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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 21:49:59 GMT -8
You didn't read the article because it wasn't even positively identified as a balloon. Much smaller than the previous actual balloon. It proves absolutely nothing other than you seeing what you want to see. This unidentified aircraft was flying at 40,000 feet - The same approximate airspace as a commerical airliner, which poses a civilian threat. The Chinese balloon was flying at 60,000 feet and wasn't a threat to anything. The causation/correlation fail here is extreme. The fact is that they COULD have shot it out of the sky over Alaska. No threat to people on the ground. You say why, and I say why not since it was China invading our air space. That's plenty good reason. That's not a fact. A fact can be backed up by evidence that proves that to be true. Literally nothing in your post is factual. "They could have shot it down over Alaska." Not a fact, conjecture, based on a separate incident with much different circumstances. "No threat to people on the ground." How would you know? Do you live in Alaska? The previous balloon didn't need to be shot down, it posed no threat in the AIR, evidenced by the fact the Pentagon monitored its flight throughout. It may be plenty good reason for you, but it's haphazard logic to get there. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 10, 2023 21:52:48 GMT -8
The fact is that they COULD have shot it out of the sky over Alaska. No threat to people on the ground. You say why, and I say why not since it was China invading our air space. That's plenty good reason. That's not a fact. A fact can be backed up by evidence that proves that to be true. Literally nothing in your post is factual. "They could have shot it down over Alaska." Not a fact, conjecture, based on a separate incident with much different circumstances. "No threat to people on the ground." How would you know? Do you live in Alaska? The previous balloon didn't need to be shot down, it posed no threat in the AIR, evidenced by the fact the Pentagon monitored its flight throughout. It may be plenty good reason for you, but it's haphazard logic to get there. How do I know they could have shot it down in Alaska? BECAUSE THEY JUST SHOT AN OBJECT DOWN IN ALASKA. That's your evidence. Right in front of your face. They had said they didn't shoot down the balloon over Alaska because the recovery would have been riskier. Nothing to do with people. If they knew it was basically harmless, then you shoot it down so it shows that you can't invade our air space at will. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 21:56:28 GMT -8
That's not a fact. A fact can be backed up by evidence that proves that to be true. Literally nothing in your post is factual. "They could have shot it down over Alaska." Not a fact, conjecture, based on a separate incident with much different circumstances. "No threat to people on the ground." How would you know? Do you live in Alaska? The previous balloon didn't need to be shot down, it posed no threat in the AIR, evidenced by the fact the Pentagon monitored its flight throughout. It may be plenty good reason for you, but it's haphazard logic to get there. How do I know they could have shot it down in Alaska? BECAUSE THEY JUST SHOT AN OBJECT DOWN IN ALASKA. That's your evidence. Right in front of your face. If you don't see the flaw in that...that explains a lot. Might want to look up the word "necessity." |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 10, 2023 21:57:44 GMT -8
How do I know they could have shot it down in Alaska? BECAUSE THEY JUST SHOT AN OBJECT DOWN IN ALASKA. That's your evidence. Right in front of your face. If you don't see the flaw in that...that explains a lot. Might want to look up the word "necessity." Look at the rest of the post I added. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 10, 2023 21:59:28 GMT -8
How do I know they could have shot it down in Alaska? BECAUSE THEY JUST SHOT AN OBJECT DOWN IN ALASKA. That's your evidence. Right in front of your face. If you don't see the flaw in that...that explains a lot. Might want to look up the word "necessity." It'll NEVER be a good look to let a Chinese balloon fly over our air space at will. If you don't see that, then that says a lot. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 22:06:25 GMT -8
If you don't see the flaw in that...that explains a lot. Might want to look up the word "necessity." It'll NEVER be a good look to let a Chinese balloon fly over our air space at will. If you don't see that, then that says a lot. You obsess over the silliest things. Nobody. Cares. About. Optics. They care about real world scenarios, not appearances. Decisions with lives at stake do not get made because of how something looks and they never will. No matter how many false equivalences you want to conflate, that reality doesn't get changed. Your logic is: "Well, they shot this one down, so they definitely could have shot the other one down." Disregarding the facts to promote your own anti-Biden opinion, ignoring obvious differences between the two situations. Very MTG of you. Yikes. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 10, 2023 22:15:30 GMT -8
It'll NEVER be a good look to let a Chinese balloon fly over our air space at will. If you don't see that, then that says a lot. You obsess over the silliest things. Nobody. Cares. About. Optics. They care about real world scenarios, not appearances. Decisions with lives at stake do not get made because of how something looks and they never will. No matter how many false equivalences you want to conflate, that reality doesn't get changed. Your logic is: "Well, they shot this one down, so they definitely could have shot the other one down." Disregarding the facts to promote your own anti-Biden opinion, ignoring obvious differences between the two situations. Very MTG of you. Yikes. I'll tell you what equals yikes. That's the fact that you'll say ANYTHING to defend the decisions of Biden. You'll deflect, soften the blow, make excuses, ad nauseam. Ridiculous, but expected from you. Under your analysis, then why shoot it down at all? You claim there was zero danger with it. Why are they even trying to examine it since you claim it was no danger at all. Heck, they let it roam all over the country. No big deal. Let it roam free as a bird. Talk about yikes. Sheesh. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 22:30:12 GMT -8
You obsess over the silliest things. Nobody. Cares. About. Optics. They care about real world scenarios, not appearances. Decisions with lives at stake do not get made because of how something looks and they never will. No matter how many false equivalences you want to conflate, that reality doesn't get changed. Your logic is: "Well, they shot this one down, so they definitely could have shot the other one down." Disregarding the facts to promote your own anti-Biden opinion, ignoring obvious differences between the two situations. Very MTG of you. Yikes. I'll tell you what equals yikes. That's the fact that you'll say ANYTHING to defend the decisions of Biden. You'll deflect, soften the blow, make excuses, ad nauseam. Ridiculous, but expected from you. Under your analysis, then why shoot it down at all? You claim there was zero danger with it. Why are they even trying to examine it since you claim it was no danger at all. Heck, they let it roam all over the country. No big deal. Let it roam free as a bird. Talk about yikes. Sheesh. I'm not defending anything. I'm stating the facts as we know them, something you seem unable to do. We don't even know what this object was, for starters. We know WHY it was shot down, which has to matter, right? Something that poses a threat versus something that does not? There was no military or civilian threat with the alleged Chinese balloon, it was flying WELL above airspace reserved for commercial aircraft, its signals were being jammed by US defense systems. Those are the two things that matter. If it was in the path of a 747, or posed a threat to life, then you have a completely separate and justifiable cause. Political hand-wringing aside, that's not what happened. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 10, 2023 22:52:36 GMT -8
I'll tell you what equals yikes. That's the fact that you'll say ANYTHING to defend the decisions of Biden. You'll deflect, soften the blow, make excuses, ad nauseam. Ridiculous, but expected from you. Under your analysis, then why shoot it down at all? You claim there was zero danger with it. Why are they even trying to examine it since you claim it was no danger at all. Heck, they let it roam all over the country. No big deal. Let it roam free as a bird. Talk about yikes. Sheesh. I'm not defending anything. I'm stating the facts as we know them, something you seem unable to do. We don't even know what this object was, for starters. We know WHY it was shot down, which has to matter, right? Something that poses a threat versus something that does not? There was no military or civilian threat with the alleged Chinese balloon, it was flying WELL above airspace reserved for commercial aircraft, its signals were being jammed by US defense systems. Those are the two things that matter. If it was in the path of a 747, or posed a threat to life, then you have a completely separate and justifiable cause. Political hand-wringing aside, that's not what happened. Here's a fact that you gloss over. They easily could've shot it down in Alaska, obviously. Again, since you didn't answer it in this post of yours, why shoot it down at all if it posed zero threat and was jammed? You said that it didn't need to be shot down. I'll tell you why. Because it's not right to fly any object in another's air space, EVER. They easily could have shot it down in Alaska and in territories over Montana. My question has been since they shot this current object down over Alaska, then why didn't they shoot this down over the same area? No humans were threatened there. If somebody in Montana didn't see it, they wouldn't have shot it down at all, most likely. Ridiculous. They had said that they were waiting for a safe place to shoot it down, but it turns out Alaska, not surprisingly, was an obvious place for them to shoot it down. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 10, 2023 23:19:24 GMT -8
I'm not defending anything. I'm stating the facts as we know them, something you seem unable to do. We don't even know what this object was, for starters. We know WHY it was shot down, which has to matter, right? Something that poses a threat versus something that does not? There was no military or civilian threat with the alleged Chinese balloon, it was flying WELL above airspace reserved for commercial aircraft, its signals were being jammed by US defense systems. Those are the two things that matter. If it was in the path of a 747, or posed a threat to life, then you have a completely separate and justifiable cause. Political hand-wringing aside, that's not what happened. Here's a fact that you gloss over. They easily could've shot it down in Alaska, obviously. Again, since you didn't answer it in this post of yours, why shoot it down at all if it posed zero threat and was jammed? You said that it didn't need to be shot down. I'll tell you why. Because it's not right to fly any object in another's air space, EVER. They easily could have shot it down in Alaska and in territories over Montana. My question has been since they shot this current object down over Alaska, then why didn't they shoot this down over the same area? No humans were threatened there. If somebody in Montana didn't see it, they wouldn't have shot it down at all, most likely. Ridiculous. They had said that they were waiting for a safe place to shoot it down, but it turns out Alaska, not surprisingly, was an obvious place for them to shoot it down. Regurgitation of false talking points, again, serves no purpose. This is Fox News clickbait energy personified. |
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Post by johneaztec on Feb 10, 2023 23:31:55 GMT -8
Here's a fact that you gloss over. They easily could've shot it down in Alaska, obviously. Again, since you didn't answer it in this post of yours, why shoot it down at all if it posed zero threat and was jammed? You said that it didn't need to be shot down. I'll tell you why. Because it's not right to fly any object in another's air space, EVER. They easily could have shot it down in Alaska and in territories over Montana. My question has been since they shot this current object down over Alaska, then why didn't they shoot this down over the same area? No humans were threatened there. If somebody in Montana didn't see it, they wouldn't have shot it down at all, most likely. Ridiculous. They had said that they were waiting for a safe place to shoot it down, but it turns out Alaska, not surprisingly, was an obvious place for them to shoot it down. Regurgitation of false talking points, again, serves no purpose. This is Fox News clickbait energy personified. False talking points? This isn't Fox News regurgitation, something that seems to be your outlet response when it's actually something that's obvious and true. So, you're saying that it's ok for anybody to fly into our air space at anytime? Sad, but that's what you're saying. Why shoot it down at all? Can you answer that? You yourself said that it didn't need to be shot down. It wasn't a threat, right? The answer is that it needed to be shot down, and it should have been shot down much earlier. You need to send a message that you can't invade our air space, EVER. PERIOD. To let it float around over our Nation after we had opportunities to shoot it down, is inexcusable. If it was a Republican you'd be all over him saying that he's weak and it's not right. Of course, you'll now say that you wouldn't have said that, but remember we're not naive like you think everyone is who doesn't see it your way, or agrees with you. |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 11, 2023 6:19:10 GMT -8
Just putting this out there. When dealing with super powers who have enough nukes to fry the world, there is usually a period of assement and developing strategy. I'm sure we were talking to the Chinese the whole time. For example, during the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, we were negotiating with the Russians the whole time. It ended up with an agreement that we also removed missles in Turkey and one other country. This was not made public initially. If the FOX News MTG wing of the Republican party had been in charge in 1962, few of us on this Board would have been born. I would have, but I'd have been fried just like virtually everybody else on the planet. This knee jerk, shoot first, ask questions later strategy is pretty dangerous in this day and age.
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 11, 2023 6:50:39 GMT -8
It should be clear, even to the most myopic WOKE minds that we are being scouted, measured and assessed for some kind of offensive action by the Chinese against our country. This will happen probably before the current senile leader you Dems like so much leaves office.
The balloons are just the latest in a series of spying incidents, acquisitions, manipulation of our media, cyberattacks, pandemics and other nefarious events. Even the densest minds would have to agree they have not been good neighbors.
These are the same people who allowed millions of their own to die of starvation in the 1950’s rather than lose face by asking the capitalist nations for food assistance.
Once again I feel compelled to quote Macurs Tulius Cicero:
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
I’m concerned our nation’s defenses have been made unsecured by the same people who brought us the Afghanistan mess and prolonged war in Ukraine through destabilizing our energy output.
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 11, 2023 6:58:15 GMT -8
It should be clear, even to the most myopic WOKE minds that we are being scouted, measured and assessed for some kind of offensive action by the Chinese against our country. This will happen probably before the current senile leader you Dems like so much leaves office. The balloons are just the latest in a series of spying incidents, acquisitions, manipulation of our media, cyberattacks, pandemics and other nefarious events. Even the densest minds would have to agree they have not been good neighbors. These are the same people who allowed millions of their own to die of starvation in the 1950’s rather than lose face by asking the capitalist nations for food assistance. Once again I feel compelled to quote Macurs Tulius Cicero: “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” I’m concerned our nation’s defenses have been made unsecured by the same people who brought us the Afghanistan mess and prolonged war in Ukraine through destabilizing our energy output. "You Dems" "Woke Minds"...geez, do you have to talk down to your audience to make you feel better about yourself? WEAK. Sounds like talk show stuff. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 11, 2023 10:37:43 GMT -8
It should be clear, even to the most myopic WOKE minds that we are being scouted, measured and assessed for some kind of offensive action by the Chinese against our country. This will happen probably before the current senile leader you Dems like so much leaves office. The balloons are just the latest in a series of spying incidents, acquisitions, manipulation of our media, cyberattacks, pandemics and other nefarious events. Even the densest minds would have to agree they have not been good neighbors. These are the same people who allowed millions of their own to die of starvation in the 1950’s rather than lose face by asking the capitalist nations for food assistance. Once again I feel compelled to quote Macurs Tulius Cicero: “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” I’m concerned our nation’s defenses have been made unsecured by the same people who brought us the Afghanistan mess and prolonged war in Ukraine through destabilizing our energy output. This from the same person who thought we were energy independent under Trump. Yeah, I'll pass on the hysterics. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 11, 2023 13:50:22 GMT -8
It should be clear, even to the most myopic WOKE minds that we are being scouted, measured and assessed for some kind of offensive action by the Chinese against our country. This will happen probably before the current senile leader you Dems like so much leaves office. The balloons are just the latest in a series of spying incidents, acquisitions, manipulation of our media, cyberattacks, pandemics and other nefarious events. Even the densest minds would have to agree they have not been good neighbors. These are the same people who allowed millions of their own to die of starvation in the 1950’s rather than lose face by asking the capitalist nations for food assistance. Once again I feel compelled to quote Macurs Tulius Cicero: “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” I’m concerned our nation’s defenses have been made unsecured by the same people who brought us the Afghanistan mess and prolonged war in Ukraine through destabilizing our energy output. "You Dems" "Woke Minds"...geez, do you have to talk down to your audience to make you feel better about yourself? WEAK. Sounds like talk show stuff. I will admit I do look down on people who thought “Sleepy Joe” was going to be an effective president. I’m not going to apologize for being right. |
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 11, 2023 14:30:28 GMT -8
"You Dems" "Woke Minds"...geez, do you have to talk down to your audience to make you feel better about yourself? WEAK. Sounds like talk show stuff. I will admit I do look down on people who thought “Sleepy Joe” was going to be an effective president. I’m not going to apologize for being right. In order for you to apologize, you'd have to BE right. Everything from your lens comes through with inherent bias and excusatory behavior for the side you support. It's unoriginal, dull and often times not even correct. See: Inflation, the Mueller Report, the statements on Mar-A-Lago and oh, yeah....the very thing you're denouncing in this thread that happened three times under Trump, with zero consequences. You supported Donald Trump; a racist, misogynistic, corrupt and vile human being with an extensive track record of narcissistic and illegal behavior. You excused that behavior because you support that side, which is comical because Trump isn't even a Republican. You have to own that, so I'd get off the pedestal and stop patting yourself on the back. Unless you're looking for validation for supporting bigotry? Is Biden an effective president? How do you objectively define effective? I think getting back into the Paris Accords was a good thing, you would not. I think passing the bipartisan landmark infrastructure bill was extremely effective, you would not. You and I agree that the Afghanistan withdrawal was sloppy and reckless, but we're going to disagree on why. Do I think Biden is softer on China than he should be? Yes, but he's certainly not alone in that regard. Do I disagree with Biden's courting of Saudi Arabia for oil purposes? Absolutely, but again, he's not alone in that regard, either. The political reality is often murky, muddled and unclear. Deals and alliances behind close doors and policy objectives drive decision making processes. No politician is going to be on the right side 100% of the time, there's just too many variables, too many scenarios, too many different clashes of ideology and weaponization. I'd largely determine Biden's overall theme in the presidency as "average" or "unremarkable" as a whole. But when you compare it to previous administrations, like the one we just had? It's a marked improvement. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Feb 12, 2023 21:17:35 GMT -8
Now there are 4 balloons sighted. Something is definitely in the works.
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Post by aztecryan on Feb 12, 2023 22:06:52 GMT -8
Now there are 4 balloons sighted. Something is definitely in the works. Aliens. |
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Post by uwphoto on Feb 13, 2023 6:49:19 GMT -8
"You Dems" "Woke Minds"...geez, do you have to talk down to your audience to make you feel better about yourself? WEAK. Sounds like talk show stuff. I will admit I do look down on people who thought “Sleepy Joe” was going to be an effective president. I’m not going to apologize for being right. I look down upon people who come on here, talk smack ..and then try to bet everybody about a "red wave" then face plant. I also look down on people who never have an original thought or analysis in their arguments on here. |
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