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Post by docmm on Jun 11, 2023 13:12:50 GMT -8
My brother is a huge Bruin fan and supporter. 45 yd. line football season tickets, great basketball season seats, contributions to the Bruin Bench and Wooden Club. Last week he called and cancelled everything. Not only was it the BIG move, but he's had it with what the NIL is doing to college athletics. Yeah, I don't think a lot of UCLA alumni like the move, especially given they are the little sister of USC. It will hurt their BB program, travel will be hard. When I think of USC, I think of football. When I think of UCLA, I think BB. If we get invited to the PAC I do see us competing favorable with SoCal recruits with UCLA in BB. I'll be interested to see how the PAC12 guys do against the B1G teams. UCLA and U$C are typically faster, quicker and not as hefty as the slower, bigger and stronger teams that often represent the B1G. Seems like they always get a lot of teams in MM (8 this year) but don't always do that well (6-8 this year with just Michigan State getting past the 1st weekend)
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Post by zurac315 on Jun 11, 2023 13:21:52 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. My brother is a huge Bruin fan and supporter. 45 yd. line football season tickets, great basketball season seats, contributions to the Bruin Bench and Wooden Club. Last week he called and cancelled everything. Not only was it the BIG move, but he's had it with what the NIL is doing to college athletics. I agree with him on the NIL mess. Very discouraging.
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 11, 2023 16:59:44 GMT -8
Almost forgot about SMU. Does anyone check into their site to see if same insanity goin on there? I check one of their message boards, PonyFans.com, once in a while. They don't have the same insanity going on as we do, but at the same time they aren't as confident that they will get a P5 invite as we are. They think they have to win the AAC title outright in football to have any hope of getting an invite. I don't think that is true, and I believe they will get a Pac 12 invite when we do which could happen soon. Since the news came out yesterday that the Big 12 is looking at Memphis State, some of the SMU fans are miffed because a "JUCO" could get invited to a P5 conference before they do. Basically, they have the same opinion of Memphis State as we have of Fresno State....the JUCO up north of us.
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Jun 11, 2023 17:07:18 GMT -8
Almost forgot about SMU. Does anyone check into their site to see if same insanity goin on there? I check one of their message boards, PonyFans.com, once in a while. They don't have the same insanity going on as we do, but at the same time they aren't as confident that they will get a P5 invite as we are. They think they have to win the AAC title outright in football to have any hope of getting an invite. I don't think that is true, and I believe they will get a Pac 12 invite when we do which could happen soon. Since the news came out yesterday that the Big 12 is looking at Memphis State, some of the SMU fans are miffed because a "JUCO" could get invited to a P5 conference before they do. Basically, they have the same opinion of Memphis State as we have of Fresno State....the JUCO up north of us. NOTE: It is the University of Memphis - Not Memphis State.
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 11, 2023 17:26:55 GMT -8
I check one of their message boards, PonyFans.com, once in a while. They don't have the same insanity going on as we do, but at the same time they aren't as confident that they will get a P5 invite as we are. They think they have to win the AAC title outright in football to have any hope of getting an invite. I don't think that is true, and I believe they will get a Pac 12 invite when we do which could happen soon. Since the news came out yesterday that the Big 12 is looking at Memphis State, some of the SMU fans are miffed because a "JUCO" could get invited to a P5 conference before they do. Basically, they have the same opinion of Memphis State as we have of Fresno State....the JUCO up north of us. NOTE: It is the University of Memphis - Not Memphis State. Oops my bad. For some reason I thought it was Memphis State. Duly noted, it is the University of Memphis. Thanks for the correction!
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Jun 11, 2023 17:45:47 GMT -8
NOTE: It is the University of Memphis - Not Memphis State. Oops my bad. For some reason I thought it was Memphis State. Duly noted, it is the University of Memphis. Thanks for the correction! All good...
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Post by Gundo on Jun 11, 2023 18:19:20 GMT -8
Actually Utah agreed to no payout in 2011 (for “early entry” to the conference) and then partial shares for the two years after that (50 percent in 2012 and 75 percent in 2013). I believe you're right about that. If we get 100% from the get go than I'd be very impressed. However even if we have to go through what Utah experienced, I'd be fine with that too. The key is we'll be out of the MWC, period. . Not from Canzano or Wilner, but thru another source re: the timing and June 30th. If the lawyers and accountants continue to drag things out, the PAC & SDSU would likely sign a "Guarantee of Future Admission" document prior to that date. SDSU would next submit their request to leave the Mountain West Conference to avoid the much larger exit fee later.
I have yet to hear anything about "Guarantee of Future Admission" as it pertains to conference realignment. And haven't seen that language either (I do believe it's possible, should all sides agree.) But Coug can you cite the source, is it from the press, social media, the school's PR, or "inside information." The concept of "Guarantee of Future Admission" is true when adding students to Universities to impacted programs etc... I just haven't heard it as it relates to expansion. If true, it would shut down all the Big XII trolls and bull shiters.
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Post by azteclou on Jun 11, 2023 18:26:35 GMT -8
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Post by Gundo on Jun 11, 2023 18:59:36 GMT -8
The MWC TV deal ends on the 25/26 season when the Aztecs leave, I am curious who fills the spot? And it's most likely not going to be from the AAC whose ESPN deal is twice the amount of the MWC and runs through 2032. The AAC has six new member schools–Charlotte, FAU, North Texas, Rice, UAB & UTSA–that will join the conference on July 1, 2023. The new members will be eligible for competition when the 2023–24 athletic season begins. North Texas Texas, Rice & UTSA have been discussed in MWC expansion. Charlotte, FAU, North Texas, Rice, UAB & UTSA will join East Carolina, Memphis, Navy (football only), South Florida, SMU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa & Wichita State (basketball and Olympic Sports only) in the AAC. The conference will officially be a 15-member conference but will compete as a 14-team league in football. FBS TV contracts
Big Ten: $1 billion/year through 2030 (FOX, CBS, NBC) SEC: $811 million/year through 2034 (ESPN) Big 12: $380 million/year through 2031 (ESPN and FOX) Pac-12: $250 million/year through 2024 (ESPN, FOX)ACC: $240 million per year through 2036 (ESPN) AAC: $83.3 million/year through 2032 (ESPN) MWC: $45 million/year through 2026 (CBS and FOX)MAC: $8 million/year through 2023 (ESPN and CBS Sports) Sun Belt: $7 million/year through 2031 (ESPN) CUSA: $4.4 million/year through 2023 (ESPN, CBS Sports Network, NFL Network, Facebook, Stadium) Source: Media reports
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Post by Den60 on Jun 11, 2023 20:11:23 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. USC seems positioned to be alright through the transition as of now, but a couple lackluster seasons to start B1G play and I could see the rose bowl getting overran with B1G fans every home game for UCLA. UCLA was ranked nearly year long this past season and was giving tickets away. Still, averaged under 44K. LA doesn't support a losing team, and UCLA is stuck with the Rose Bowl through 2042. They better hope their B1G partners travel because 20K in that stadium is a horrific visual.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 11, 2023 20:21:05 GMT -8
Almost forgot about SMU. Does anyone check into their site to see if same insanity goin on there? I check one of their message boards, PonyFans.com, once in a while. They don't have the same insanity going on as we do, but at the same time they aren't as confident that they will get a P5 invite as we are. They think they have to win the AAC title outright in football to have any hope of getting an invite. I don't think that is true, and I believe they will get a Pac 12 invite when we do which could happen soon. Since the news came out yesterday that the Big 12 is looking at Memphis State, some of the SMU fans are miffed because a "JUCO" could get invited to a P5 conference before they do. Basically, they have the same opinion of Memphis State as we have of Fresno State....the JUCO up north of us. SDSU is a defensive move for the PAC. They don't take us and the B12 does, likely we drag along Fresno as well. That means the PAC has nothing below the Bay Area. Not going to happen. SMU is an offensive move to get into B12 territory. I think the PAC adds at least one more school in TX come 2030 - Houston, UTSA, Rice being the most likely. Personally, I like UTSA the best, though Houston is right up there as well.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 11, 2023 20:24:31 GMT -8
The MWC TV deal ends on the 25/26 season when the Aztecs leave, I am curious who fills the spot? And it's most likely not going to be from the AAC whose ESPN deal is twice the amount of the MWC. FBS TV contracts
Big Ten: $1 billion/year through 2030 (FOX, CBS, NBC) SEC: $811 million/year through 2034 (ESPN) Big 12: $380 million/year through 2031 (ESPN and FOX) Pac-12: $250 million/year through 2024 (ESPN, FOX) ACC: $240 million per year through 2036 (ESPN) AAC: $83.3 million/year through 2032 (ESPN) MWC: $45 million/year through 2026 (CBS and FOX)MAC: $8 million/year through 2023 (ESPN and CBS Sports) Sun Belt: $7 million/year through 2031 (ESPN) CUSA: $4.4 million/year through 2023 (ESPN, CBS Sports Network, NFL Network, Facebook, Stadium) Source: Media reports To be honest, I don't give a damn what the MWC does. The fact that they tripled their exit fee in 2021 and then doubled it for a late announcement in 2022 just makes me want to flip them off when we leave. And, they will get some $11M in units from this years MM run that we won't see a dime off. Never liked the fact that Boise St got more money than us either. Screw 'em.
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jun 11, 2023 20:30:47 GMT -8
The MWC TV deal ends on the 25/26 season when the Aztecs leave, I am curious who fills the spot? And it's most likely not going to be from the AAC whose ESPN deal is twice the amount of the MWC. FBS TV contracts
Big Ten: $1 billion/year through 2030 (FOX, CBS, NBC) SEC: $811 million/year through 2034 (ESPN) Big 12: $380 million/year through 2031 (ESPN and FOX) Pac-12: $250 million/year through 2024 (ESPN, FOX) ACC: $240 million per year through 2036 (ESPN) AAC: $83.3 million/year through 2032 (ESPN) MWC: $45 million/year through 2026 (CBS and FOX)MAC: $8 million/year through 2023 (ESPN and CBS Sports) Sun Belt: $7 million/year through 2031 (ESPN) CUSA: $4.4 million/year through 2023 (ESPN, CBS Sports Network, NFL Network, Facebook, Stadium) Source: Media reports To be honest, I don't give a damn what the MWC does. The fact that they tripled their exit fee in 2021 and then doubled it for a late announcement in 2022 just makes me want to flip them off when we leave. And, they will get some $11M in units from this years MM run that we won't see a dime off. Never liked the fact that Boise St got more money than us either. Screw 'em. If I remember correctly the MWC increased the exit fees after Air Force and Colorado St. flirted with joining the AAC. Could have been a condition for them to stay (my assumption, no idea if that's true).
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Post by azteccc on Jun 11, 2023 20:47:11 GMT -8
I check one of their message boards, PonyFans.com, once in a while. They don't have the same insanity going on as we do, but at the same time they aren't as confident that they will get a P5 invite as we are. They think they have to win the AAC title outright in football to have any hope of getting an invite. I don't think that is true, and I believe they will get a Pac 12 invite when we do which could happen soon. Since the news came out yesterday that the Big 12 is looking at Memphis State, some of the SMU fans are miffed because a "JUCO" could get invited to a P5 conference before they do. Basically, they have the same opinion of Memphis State as we have of Fresno State....the JUCO up north of us. SDSU is a defensive move for the PAC. They don't take us and the B12 does, likely we drag along Fresno as well. That means the PAC has nothing below the Bay Area. Not going to happen. SMU is an offensive move to get into B12 territory. I think the PAC adds at least one more school in TX come 2030 - Houston, UTSA, Rice being the most likely. Personally, I like UTSA the best, though Houston is right up there as well. I hope we’re the last G5 in the door and we pull the ladder up behind us. I don’t want to be in a conference with any current mid major ever again.
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Post by AzTex on Jun 11, 2023 21:18:06 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. My brother is a huge Bruin fan and supporter. 45 yd. line football season tickets, great basketball season seats, contributions to the Bruin Bench and Wooden Club. Last week he called and cancelled everything. Not only was it the BIG move, but he's had it with what the NIL is doing to college athletics. I don't know if I could go that far with dropping the Aztecs. But, if we started paying the kind of NIL that was basically pay-for-play and turned our athletic program into effectively a semi-pro program I would lose a lot of my passion for the Aztecs.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 11, 2023 22:05:57 GMT -8
The MWC TV deal ends on the 25/26 season when the Aztecs leave, I am curious who fills the spot? And it's most likely not going to be from the AAC whose ESPN deal is twice the amount of the MWC. FBS TV contracts
Big Ten: $1 billion/year through 2030 (FOX, CBS, NBC) SEC: $811 million/year through 2034 (ESPN) Big 12: $380 million/year through 2031 (ESPN and FOX) Pac-12: $250 million/year through 2024 (ESPN, FOX) ACC: $240 million per year through 2036 (ESPN) AAC: $83.3 million/year through 2032 (ESPN) MWC: $45 million/year through 2026 (CBS and FOX)MAC: $8 million/year through 2023 (ESPN and CBS Sports) Sun Belt: $7 million/year through 2031 (ESPN) CUSA: $4.4 million/year through 2023 (ESPN, CBS Sports Network, NFL Network, Facebook, Stadium) Source: Media reports Each AAC program pays millions in covering their own production costs. It's not a good contract.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 12, 2023 7:56:31 GMT -8
OK, I'll make a prediction (guess) that we find out Thursday about the media deal, and shortly thereafter we get the official invite.
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jun 12, 2023 8:39:49 GMT -8
Almost forgot about SMU. Does anyone check into their site to see if same insanity goin on there? I check one of their message boards, PonyFans.com, once in a while. They don't have the same insanity going on as we do, but at the same time they aren't as confident that they will get a P5 invite as we are. They think they have to win the AAC title outright in football to have any hope of getting an invite. I don't think that is true, and I believe they will get a Pac 12 invite when we do which could happen soon. Since the news came out yesterday that the Big 12 is looking at Memphis State, some of the SMU fans are miffed because a "JUCO" could get invited to a P5 conference before they do. Basically, they have the same opinion of Memphis State as we have of Fresno State....the JUCO up north of us. Speaking of SMU, when both of us do join the PAC, I presume they'll be our "rival" on Rivalry Week. I can't imagine the league disrupting the current rivalry format to appease both of us.
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Post by 94sdsu on Jun 12, 2023 9:07:29 GMT -8
I check one of their message boards, PonyFans.com, once in a while. They don't have the same insanity going on as we do, but at the same time they aren't as confident that they will get a P5 invite as we are. They think they have to win the AAC title outright in football to have any hope of getting an invite. I don't think that is true, and I believe they will get a Pac 12 invite when we do which could happen soon. Since the news came out yesterday that the Big 12 is looking at Memphis State, some of the SMU fans are miffed because a "JUCO" could get invited to a P5 conference before they do. Basically, they have the same opinion of Memphis State as we have of Fresno State....the JUCO up north of us. Speaking of SMU, when both of us do join the PAC, I presume they'll be our "rival" on Rivalry Week. I can't imagine the league disrupting the current rivalry format to appease both of us. What other rivalry game would they switch? All the others are perfect natural rivalries. We won’t have one in the PAC….Fresno St is our natural rival.
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Post by omnipotentaztec on Jun 12, 2023 9:15:48 GMT -8
I never felt Fresno State to be our natural rival. BYU felt like one when they were in the league but that ended.
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