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Post by aztecmusician on Apr 5, 2023 12:17:24 GMT -8
No, it's not like that at all. You asked why is it a big deal. The Chinese collecting sensitive, military info says it all. It absolutely answers your question. You don't have to go on a long spiel, in some cases, when a few words do the trick. If you're asking me why China did it? Well, that's a ridiculous question. By the way, if you're enamored with the way Howard Cosell would go on and on, just to hear himself speak, I'm not shocked. It fits. he really loved to massage that ego. Although, he was really good in other ways of broadcasting. Without knowing what the sensitive data is, beyond speculation, it's impossible to know if it's a big deal or not. Clickbait 101. Like I've said now, selective outrage just to be angry isn't my thing. That's why I asked. If it's just electronic signals, like the article suggests, I'm unimpressed. There are layers to military intelligence, far beyond what we are privy to in the public eye. China spies on America every single day, for what it's worth. We spy on them, too. How the game is played. We have much more important things to worry about domestically happening right now. The major problem with the ballon incident was the hesitant way it was dealt with. Maybe the Biden people were on top of things, but the overall appearance and track record of this administration suggests otherwise. They seem unable to decisively deal with pretty much everything from supply chain issues to Afghanistan. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 5, 2023 12:52:44 GMT -8
Oh, CNN is still left leaning, but they needed to make an adjustment because their ratings were horrible. About the balloon, oh, I don't know, make because they were able to gather intelligence from sensitive military sites. That's all. Is it not that big of a deal now, only because you said that they did not gather intelligence? Uh huh. All of a sudden it's, "Tell me why it's such a big deal?" Can you ever say that you were simply wrong about something? Sheesh. They literally fired a reporter (Harwood) the day after he praised a Biden speech, while also commenting that Trump "imperiled democracy." Ratings? Try again. apnews.com/article/cnn-ratings-chris-licht-584ea2b45819d2cc416006d7bd8b77e8WB/Discovery took over with a mandate to shift WAY off their previous bearing. They covered Trump's entire batshit crazy speech tonight, with no pushback. So, yeah, no. Back to the balloon: Why is this a big deal? You're coming after me in a conversation I wasn't even in. Where is the analysis on why this is a big deal? Just answer the question. I'm guessing the short answer is "I don't know" but enlighten me. You say that CNN aired his speech. Well, of course they did. As you say, this was an unprecedented event. Also, they aired the speech for not only that reason, but also to critique it, which they have. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 13:28:57 GMT -8
They literally fired a reporter (Harwood) the day after he praised a Biden speech, while also commenting that Trump "imperiled democracy." Ratings? Try again. apnews.com/article/cnn-ratings-chris-licht-584ea2b45819d2cc416006d7bd8b77e8WB/Discovery took over with a mandate to shift WAY off their previous bearing. They covered Trump's entire batshit crazy speech tonight, with no pushback. So, yeah, no. Back to the balloon: Why is this a big deal? You're coming after me in a conversation I wasn't even in. Where is the analysis on why this is a big deal? Just answer the question. I'm guessing the short answer is "I don't know" but enlighten me. You say that CNN aired his speech. Well, of course they did. As you say, this was an unprecedented event. Also, they aired the speech for not only that reason, but also to critique it, which they have. A campaign speech, filled with already debunked lies, is not an unprecedented event. Nor is it necessary to "critique" anything. Note the difference here between CNN and MSNBC. We don't need to normalize propaganda. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 13:42:39 GMT -8
Without knowing what the sensitive data is, beyond speculation, it's impossible to know if it's a big deal or not. Clickbait 101. Like I've said now, selective outrage just to be angry isn't my thing. That's why I asked. If it's just electronic signals, like the article suggests, I'm unimpressed. There are layers to military intelligence, far beyond what we are privy to in the public eye. China spies on America every single day, for what it's worth. We spy on them, too. How the game is played. We have much more important things to worry about domestically happening right now. The major problem with the ballon incident was the hesitant way it was dealt with. Maybe the Biden people were on top of things, but the overall appearance and track record of this administration suggests otherwise. They seem unable to decisively deal with pretty much everything from supply chain issues to Afghanistan. Hey, at least you're consistent. |
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Post by aardvark on Apr 5, 2023 14:26:54 GMT -8
I'm only here to impress you, aardvark. I hope my efforts aren't in vain. Impress me? No. But I do respect your opinions (I just don't agree with many of them--at least in this section of the forum). And you don't just post a comment here without attempting to justify it with an explanation. If people disagree, it's always better to have rational discussions of the issues--something that could probably work wonders in local, state, and national governing bodies throughout this country. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 14:35:27 GMT -8
I'm only here to impress you, aardvark. I hope my efforts aren't in vain. Impress me? No. But I do respect your opinions (I just don't agree with many of them--at least in this section of the forum). And you don't just post a comment here without attempting to justify it with an explanation. If people disagree, it's always better to have rational discussions of the issues--something that could probably work wonders in local, state, and national governing bodies throughout this country. Nobody is impressed around here! I want a refund.  It's a little ironic - I stayed away from politics for my entire adult life, just to avoid confrontation since you'll never change anyone's mind who has already made it up. But the things that have happened/are happening matter, those things require context and debate is healthy. I wish I knew more moderate conservatives. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 5, 2023 14:36:14 GMT -8
You say that CNN aired his speech. Well, of course they did. As you say, this was an unprecedented event. Also, they aired the speech for not only that reason, but also to critique it, which they have. A campaign speech, filled with already debunked lies, is not an unprecedented event. Nor is it necessary to "critique" anything. Note the difference here between CNN and MSNBC. We don't need to normalize propaganda. The indictment is unprecedented, and if they didn't air the speech, nobody would tune into their channel, at that time. You should know better than that. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 14:44:31 GMT -8
A campaign speech, filled with already debunked lies, is not an unprecedented event. Nor is it necessary to "critique" anything. Note the difference here between CNN and MSNBC. We don't need to normalize propaganda. The indictment is unprecedented, and if they didn't air the speech, nobody would tune into their channel, at that time. You should know better than that. And I won't admit I'm wrong...wait, I already did. The speech had very little to do with the indictment, as you obviously know. Outside of attacking the judge and violating the Parker request, of course. MSNBC watched the whole thing, off camera, which is obviously a choice CNN also had if there was information that was valuable. So either CNN is left-leaning like you claim, or they favor Trump for ratings and clicks. You can't have both. You should know better than that. Here's the truth: We are in an information vacuum, like I said yesterday. And your bizarre, meek justifications for CNN's airing plays right into that vacuum. Might as well make the jump to Fox or Newsmax. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 5, 2023 14:56:34 GMT -8
The indictment is unprecedented, and if they didn't air the speech, nobody would tune into their channel, at that time. You should know better than that. And I won't admit I'm wrong...wait, I already did. The speech had very little to do with the indictment, as you obviously know. Outside of attacking the judge and violating the Parker request, of course. MSNBC watched the whole thing, off camera, which is obviously a choice CNN also had if there was information that was valuable. So either CNN is left-leaning like you claim, or they favor Trump for ratings and clicks. You can't have both. You should know better than that. Here's the truth: We are in an information vacuum, like I said yesterday. And your bizarre, meek justifications for CNN's airing plays right into that vacuum. Might as well make the jump to Fox or Newsmax. Of course they can do both, and DO. You should know better than that. News channels contradict themselves, constantly. Meek? Bizarre? The only thing that's meek and bizarre is you thinking that a major news channel like CNN shouldn't air Trump's speech. Get your head out of the sand. If you don't think ratings are a huge factor, then I can't help you. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 5, 2023 15:04:23 GMT -8
The indictment is unprecedented, and if they didn't air the speech, nobody would tune into their channel, at that time. You should know better than that. And I won't admit I'm wrong...wait, I already did. The speech had very little to do with the indictment, as you obviously know. Outside of attacking the judge and violating the Parker request, of course. MSNBC watched the whole thing, off camera, which is obviously a choice CNN also had if there was information that was valuable. So either CNN is left-leaning like you claim, or they favor Trump for ratings and clicks. You can't have both. You should know better than that. Here's the truth: We are in an information vacuum, like I said yesterday. And your bizarre, meek justifications for CNN's airing plays right into that vacuum. Might as well make the jump to Fox or Newsmax. YOU admit that you're wrong? Only when cornered, and you've exhausted all of your spin attempts. After that show that you put on, you'll lessen the reason why you're wrong, ad nauseam. I gotta hand it you though, it's a well oiled spin machine you got going on there. I'm sure you're proud. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 15:08:37 GMT -8
And I won't admit I'm wrong...wait, I already did. The speech had very little to do with the indictment, as you obviously know. Outside of attacking the judge and violating the Parker request, of course. MSNBC watched the whole thing, off camera, which is obviously a choice CNN also had if there was information that was valuable. So either CNN is left-leaning like you claim, or they favor Trump for ratings and clicks. You can't have both. You should know better than that. Here's the truth: We are in an information vacuum, like I said yesterday. And your bizarre, meek justifications for CNN's airing plays right into that vacuum. Might as well make the jump to Fox or Newsmax. Of course they can do both, and DO. You should know better than that. News channels contradict themselves, constantly. Meek? Bizarre? The only thing that's meek and bizarre is you thinking that a major news channel like CNN isn't going to air Trump's speech. Get your head out of the sand. If you don't think ratings are a huge factor, then I can't help you. My head isn't the one in the sand. First, you said it was so they could "critique" the speech, which you said they did. How so? Now, you're saying it was a ratings ploy, despite CNN's ratings going down the toilet for months with the same coverage model. Why did MSNBC not air it at all? Not interested in ratings? CNN's directive was to be more right of the center, and they are certainly succeeding. Interviews with Alina Habba, Mike Pence and others. It's a serious norm shift in the face of being more Trump-friendly. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 5, 2023 15:23:34 GMT -8
Of course they can do both, and DO. You should know better than that. News channels contradict themselves, constantly. Meek? Bizarre? The only thing that's meek and bizarre is you thinking that a major news channel like CNN isn't going to air Trump's speech. Get your head out of the sand. If you don't think ratings are a huge factor, then I can't help you. My head isn't the one in the sand. First, you said it was so they could "critique" the speech, which you said they did. How so? Now, you're saying it was a ratings ploy, despite CNN's ratings going down the toilet for months with the same coverage model. Why did MSNBC not air it at all? Not interested in ratings? CNN's directive was to be more right of the center, and they are certainly succeeding. Interviews with Alina Habba, Mike Pence and others. It's a serious norm shift in the face of being more Trump-friendly. Wrong AGAIN. I first said that it was about ratings, then I added to critique it. Sheesh. I should probably go over a lot more of my posts to find your inconsistencies and where you're wrong. There's probably a plethora of them. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 16:20:23 GMT -8
My head isn't the one in the sand. First, you said it was so they could "critique" the speech, which you said they did. How so? Now, you're saying it was a ratings ploy, despite CNN's ratings going down the toilet for months with the same coverage model. Why did MSNBC not air it at all? Not interested in ratings? CNN's directive was to be more right of the center, and they are certainly succeeding. Interviews with Alina Habba, Mike Pence and others. It's a serious norm shift in the face of being more Trump-friendly. Wrong AGAIN. I first said that it was about ratings, then I added to critique it. Sheesh. I should probably go over a lot more of my posts to find your inconsistencies and where you're wrong. There's probably a plethora of them. When you talk in wandering generalities 24/7, that tends to happen. But you're right, you said "unprecedented event" and also "critique." Fair point. What was their critique? Anyone comment on him announcing he committed a felony on national TV? |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 5, 2023 16:32:00 GMT -8
Wrong AGAIN. I first said that it was about ratings, then I added to critique it. Sheesh. I should probably go over a lot more of my posts to find your inconsistencies and where you're wrong. There's probably a plethora of them. When you talk in wandering generalities 24/7, that tends to happen. But you're right, you said "unprecedented event" and also "critique." Fair point. What was their critique? Anyone comment on him announcing he committed a felony on national TV? Yep, I said ratings first. Wandering generalities? If you can't keep up with me, and what I posted, that's a concern. Remember, I'm the one that you say is in the background yelling "Yeah, that's it." "You tell him!!!" I'm pretty simple, right? You can't follow that? Wow. Moving on. Unless you don't want to. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 16:34:52 GMT -8
When you talk in wandering generalities 24/7, that tends to happen. But you're right, you said "unprecedented event" and also "critique." Fair point. What was their critique? Anyone comment on him announcing he committed a felony on national TV? Yep, I said ratings first. Wandering generalities? If you can't keep up with me, and what I posted, that's a concern. Remember, I'm the one that you say is in the background yelling "Yeah, that's it." "You tell him!!!" I'm pretty simple, right? You can't follow that? Wow. Moving on. Unless you don't want to. What was the critique? |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 19:12:48 GMT -8
"Left leaning" as Mike Davis from The Federalist Society is interviewed, talking about something he can't even figure out. We don't need to continue the charade.
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 5, 2023 19:24:35 GMT -8
Yep, I said ratings first. Wandering generalities? If you can't keep up with me, and what I posted, that's a concern. Remember, I'm the one that you say is in the background yelling "Yeah, that's it." "You tell him!!!" I'm pretty simple, right? You can't follow that? Wow. Moving on. Unless you don't want to. What was the critique? Well, like you say at times. "All it takes is a simple Google search." "It's your friend." Just throwing back one of the MANY snide remarks you've thrown at me in the past. They did a fact check on his speech. Check it out. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2023 19:59:19 GMT -8
Well, like you say at times. "All it takes is a simple Google search." "It's your friend." Just throwing back one of the MANY snide remarks you've thrown at me in the past. They did a fact check on his speech. Check it out. Good. Nice to know Dale is still trying, at least someone there is. |
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It's a little ironic - I stayed away from politics for my entire adult life, just to avoid confrontation since you'll never change anyone's mind who has already made it up. But the things that have happened/are happening matter, those things require context and debate is healthy. I wish I knew more moderate conservatives.