not so much. The ACC can easily prove massive damage if the contract is voided. MASSIVE! FSU entered into an agreement & was perfectly happy...until just recently. FSU had an undefeated season & was in consideration for the CFP while being in the ACC. Clemson's won national titles. How is the ACC damaging them? |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jan 10, 2024 17:46:39 GMT -8
I think the odds favor FSU.The courts have been favoring free movement and liquidated damages as close to actual demonstrable damage as possible. Since when has a school challenged their conference and vice versa re: movement? There is no precedent for this. Individual movement for players, sure, but breaking ironclad media contracts, not so much. The ACC can easily prove massive damage if the contract is voided. MASSIVE! FSU entered into an agreement & was perfectly happy...until just recently. FSU had an undefeated season & was in consideration for the CFP while being in the ACC. Clemson's won national titles. How is the ACC damaging them? FSU is mot trying to break a media contract. They are looking to break their agreement with the ACC. The ACC has the exit penalty in their bylaws with the ACC members. The exit clause fees are essentially a liquidated damages clause which is what will be tested. It has not been tested in the realm of college athletics, but I can’t imagine they won’t utilize the same principles and limit the exit fees to actual damages. The ACC is going to have a hard time demonstrating $549M in actual damages. JMO. |
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