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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2023 21:26:00 GMT -8
I will not post the video due to the sheer horrific nature of what transpired, but no objective human can watch the events and then state that there isn't a police issue in America. We are beyond desensitized to these acts of senseless brutality. Reform was needed, is needed and will be needed going forward.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2023 15:33:42 GMT -8
Of course, there's still those that want to make this a racial issue. They just can't help themselves.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 16:08:56 GMT -8
Of course, there's still those that want to make this a racial issue. They just can't help themselves. Because it is a racial issue. The officers don't have to be a different race for it to be a byproduct of a racially-based issue. Overly simplistic line of thinking. Colorism/anti-Blackness is still prevalent between people of the same race. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2023 18:18:03 GMT -8
Of course, there's still those that want to make this a racial issue. They just can't help themselves. Because it is a racial issue. The officers don't have to be a different race for it to be a byproduct of a racially-based issue. Overly simplistic line of thinking. Colorism/anti-Blackness is still prevalent between people of the same race. You're not telling me something that I didn't already know. That's not what I'm saying. These Officers had a reputation of being bullies. It was a known fact that you didn't want to get stopped by them. I believe that it had nothing to do with race, but more about just bad people taking advantage of the fact that they had a badge. Like I said, of course people were going to run with the race card. That was an obvious outcome. It's over used. I didn't say what I said because they were all black. I said it because of their reputation, etc.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 18:43:10 GMT -8
It’s true.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 18:43:55 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 19:32:21 GMT -8
Because it is a racial issue. The officers don't have to be a different race for it to be a byproduct of a racially-based issue. Overly simplistic line of thinking. Colorism/anti-Blackness is still prevalent between people of the same race. You're not telling me something that I didn't already know. That's not what I'm saying. These Officers had a reputation of being bullies. It was a known fact that you didn't want to get stopped by them. I believe that it had nothing to do with race, but more about just bad people taking advantage of the fact that they had a badge. Like I said, of course people were going to run with the race card. That was an obvious outcome. It's over used. I didn't say what I said because they were all black. I said it because of their reputation, etc.... "It's overused" says the person with White privilege. Interesting. Not telling you something you don't already know - Good, maybe you can understand the nuance of institutional racism then. You may be right in this specific instance, his murder may not have been race-related, but the bigger picture is he is the byproduct of a system that inherently is. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 19:37:26 GMT -8
Or Ben Shapiro is just Ben Shapiro. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 19:41:18 GMT -8
And there goes that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2023 20:01:32 GMT -8
Apologies, I don’t want to turn this devastating tragedy into a race or political debate. I shouldn’t have egged it on.
What I saw on that video was horrifying and really disturbing.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 20:13:21 GMT -8
Apologies, I don’t want to turn this devastating tragedy into a race or political debate. I shouldn’t have egged it on. What I saw on that video was horrifying and really disturbing. Unfortunately, beyond an issue of pure humanity, it is politically divisive, with both sides planting flags. The issue I have is the lack of understanding on "white supremacy"....which is a diverse, multi-faceted term, not just a dictionary photo of Hitler. The oversimplified "Well, the officers were the same color as Tyre, so therefore it can't possibly be" is just that, oversimplified. I couldn't even watch the video for more than 45 seconds, truth be told. I didn't even see it until late that night, after the rage had built up online. Absolutely horrific and emotionally devastating to see the aftermath. Just senseless, unnecessary violence. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2023 20:53:41 GMT -8
You're not telling me something that I didn't already know. That's not what I'm saying. These Officers had a reputation of being bullies. It was a known fact that you didn't want to get stopped by them. I believe that it had nothing to do with race, but more about just bad people taking advantage of the fact that they had a badge. Like I said, of course people were going to run with the race card. That was an obvious outcome. It's over used. I didn't say what I said because they were all black. I said it because of their reputation, etc.... "It's overused" says the person with White privilege. Interesting. Not telling you something you don't already know - Good, maybe you can understand the nuance of institutional racism then. You may be right in this specific instance, his murder may not have been race-related, but the bigger picture is he is the byproduct of a system that inherently is. "White privilege." We ALL have privilege, especially if we live in the USA. The greatest Country on the planet. I was wondering when you were going to use that over used term, as well. Didn't take long. Bad officers. Bad people. Taking matters into their own hands, people. Making their own rules, people. Love to see fear in the eyes of others, people. That's who those officers were, amongst other horrible things. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2023 20:55:07 GMT -8
Or Ben Shapiro is just Ben Shapiro. Or, Ryan is just Ryan. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 21:16:20 GMT -8
"It's overused" says the person with White privilege. Interesting. Not telling you something you don't already know - Good, maybe you can understand the nuance of institutional racism then. You may be right in this specific instance, his murder may not have been race-related, but the bigger picture is he is the byproduct of a system that inherently is. "White privilege." We ALL have privilege, especially if we live in the USA. The greatest Country on the planet. I was wondering when you were going to use that over used term, as well. Didn't take long. Bad officers. Bad people. Taking matters into their own hands, people. Making their own rules, people. Love to see fear in the eyes of others, people. That's who those officers were, amongst other horrible things. So for clarification, because I know you'll walk this back... you're saying White privilege isn't real? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 21:19:26 GMT -8
Or Ben Shapiro is just Ben Shapiro. Or, Ryan is just Ryan. Yes, well-versed in this topic and forum, studied it extensively for a long time during and after college. Shapiro is wrong, which isn't a real surprise. Now that we know at least one officer that was involved (and whose identity was essentially protected by the department) was not Black, the lazy critique of race-baiting and white supremacy shouldn't be just cast aside. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2023 21:46:00 GMT -8
"White privilege." We ALL have privilege, especially if we live in the USA. The greatest Country on the planet. I was wondering when you were going to use that over used term, as well. Didn't take long. Bad officers. Bad people. Taking matters into their own hands, people. Making their own rules, people. Love to see fear in the eyes of others, people. That's who those officers were, amongst other horrible things. So for clarification, because I know you'll walk this back... you're saying White privilege isn't real? Did you miss the part where I capitalized the word, ALL? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 30, 2023 22:01:15 GMT -8
So for clarification, because I know you'll walk this back... you're saying White privilege isn't real? Did you miss the part where I capitalized the word, ALL? Yes, because it's absurdly incorrect and myopic. While a quaint notion and a wonderful cliche, it's just not reality. You're saying things like discrimination, prejudice and racism don't exist, essentially. While we may live in the "greatest country on Earth" and it may be the "freest" country on the planet, that ideal isn't experienced by all who inhabit this world. Disproportionately, non-White citizens are adversely affected across many, many societal categories. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 30, 2023 22:11:23 GMT -8
Did you miss the part where I capitalized the word, ALL? Yes, because it's absurdly incorrect and myopic. While a quaint notion and a wonderful cliche, it's just not reality. You're saying things like discrimination, prejudice and racism don't exist, essentially. While we may live in the "greatest country on Earth" and it may be the "freest" country on the planet, that ideal isn't experienced by all who inhabit this world. Disproportionately, non-White citizens are adversely affected across many, many societal categories. Privilege for ALL exists, and racism for ALL exists. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 6:50:59 GMT -8
Apologies, I don’t want to turn this devastating tragedy into a race or political debate. I shouldn’t have egged it on. What I saw on that video was horrifying and really disturbing. Unfortunately, beyond an issue of pure humanity, it is politically divisive, with both sides planting flags. The issue I have is the lack of understanding on "white supremacy"....which is a diverse, multi-faceted term, not just a dictionary photo of Hitler. The oversimplified "Well, the officers were the same color as Tyre, so therefore it can't possibly be" is just that, oversimplified. I couldn't even watch the video for more than 45 seconds, truth be told. I didn't even see it until late that night, after the rage had built up online. Absolutely horrific and emotionally devastating to see the aftermath. Just senseless, unnecessary violence. While I find much of his rhetoric over the top , I feel Walsh’s tweet above to be spot on. Unfortunately. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 31, 2023 8:13:35 GMT -8
Very true. Where is that same demonstrative outrage from BLM, etc.... Oh yeah, because they weren't white police officers. So predictable. |
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