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Post by laaztec on Jun 10, 2023 9:47:56 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 10, 2023 10:08:02 GMT -8
To sum up for those without access, and I think it sums up both Canzano & Wilner's takes. Ultimately, this is exactly what Wilner & Canzano have been saying since July: 1. The Pac-12 has been at this for 11 months, since the presidents authorized Kliavkoff to explore a new media rights deal in the wake of USC and UCLA opting to join the Big Ten. 2. The presidents have verbally agreed to a grant-of-rights deal, a crucial step in the process — it binds the schools’ media revenue to the conference — that they would never have taken if Kliavkoff was still trying to rustle up bids from potential partners. (The verbal grant-of-rights agreement was first reported by JohnCanzano.com and has been confirmed by the Hotline.) Our conclusion: Of course the Pac-12 has a sense for the financial piece … for the length of the media contract … for the annual valuation … for the network partners. And Kliavkoff assuredly has passed that information along to the presidents, at least in general form. Re: Schulz’s comments Friday during a budget presentation Board of Regents: The Cougars offered only projections for Pac-12 media revenue starting in the 2025 fiscal year, the first of the next media rights contract cycle. And that makes sense, because the Pac-12 doesn’t have a signed media deal and Schulz was undoubtedly wary of providing hard-and-fast budget numbers to the board before the signed contract. But Schulz also offered this comment about media revenue: “At least the projections (athletic director) Pat Chun and I and others have seen, I’m not sure that it will be a lot larger than we saw in the past, (and) it shouldn’t be smaller than in the past. It may be fairly flat.” If true, that would place the conference within range of the Big 12’s average annual valuation of $31.66 million per school per year, which has been the expectation all along._________As for SDSU, Canzano believes there are negotiations going on behind the scenes as to the %'s they'd receive across the 1st couple years of the deal, with arguments on both sides. He doesn't think we get 100%, but that's just his gut & not anything he's heard. Not from Canzano or Wilner, but thru another source re: the timing and June 30th. If the lawyers and accountants continue to drag things out, the PAC & SDSU would likely sign a "Guarantee of Future Admission" document prior to that date. SDSU would next submit their request to leave the Mountain West Conference to avoid the much larger exit fee later. (Presumably SDSU would also receive a projected schedule of distribution of PAC Media revenue from Kliavkoff which would be further certified when the media rights negotiations are completed). SDSU would be required to delay revealing specific details of the media rights projections to the public until everything is confirmed by the PAC & the media partners due to the restrictions of their NDA. __________ No reason to panic about anything. Things are progressing very well, and there has yet to be any actual negative information presented. Only stupid rumors. Even Robbins is onboard thinking the P12 will stay together & be fine.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 10, 2023 10:15:33 GMT -8
To sum up for those without access, and I think it sums up both Canzano & Wilner's takes. Ultimately, this is exactly what Wilner & Canzano have been saying since July: 1. The Pac-12 has been at this for 11 months, since the presidents authorized Kliavkoff to explore a new media rights deal in the wake of USC and UCLA opting to join the Big Ten. 2. The presidents have verbally agreed to a grant-of-rights deal, a crucial step in the process — it binds the schools’ media revenue to the conference — that they would never have taken if Kliavkoff was still trying to rustle up bids from potential partners. (The verbal grant-of-rights agreement was first reported by JohnCanzano.com and has been confirmed by the Hotline.) Our conclusion: Of course the Pac-12 has a sense for the financial piece … for the length of the media contract … for the annual valuation … for the network partners. And Kliavkoff assuredly has passed that information along to the presidents, at least in general form. Re: Schulz’s comments Friday during a budget presentation Board of Regents: The Cougars offered only projections for Pac-12 media revenue starting in the 2025 fiscal year, the first of the next media rights contract cycle. And that makes sense, because the Pac-12 doesn’t have a signed media deal and Schulz was undoubtedly wary of providing hard-and-fast budget numbers to the board before the signed contract. But Schulz also offered this comment about media revenue: “At least the projections (athletic director) Pat Chun and I and others have seen, I’m not sure that it will be a lot larger than we saw in the past, (and) it shouldn’t be smaller than in the past. It may be fairly flat.” If true, that would place the conference within range of the Big 12’s average annual valuation of $31.66 million per school per year, which has been the expectation all along._________As for SDSU, Canzano believes there are negotiations going on behind the scenes as to the %'s they'd receive across the 1st couple years of the deal, with arguments on both sides. He doesn't think we get 100%, but that's just his gut & not anything he's heard. Not from Canzano or Wilner, but thru another source re: the timing and June 30th. If the lawyers and accountants continue to drag things out, the PAC & SDSU would likely sign a "Guarantee of Future Admission" document prior to that date. SDSU would next submit their request to leave the Mountain West Conference to avoid the much larger exit fee later. (Presumably SDSU would also receive a projected schedule of distribution of PAC Media revenue from Kliavkoff which would be further certified when the media rights negotiations are completed). SDSU would be required to delay revealing specific details of the media rights projections to the public until everything is confirmed by the PAC & the media partners due to the restrictions of their NDA. __________ No reason to panic about anything. Things are progressing very well, and there has yet to be any actual negative information presented. Only stupid rumors. Even Robbins is onboard thinking the P12 will stay together & be fine. This really should be posted on the MWC Forum. The resulting spin from certain individuals (well, at least one in particular) would be epic.
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Post by aztech on Jun 10, 2023 11:09:36 GMT -8
The assumption would be we would get the same deal Utah got when they joined the PAC12, which I believe was 50% share for the first 3 years. Actually Utah agreed to no payout in 2011 (for “early entry” to the conference) and then partial shares for the two years after that (50 percent in 2012 and 75 percent in 2013). I believe you're right about that. If we get 100% from the get go than I'd be very impressed. However even if we have to go through what Utah experienced, I'd be fine with that too. The key is we'll be out of the MWC, period. .
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Post by imtharealist on Jun 10, 2023 11:12:31 GMT -8
To sum up for those without access, and I think it sums up both Canzano & Wilner's takes. Ultimately, this is exactly what Wilner & Canzano have been saying since July: 1. The Pac-12 has been at this for 11 months, since the presidents authorized Kliavkoff to explore a new media rights deal in the wake of USC and UCLA opting to join the Big Ten. 2. The presidents have verbally agreed to a grant-of-rights deal, a crucial step in the process — it binds the schools’ media revenue to the conference — that they would never have taken if Kliavkoff was still trying to rustle up bids from potential partners. (The verbal grant-of-rights agreement was first reported by JohnCanzano.com and has been confirmed by the Hotline.) Our conclusion: Of course the Pac-12 has a sense for the financial piece … for the length of the media contract … for the annual valuation … for the network partners. And Kliavkoff assuredly has passed that information along to the presidents, at least in general form. Re: Schulz’s comments Friday during a budget presentation Board of Regents: The Cougars offered only projections for Pac-12 media revenue starting in the 2025 fiscal year, the first of the next media rights contract cycle. And that makes sense, because the Pac-12 doesn’t have a signed media deal and Schulz was undoubtedly wary of providing hard-and-fast budget numbers to the board before the signed contract. But Schulz also offered this comment about media revenue: “At least the projections (athletic director) Pat Chun and I and others have seen, I’m not sure that it will be a lot larger than we saw in the past, (and) it shouldn’t be smaller than in the past. It may be fairly flat.” If true, that would place the conference within range of the Big 12’s average annual valuation of $31.66 million per school per year, which has been the expectation all along._________As for SDSU, Canzano believes there are negotiations going on behind the scenes as to the %'s they'd receive across the 1st couple years of the deal, with arguments on both sides. He doesn't think we get 100%, but that's just his gut & not anything he's heard. Not from Canzano or Wilner, but thru another source re: the timing and June 30th. If the lawyers and accountants continue to drag things out, the PAC & SDSU would likely sign a "Guarantee of Future Admission" document prior to that date. SDSU would next submit their request to leave the Mountain West Conference to avoid the much larger exit fee later. (Presumably SDSU would also receive a projected schedule of distribution of PAC Media revenue from Kliavkoff which would be further certified when the media rights negotiations are completed). SDSU would be required to delay revealing specific details of the media rights projections to the public until everything is confirmed by the PAC & the media partners due to the restrictions of their NDA. __________ No reason to panic about anything. Things are progressing very well, and there has yet to be any actual negative information presented. Only stupid rumors. Even Robbins is onboard thinking the P12 will stay together & be fine. This really should be posted on the MWC Forum. The resulting spin from certain individuals (well, at least one in particular) would be epic. You already know the main point he will make is that B12 will have better visibility on linear networks. All while not knowing any specifics…
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Post by aardvark on Jun 10, 2023 11:42:13 GMT -8
This really should be posted on the MWC Forum. The resulting spin from certain individuals (well, at least one in particular) would be epic. You already know the main point he will make is that B12 will have better visibility on linear networks. All while not knowing any specifics… But the spin would be comical.
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Post by namssa on Jun 10, 2023 12:42:29 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on Jun 10, 2023 12:48:51 GMT -8
Here is Schultz' quote. I'm bolding the important part. Remember, the PAC members made $32.1M from their media rights deal in 2022. The B12 deal stayed flat as well, even though they lost UT a Oklahoma. PAC is doing the same.
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Post by azteclou on Jun 11, 2023 8:00:02 GMT -8
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Post by frustratedfan on Jun 11, 2023 9:11:06 GMT -8
The Pac 12 media deal will be the same as or more than the Big 12 media deal. IMO, the Pac 12 media deal won't be less than the Big 12 media deal as this guy insinuates.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 11, 2023 10:49:29 GMT -8
The Pac 12 media deal will be the same as or more than the Big 12 media deal. IMO, the Pac 12 media deal won't be less than the Big 12 media deal as this guy insinuates. That's what Schultz seems to indicate, around $32.1M to start. Canzano claims one PAC president said theat they'd beat the B12 deal. If that happens, heads are going to explode all over. Having some sort of partnership with the ACC would be good for both conferences. Maybe one football game each year and basketball game or two. That would solidfy both conferences as one of the top 4, below the P2 but above the B12.
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Post by missiontrails on Jun 11, 2023 11:06:11 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular.
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Post by aztecm on Jun 11, 2023 11:53:21 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. USC seems positioned to be alright through the transition as of now, but a couple lackluster seasons to start B1G play and I could see the rose bowl getting overran with B1G fans every home game for UCLA.
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Post by docmm on Jun 11, 2023 12:04:18 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. We'd have just two high elevation BB games a year, (Colorado and Utah) vs six in the MWC. (Col St, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, Air Force, Utah State)
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Post by hoobs on Jun 11, 2023 12:06:38 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. We'd have just two high elevation BB games a year, (Colorado and Utah) vs six in the MWC. (Col St, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, Air Force, Utah State) And nice, easy direct flights... no more 3-5 hour bus rides after flights
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Post by docmm on Jun 11, 2023 12:10:54 GMT -8
We'd have just two high elevation BB games a year, (Colorado and Utah) vs six in the MWC. (Col St, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, Air Force, Utah State) And nice, easy direct flights... no more 3-5 hour bus rides after flights And most likely, eventually all charter flights.
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Post by aztec75 on Jun 11, 2023 12:40:24 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. My brother is a huge Bruin fan and supporter. 45 yd. line football season tickets, great basketball season seats, contributions to the Bruin Bench and Wooden Club. Last week he called and cancelled everything. Not only was it the BIG move, but he's had it with what the NIL is doing to college athletics.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 11, 2023 12:45:34 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. Yes, it is amazing how people don't understand that SDSU would not be the weakest brand in the PAC initially. Our market is bigger than 3 of the current members and, considering that UTA share their market with BYU we could claim a 4th. The add the Bay area which is shared as well. SDSU, once we ascend to the PAC will grow in stature. We will hit the ground running in BB but will likely struggle a bit in FB. But, we offer them growth potential that no other available FBS school can offer them. Nice that, when it comes to FB and BB, we are the only game in town - one that has 1.1M households.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 11, 2023 12:50:10 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. There are some that think UCLA might be a candidate to move back in 2030. I think that is unlikely, but possible. Especially if they are hit with a heavy Calimony tax.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 11, 2023 12:52:39 GMT -8
If we do get invited to the PAC, one thing we'll have that USC/UCLA can't claim - the combination of greatly increased revenue relative to current payout, and much easier travel. Yes, I know our revenue will pale in comparison to the Big 10 payout, but at least our student athletes will prosper with shorter travel and less high elevation destinations than we get now. I bet a good percentage of Bruin and Trojan fans already regret the move - Bruins in particular. My brother is a huge Bruin fan and supporter. 45 yd. line football season tickets, great basketball season seats, contributions to the Bruin Bench and Wooden Club. Last week he called and cancelled everything. Not only was it the BIG move, but he's had it with what the NIL is doing to college athletics. Yeah, I don't think a lot of UCLA alumni like the move, especially given they are the little sister of USC. It will hurt their BB program, travel will be hard. When I think of USC, I think of football. When I think of UCLA, I think BB. If we get invited to the PAC I do see us competing favorable with SoCal recruits with UCLA in BB.
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