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Post by standiego on Aug 17, 2023 9:58:41 GMT -8
agree would hope that the PAC 4 schools see that the best option might be to be in control of the new PAC - assist their players in a variety of the smaller Sports on travel and being able to attend classes - not having to head East
But ego can get in the way - in addition how long will the ACC last and what power will the PAC schools have in decision making
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Post by rockshow on Aug 17, 2023 10:05:02 GMT -8
Calford, just go. Good riddance... IF they go, then I think any vestige of our chances of being involved in a power conference will have gone with them. The two remaining lightweights cannot possibly create even a mirage of a power conference and any media deal will reflect that: Somewhere in the $6 or $7 million range. Maybe. Or the Big 12 decides they want 18 teams at some point in the next couple years. When you are the "best of the rest", there is always a chance. Just gotta keep winning and hopefully building a bigger fanbase for football and hope we're attractive enough to a TV network in the next 3 years. I do believe it's much easier to stay at the party once you get your foot in the door. Sure Wazzu and Oregon St look like they got kicked out. But that's two schools left out compared to how many invited in from the last 20 years. Once SDSU gets in a power conference, I think they stay there no matter how the next round of realignment goes. |
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Post by chris92065 on Aug 17, 2023 10:17:39 GMT -8
IF they go, then I think any vestige of our chances of being involved in a power conference will have gone with them. The two remaining lightweights cannot possibly create even a mirage of a power conference and any media deal will reflect that: Somewhere in the $6 or $7 million range. Maybe. Or the Big 12 decides they want 18 teams at some point in the next couple years. When you are the "best of the rest", there is always a chance. Just gotta keep winning and hopefully building a bigger fanbase for football and hope we're attractive enough to a TV network in the next 3 years. I do believe it's much easier to stay at the party once you get your foot in the door. Sure Wazzu and Oregon St look like they got kicked out. But that's two schools left out compared to how many invited in from the last 20 years. Once SDSU gets in a power conference, I think they stay there no matter how the next round of realignment goes. This. I believe that this scenario is our best shot. Calford has no interest in building a new conference. People need to understand that none of the pac schools had any interest in sticking together once usc and ucla bailed. |
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Post by aztech on Aug 17, 2023 10:17:55 GMT -8
The former PAC schools will lose hoops commits to the B12. Travel will suck for them. The only school leaving that actually cares about BB is UCLA. If current realignment were to stay I do think we're actually better positioned to land west coast bball recruits. Only so many roster spots on UCLA/USC + lots of travel. No other west coast somewhat regional conference. That's true because football is weekly so that's not too bad. However MBB has multiple games weekly. Long air trips can sap your energy over time. That's a killer when it comes to basketball. |
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Post by standiego on Aug 17, 2023 10:20:30 GMT -8
The Big 12 - just turned down Zags and UCONN and has said they are comfortable with their current schools - so doubt they are going to add more
They also know they can firmly suggest to the new schools that they added they provide the later games if needed - so think any getting into the Big 12 seems doubtful for at least the present time
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Post by rockshow on Aug 17, 2023 10:30:08 GMT -8
The Big 12 - just turned down Zags and UCONN and has said they are comfortable with their current schools - so doubt they are going to add more They also know they can firmly suggest to the new schools that they added they provide the later games if needed - so think any getting into the Big 12 seems doubtful for at least the present time The Zags and UConn don't offer anything outside basketball. SDSU has the potential to offer a lot in football. They are the only high level football team in a county of 3.3 million. With a brand new stadium and growing and stable partnerships. And we're all sick of hearing about SoCal, but everything this area offers to a conference does count for something. The Big 12 turning down UConn and Gonzaga doesn't signal anything to me about the likelihood of SDSU one day being invited. Their ceiling in terms of value added is much lower than SDSU's. |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 17, 2023 10:42:06 GMT -8
Cal playing in the ACC is pathetic and laughable
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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 17, 2023 10:42:24 GMT -8
From the L.A. Times. Four moments that would have saved the P12, but instead doomed the Conference of Champions. www.latimes.com/sports/story/2023-08-16/pac-12-collapse-decisions-realignment-ucla-oregon1. Kliavkoff proposed guaranteeing UCLA $52m per year for five years to stay in the P12. The Oregon president was adamantly against that proposal, stating he wouldn't be in a conference where Oregon got less than UCLA (which, ironically, is the position Oregon finds itself in.) Had the presidents gone along with that proposal, Kliavkoff and the UC Board of Regents had the votes to actually prevent UCLA from jumping ship. But without that guarantee, the UC Board of Regents voted 11-5 to let UCLA sail away. 2. Kliavkoff proposed expanding to the P20 through a merger with the remaining 8 B12 schools following Texas and Oklahoma's defection to the SEC. He brought the proposal to the P12 presidents' meeting, but USC president Carol Folt immediately shot the proposal down and the other presidents backed off because at the time USC was the linchpin of the conference. Unbeknownst to everyone in the room, Folt & Co. were likely already in discussions with the B10 about USC jumping ship. 3. ESPN offered the remaining P12 schools with a media contract worth about $30m per school, which likely could have been negotiated up to $35m. Then some eggheads at one of the P12 schools got involved. One of the university presidents (probably Stanford or Cal) gave the other presidents an economics report stating that the P12's media rights were actually worth $50m per school. The P12 presidents then gave Kliavkoff marching orders to try to shake ESPN down for $50m instead of $35m. ESPN told the P12 to go pound sand and then gave the $35m deal to the B12. Brilliant. 4. After about a year of negotiations in which both NBC and Amazon eventually bailed, Kliavkoff and the P12 were left only with a $20m Apple deal, a massive discount from their dreams of $50m/annually the year before. Bummer. Don't they teach at Stanford business school that "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered?" Because that's exactly what happened. The P12 immediately blew up and now there is only the wreckage of a 108-year-old conference and the flotsam and jetsam of Cal, Stanford, OSU and WSU. I have no doubt that at least Oregon and Washington had no interest in any pac 12 deal at all and wanted to be in the same league as usc and ucla. I would be willing to bet that Oregon and Washington had full knowledge of the big 10 pursuits of usc and ucla and Oregon and Washington were actively involved in a deal with the big 10 the whole time. The 4 corner schools had no choice but to negotiate with the big 12 because they knew that Oregon and Washington were about to bail. They also knew that they could get a full partnership with the big 12. Once Oregon, Washington usc and ucla left there was no way they would be able to get 35 million. The networks had no incentive to pay the pac 12 a mega deal when they could pick the schools they wanted from the pac and save money. This was orchestrated. George was fecked from the get go. Concur. There was zero good-faith negotiations going on from the start. And the cockamamie nonsense that one of the presidents threw at the group -- a report by a bunch of egghead professors stating that the media value for each school should clock in at $50m -- was simply a smokescreen and delay tactic to prevent a vote on accepting an actual deal from ESPN that would've anchored all the schools to the P12 for at least 5 years. Several of the presidents wanted to avoid being tied down like the plague, as it's now obvious. |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 17, 2023 10:44:59 GMT -8
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 17, 2023 10:50:22 GMT -8
Oregon Hoops… over the next 10 years… will average about a 12th place finish Oregon Football… maybe a little better… am average finish of around 8th You both may be right about this but I'd still trade places with Oregon in a heartbeat to be in one of those 2 power conferences. Agree… except for CFP… much easier in new PAC4 or MWC |
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Post by sdmotohead on Aug 17, 2023 11:09:31 GMT -8
Some quotes from this article in The Atlantic: "Obviously, (Group of 5) options are out there. But that’s not our priority." - Ouch. On Stanford and Cal to the ACC "When I say the waters are clearing, that’s certainly one aspect of what I’m talking about directly. Very soon, we’re hopeful that there’s finality to whether or not that’ll happen. That in and of itself gives us clarity on moving forward. That really is a key question that needs to be answered. My feeling is that we’ll know very soon. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can move forward together." |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 17, 2023 11:56:12 GMT -8
Some quotes from this article in The Atlantic: "Obviously, (Group of 5) options are out there. But that’s not our priority." - Ouch. On Stanford and Cal to the ACC "When I say the waters are clearing, that’s certainly one aspect of what I’m talking about directly. Very soon, we’re hopeful that there’s finality to whether or not that’ll happen. That in and of itself gives us clarity on moving forward. That really is a key question that needs to be answered. My feeling is that we’ll know very soon. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can move forward together." There are no other options… G5 is all they got… |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 17, 2023 12:01:53 GMT -8
Some quotes from this article in The Atlantic: "Obviously, (Group of 5) options are out there. But that’s not our priority." - Ouch. On Stanford and Cal to the ACC "When I say the waters are clearing, that’s certainly one aspect of what I’m talking about directly. Very soon, we’re hopeful that there’s finality to whether or not that’ll happen. That in and of itself gives us clarity on moving forward. That really is a key question that needs to be answered. My feeling is that we’ll know very soon. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can move forward together." There are no other options… G5 is all they got… It’s an odd sentence, I think the point was that they were going to be selective and not just add to add. JMO. |
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Post by standiego on Aug 17, 2023 12:02:13 GMT -8
Correct the PAC was a an All for Me group of schools and still could be All for Me
SDSU can not control what the PAC 4 are going to do
So as before SDSU is in a holding pattern waiting to see what the PAC schools are going to do
In addition it sure looks as though the Big 12 is content to stay the way it currently is
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 17, 2023 12:11:43 GMT -8
Correct the PAC was a an All for Me group of schools and still could be All for Me SDSU can not control what the PAC 4 are going to do So as before SDSU is in a holding pattern waiting to see what the PAC schools are going to do In addition it sure looks as though the Big 12 is content to stay the way it currently is To be fair, all schools in and/or flirting with P5 status are "all for me". The remaining 8 B12 schools (after UT/Ok left) were "all for me", seeking membership in the P12. Several ACC schools would leave in a heartbeat if either the B10/SEC came calling, as would ANY school not currently in those 2 conferences (except ND who is also all about "me"). The P12 wasn't any different. EVERYONE is "all for me", which is why college athletics is fading into what it is today unfortunately. When regionality went out the door and when certain revenues jumped $30-$40M above everyone else, the entire paradigm shifted. It's a "all for me" world. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 17, 2023 13:54:28 GMT -8
Correct the PAC was a an All for Me group of schools and still could be All for Me SDSU can not control what the PAC 4 are going to do So as before SDSU is in a holding pattern waiting to see what the PAC schools are going to do In addition it sure looks as though the Big 12 is content to stay the way it currently is To be fair, all schools in and/or flirting with P5 status are "all for me". The remaining 8 B12 schools (after UT/Ok left) were "all for me", seeking membership in the P12. Several ACC schools would leave in a heartbeat if either the B10/SEC came calling, as would ANY school not currently in those 2 conferences (except ND who is also all about "me"). The P12 wasn't any different. EVERYONE is "all for me", which is why college athletics is fading into what it is today unfortunately. When regionality went out the door and when certain revenues jumped $30-$40M above everyone else, the entire paradigm shifted. It's a "all for me" world. Very True, everyone wants the best seat at table. State included. |
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Post by sdcoug on Aug 17, 2023 14:44:35 GMT -8
Cal playing in the ACC is pathetic and laughable On the bright side for them, their alimony from UCLA will be larger.... |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 17, 2023 15:01:41 GMT -8
Some quotes from this article in The Atlantic: "Obviously, (Group of 5) options are out there. But that’s not our priority." - Ouch. On Stanford and Cal to the ACC "When I say the waters are clearing, that’s certainly one aspect of what I’m talking about directly. Very soon, we’re hopeful that there’s finality to whether or not that’ll happen. That in and of itself gives us clarity on moving forward. That really is a key question that needs to be answered. My feeling is that we’ll know very soon. I’m cautiously optimistic that we can move forward together." There are no other options… G5 is all they got… I think he meant if the PAC dissolved completely. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 17, 2023 16:37:28 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Aug 17, 2023 16:38:23 GMT -8
Cal playing in the ACC is pathetic and laughable On the bright side for them, their alimony from UCLA will be larger.... Which in turn means that UCLA's adventure in the B1G is getting $$$ worse before it even starts |
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