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Post by hoobs on Aug 16, 2023 15:40:58 GMT -8
I'm not sure how you get anyone excited about rebuilding the PAC12 when current teams are still trying to do everything they can do bail. Because it's better than the MW |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 16, 2023 15:53:59 GMT -8
I don't see this, but I don't think Rice and Bush are viewed very favorably by academia. |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 16, 2023 16:05:17 GMT -8
I'm not sure how you get anyone excited about rebuilding the PAC12 when current teams are still trying to do everything they can do bail. Because it's better than the MW I wouldn’t be ecstatic but it’s better than being stuck in the MWC. If we could get away from the bottom half of the MWC that would be a win. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 16, 2023 17:01:53 GMT -8
I don't see this, but I don't think Rice and Bush are viewed very favorably by academia. I adore Dr. Rice, she's fantastic and very well respected. She will be an effective advocate for The Farm. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 17, 2023 4:46:07 GMT -8
From the L.A. Times. Four moments that would have saved the P12, but instead doomed the Conference of Champions. www.latimes.com/sports/story/2023-08-16/pac-12-collapse-decisions-realignment-ucla-oregon1. Kliavkoff proposed guaranteeing UCLA $52m per year for five years to stay in the P12. The Oregon president was adamantly against that proposal, stating he wouldn't be in a conference where Oregon got less than UCLA (which, ironically, is the position Oregon finds itself in.) Had the presidents gone along with that proposal, Kliavkoff and the UC Board of Regents had the votes to actually prevent UCLA from jumping ship. But without that guarantee, the UC Board of Regents voted 11-5 to let UCLA sail away. 2. Kliavkoff proposed expanding to the P20 through a merger with the remaining 8 B12 schools following Texas and Oklahoma's defection to the SEC. He brought the proposal to the P12 presidents' meeting, but USC president Carol Folt immediately shot the proposal down and the other presidents backed off because at the time USC was the linchpin of the conference. Unbeknownst to everyone in the room, Folt & Co. were likely already in discussions with the B10 about USC jumping ship. 3. ESPN offered the remaining P12 schools with a media contract worth about $30m per school, which likely could have been negotiated up to $35m. Then some eggheads at one of the P12 schools got involved. One of the university presidents (probably Stanford or Cal) gave the other presidents an economics report stating that the P12's media rights were actually worth $50m per school. The P12 presidents then gave Kliavkoff marching orders to try to shake ESPN down for $50m instead of $35m. ESPN told the P12 to go pound sand and then gave the $35m deal to the B12. Brilliant. 4. After about a year of negotiations in which both NBC and Amazon eventually bailed, Kliavkoff and the P12 were left only with a $20m Apple deal, a massive discount from their dreams of $50m/annually the year before. Bummer. Don't they teach at Stanford business school that "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered?" Because that's exactly what happened. The P12 immediately blew up and now there is only the wreckage of a 108-year-old conference and the flotsam and jetsam of Cal, Stanford, OSU and WSU. |
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Post by chris92065 on Aug 17, 2023 5:21:17 GMT -8
From the L.A. Times. Four moments that would have saved the P12, but instead doomed the Conference of Champions. www.latimes.com/sports/story/2023-08-16/pac-12-collapse-decisions-realignment-ucla-oregon1. Kliavkoff proposed guaranteeing UCLA $52m per year for five years to stay in the P12. The Oregon president was adamantly against that proposal, stating he wouldn't be in a conference where Oregon got less than UCLA (which, ironically, is the position Oregon finds itself in.) Had the presidents gone along with that proposal, Kliavkoff and the UC Board of Regents had the votes to actually prevent UCLA from jumping ship. But without that guarantee, the UC Board of Regents voted 11-5 to let UCLA sail away. 2. Kliavkoff proposed expanding to the P20 through a merger with the remaining 8 B12 schools following Texas and Oklahoma's defection to the SEC. He brought the proposal to the P12 presidents' meeting, but USC president Carol Folt immediately shot the proposal down and the other presidents backed off because at the time USC was the linchpin of the conference. Unbeknownst to everyone in the room, Folt & Co. were likely already in discussions with the B10 about USC jumping ship. 3. ESPN offered the remaining P12 schools with a media contract worth about $30m per school, which likely could have been negotiated up to $35m. Then some eggheads at one of the P12 schools got involved. One of the university presidents (probably Stanford or Cal) gave the other presidents an economics report stating that the P12's media rights were actually worth $50m per school. The P12 presidents then gave Kliavkoff marching orders to try to shake ESPN down for $50m instead of $35m. ESPN told the P12 to go pound sand and then gave the $35m deal to the B12. Brilliant. 4. After about a year of negotiations in which both NBC and Amazon eventually bailed, Kliavkoff and the P12 were left only with a $20m Apple deal, a massive discount from their dreams of $50m/annually the year before. Bummer. Don't they teach at Stanford business school that "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered?" Because that's exactly what happened. The P12 immediately blew up and now there is only the wreckage of a 108-year-old conference and the flotsam and jetsam of Cal, Stanford, OSU and WSU. I have no doubt that at least Oregon and Washington had no interest in any pac 12 deal at all and wanted to be in the same league as usc and ucla. I would be willing to bet that Oregon and Washington had full knowledge of the big 10 pursuits of usc and ucla and Oregon and Washington were actively involved in a deal with the big 10 the whole time. The 4 corner schools had no choice but to negotiate with the big 12 because they knew that Oregon and Washington were about to bail. They also knew that they could get a full partnership with the big 12. Once Oregon, Washington usc and ucla left there was no way they would be able to get 35 million. The networks had no incentive to pay the pac 12 a mega deal when they could pick the schools they wanted from the pac and save money. This was orchestrated. George was fecked from the get go. |
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Post by aztecalum on Aug 17, 2023 5:54:16 GMT -8
Apparently, Stanford/Cal got exactly what they deserved!
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Post by frustratedfan on Aug 17, 2023 7:51:16 GMT -8
Apparently, Stanford/Cal got exactly what they deserved! True. but when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? Let me remind everyone what these parasites have done in the past to SDSU. If my memory serves me right, when Lionel Hamilton was on our football roster Oregon, in total violation of NCAA rules, was in contact with him trying to convince him to transfer to Oregon. Did anything ever happen to Oregon for this blatant violation of NCAA rules?...Nope. Then when that clown from CBS Sports, Parrish, got a "tip" from a source of his in the Pac 12 that SDSU was guilty of recruiting violations guess who benefitted from this COMPLETE FALSE FABRICATION against SDSU? Lo and behold immediately after Parrish made these completely false accusations against SDSU public a high rated recruit that was coming to SDSU suddenly changed his mind, because of the false accusations against us, and decided to go to Oregon instead. Geez...just a coincidence? Now we learn that Oregon had a major hand in destroying the Pac 12. So, I repeat my question, when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? They are nothing but low-level amphibian scum. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 17, 2023 7:53:46 GMT -8
Apparently, Stanford/Cal got exactly what they deserved! True. but when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? Let me remind everyone what these parasites have done in the past to SDSU. If my memory serves me right, when Lionel Hamilton was on our football roster Oregon, in total violation of NCAA rules, was in contact with him trying to convince him to transfer to Oregon. Did anything ever happen to Oregon for this blatant violation of NCAA rules?...Nope. Then when that clown from CBS Sports, Parrish, got a "tip" from a source of his in the Pac 12 that SDSU was guilty of recruiting violations guess who benefitted from this COMPLETE FALSE FABRICATION against SDSU? Lo and behold immediately after Parrish made these completely false accusations against SDSU public a high rated recruit that was coming to SDSU suddenly changed his mind, because of the false accusations against us, and decided to go to Oregon instead. Geez...just a coincidence? Now we learn that Oregon had a major hand in destroying the Pac 12. So, I repeat my question, when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? They are nothing but low-level amphibian scum. I think you will be happy... my hunch is that Oregon will be at best a mid-level team (football & hoops) in the B1G |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 17, 2023 8:29:47 GMT -8
True. but when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? Let me remind everyone what these parasites have done in the past to SDSU. If my memory serves me right, when Lionel Hamilton was on our football roster Oregon, in total violation of NCAA rules, was in contact with him trying to convince him to transfer to Oregon. Did anything ever happen to Oregon for this blatant violation of NCAA rules?...Nope. Then when that clown from CBS Sports, Parrish, got a "tip" from a source of his in the Pac 12 that SDSU was guilty of recruiting violations guess who benefitted from this COMPLETE FALSE FABRICATION against SDSU? Lo and behold immediately after Parrish made these completely false accusations against SDSU public a high rated recruit that was coming to SDSU suddenly changed his mind, because of the false accusations against us, and decided to go to Oregon instead. Geez...just a coincidence? Now we learn that Oregon had a major hand in destroying the Pac 12. So, I repeat my question, when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? They are nothing but low-level amphibian scum. I think you will be happy... my hunch is that Oregon will be at best a mid-level team (football & hoops) in the B1G Oregon Hoops… over the next 10 years… will average about a 12th place finish Oregon Football… maybe a little better… am average finish of around 8th |
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Post by azteclou on Aug 17, 2023 8:35:30 GMT -8
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Post by AzTuba85 on Aug 17, 2023 9:06:07 GMT -8
Calford, just go. Good riddance...
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Post by Den60 on Aug 17, 2023 9:07:01 GMT -8
True. but when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? Let me remind everyone what these parasites have done in the past to SDSU. If my memory serves me right, when Lionel Hamilton was on our football roster Oregon, in total violation of NCAA rules, was in contact with him trying to convince him to transfer to Oregon. Did anything ever happen to Oregon for this blatant violation of NCAA rules?...Nope. Then when that clown from CBS Sports, Parrish, got a "tip" from a source of his in the Pac 12 that SDSU was guilty of recruiting violations guess who benefitted from this COMPLETE FALSE FABRICATION against SDSU? Lo and behold immediately after Parrish made these completely false accusations against SDSU public a high rated recruit that was coming to SDSU suddenly changed his mind, because of the false accusations against us, and decided to go to Oregon instead. Geez...just a coincidence? Now we learn that Oregon had a major hand in destroying the Pac 12. So, I repeat my question, when is Oregon going to get what they deserve? They are nothing but low-level amphibian scum. I think you will be happy... my hunch is that Oregon will be at best a mid-level team (football & hoops) in the B1G The former PAC schools will lose hoops commits to the B12. Travel will suck for them. The only school leaving that actually cares about BB is UCLA. |
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Post by aztec619 on Aug 17, 2023 9:07:24 GMT -8
I think you will be happy... my hunch is that Oregon will be at best a mid-level team (football & hoops) in the B1G Oregon Hoops… over the next 10 years… will average about a 12th place finish Oregon Football… maybe a little better… am average finish of around 8th You both may be right about this but I'd still trade places with Oregon in a heartbeat to be in one of those 2 power conferences. |
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Post by rebar619 on Aug 17, 2023 9:17:19 GMT -8
I think you will be happy... my hunch is that Oregon will be at best a mid-level team (football & hoops) in the B1G The former PAC schools will lose hoops commits to the B12. Travel will suck for them. The only school leaving that actually cares about BB is UCLA. I tend to agree. I have a hard time seeing the ExPac schools succeeding in the B1G due to travel and playing in the midwest. If that is the case it will be interesting to see if there are second thoughts by the PNW schools come 2030. I am not convinced the "super conference" structure will survive long term due to travel and fan interest. |
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Post by aztecm on Aug 17, 2023 9:18:56 GMT -8
I think you will be happy... my hunch is that Oregon will be at best a mid-level team (football & hoops) in the B1G The former PAC schools will lose hoops commits to the B12. Travel will suck for them. The only school leaving that actually cares about BB is UCLA. If current realignment were to stay I do think we're actually better positioned to land west coast bball recruits. Only so many roster spots on UCLA/USC + lots of travel. No other west coast somewhat regional conference. |
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Post by rockshow on Aug 17, 2023 9:31:07 GMT -8
The former PAC schools will lose hoops commits to the B12. Travel will suck for them. The only school leaving that actually cares about BB is UCLA. I tend to agree. I have a hard time seeing the ExPac schools succeeding in the B1G due to travel and playing in the midwest. If that is the case it will be interesting to see if there are second thoughts by the PNW schools come 2030. I am not convinced the "super conference" structure will survive long term due to travel and fan interest. Football will break off from the rest of the NCAA. Traveling to the Midwest or East Coast 4-5 times a year isn't a big deal. |
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Aug 17, 2023 9:40:56 GMT -8
If Wilner is reporting that Calford is likely to go we can pretty much bank that it won't happen, right? |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 17, 2023 9:46:06 GMT -8
If Wilner is reporting that Calford is likely to go we can pretty much bank that it won't happen, right? I was thinking the same thing. |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 17, 2023 9:49:28 GMT -8
Calford, just go. Good riddance... IF they go, then I think any vestige of our chances of being involved in a power conference will have gone with them. The two remaining lightweights cannot possibly create even a mirage of a power conference and any media deal will reflect that: Somewhere in the $6 or $7 million range. |
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