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Post by uwphoto on Nov 22, 2022 18:19:24 GMT -8
Sure, he made himself is a target for the gun grabbers. However, I am going to trust his stats given the fact that I read his book. Did you? I'm betting my mortgage you didn't. No, most of these "mass shooting" events the shooter was not wearing body armor. As for me, there should never be a restriction for anyone who wants to buy body armor to be able to buy it. You have to understand that those in this country tasked to write laws are those protected by armed individuals wearing body armour. nonsensical |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 23, 2022 7:14:20 GMT -8
Sure, he made himself is a target for the gun grabbers. However, I am going to trust his stats given the fact that I read his book. Did you? I'm betting my mortgage you didn't. Your mortgage is safe, it's not my job to study these data so I'm not going to waste my limited free time to read his book that is partly or wholly discredited by credible academics. While I recognize that his book, and assertions, are much-beloved by others. You're a gun lover. I'm a gun grabber. Neither of us are going to sway opinions here. Go Aztecs. I don't have to "sway" you. The right to self defense with use of a firearm is an inalienable right. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2022 8:24:15 GMT -8
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 9:31:22 GMT -8
Why do you think mass shootings have increased even though gun ownership has remained about the same (1959 survey found 49% people said they owned a gun)?
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Nov 23, 2022 9:34:58 GMT -8
Why do you think mass shootings have increased even though gun ownership has remained about the same (1959 survey found 49% people said they owned a gun)? Nut jobs have traded in their bolt action game hunting rifles for human hunting AR-15 type long guns. JMO |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2022 9:40:23 GMT -8
Why do you think mass shootings have increased even though gun ownership has remained about the same (1959 survey found 49% people said they owned a gun)? Let's see, what has changed? Gun culture? Gun fetish? Gun worship? Gun movies? I love action movies, but I guarantee you that the constant shoot 'em ups have glorified gun violence in the minds of those on the edge. And, while the number of people who own guns as a percentage of the population isn't all that different, I can tell you that a lot more people own a lot more guns than they used to (people collect guns now, moreso than in the past). And with the population being so much larger that just means more people with the opportunity to actually USE those guns. Come on, you cannot defend guns with 40,000 people killed in gun violence this year alone. Cutting robberies by 2/3 isn't worth that tradeoff. Lives are far more important. STUFF can be replaced. Lives can't. These mass killings couldn't happen without guns. Assault weapons make mass killings far too easy. |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 23, 2022 9:42:07 GMT -8
Your mortgage is safe, it's not my job to study these data so I'm not going to waste my limited free time to read his book that is partly or wholly discredited by credible academics. While I recognize that his book, and assertions, are much-beloved by others. You're a gun lover. I'm a gun grabber. Neither of us are going to sway opinions here. Go Aztecs. I don't have to "sway" you. The right to self defense with use of a firearm is an inalienable right.No it's not. There are plenty of laws imposing various types of restructions on owning a firearm... and in the opinion of many, there should be MORE laws further restricting gun ownership. You might not agree or like that, but it is true. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 9:55:04 GMT -8
Why do you think mass shootings have increased even though gun ownership has remained about the same (1959 survey found 49% people said they owned a gun)? Nut jobs have traded in their bolt action game hunting rifles for human hunting AR-15 type long guns. JMO I'm pretty sure actual automatic (hold trigger and gun continues to fire) were available all the way until 1986. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 9:58:04 GMT -8
Why do you think mass shootings have increased even though gun ownership has remained about the same (1959 survey found 49% people said they owned a gun)? Let's see, what has changed? Gun culture? Gun fetish? Gun worship? Gun movies? I love action movies, but I guarantee you that the constant shoot 'em ups have glorified gun violence in the minds of those on the edge. And, while the number of people who own guns as a percentage of the population isn't all that different, I can tell you that a lot more people own a lot more guns than they used to (people collect guns now, moreso than in the past). And with the population being so much larger that just means more people with the opportunity to actually USE those guns. Come on, you cannot defend guns with 40,000 people killed in gun violence this year alone. Cutting robberies by 2/3 isn't worth that tradeoff. Lives are far more important. STUFF can be replaced. Lives can't. These mass killings couldn't happen without guns. Assault weapons make mass killings far too easy. Gun culture?...etc....movies? video games? I just don't see those things as being behind the increase in mass shootings. Larger population? I would assume the number of mass shootings has risen a lot faster than the population. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2022 10:00:53 GMT -8
Let's see, what has changed? Gun culture? Gun fetish? Gun worship? Gun movies? I love action movies, but I guarantee you that the constant shoot 'em ups have glorified gun violence in the minds of those on the edge. And, while the number of people who own guns as a percentage of the population isn't all that different, I can tell you that a lot more people own a lot more guns than they used to (people collect guns now, moreso than in the past). And with the population being so much larger that just means more people with the opportunity to actually USE those guns. Come on, you cannot defend guns with 40,000 people killed in gun violence this year alone. Cutting robberies by 2/3 isn't worth that tradeoff. Lives are far more important. STUFF can be replaced. Lives can't. These mass killings couldn't happen without guns. Assault weapons make mass killings far too easy. Gun culture?...etc....movies? video games? I just don't see those things as being behind the increase in mass shootings. Larger population? I would assume the number of mass shootings has risen a lot faster than the population. So, the glorification of guns and gun violence has no effect on people? Funny how the mass shootings started in the late 90's as the teenagers who watched the 80's gun movies came of age. Funny, that. And gun culture glorifying the use of guns - look at how many gun publications have sprung up over the last quarter century - definitely has an effect. There are far too many people who believe that using guns is a legitimate way of handling problems. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 23, 2022 10:08:43 GMT -8
205 House Republicans just voted against expanded mental health access in schools.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 23, 2022 10:12:25 GMT -8
Let's see, what has changed? Gun culture? Gun fetish? Gun worship? Gun movies? I love action movies, but I guarantee you that the constant shoot 'em ups have glorified gun violence in the minds of those on the edge. And, while the number of people who own guns as a percentage of the population isn't all that different, I can tell you that a lot more people own a lot more guns than they used to (people collect guns now, moreso than in the past). And with the population being so much larger that just means more people with the opportunity to actually USE those guns. Come on, you cannot defend guns with 40,000 people killed in gun violence this year alone. Cutting robberies by 2/3 isn't worth that tradeoff. Lives are far more important. STUFF can be replaced. Lives can't. These mass killings couldn't happen without guns. Assault weapons make mass killings far too easy. Gun culture?...etc....movies? video games? I just don't see those things as being behind the increase in mass shootings. Larger population? I would assume the number of mass shootings has risen a lot faster than the population. The young man who brought a gun to my high school and shot multiple people was upset at the dean because his application was rejected by the Navy for poor attendance. Andy Williams was a child of divorce, angry at moving across the country and bullied in school at Santana. Kip Kinkel was scheduled to be expelled from his school in Oregon and his father told him he'd be sent to military school if his behavior didn't improve. He shot both his parents and then shot multiple students at his high school afterward. The motives change, the behavior doesn't. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2022 10:22:06 GMT -8
Gun culture?...etc....movies? video games? I just don't see those things as being behind the increase in mass shootings. Larger population? I would assume the number of mass shootings has risen a lot faster than the population. The young man who brought a gun to my high school and shot multiple people was upset at the dean because his application rejected by the Navy for poor attendance. Andy Williams was a child of divorce, angry at moving across the country and bullied in school at Santana. Kip Kinkel was scheduled to be expelled from his school in Oregon and his father told him he'd be sent to military school if his behavior didn't improve. He shot both his parents and then shot multiple students at his high school afterward. The motives change, the behavior doesn't. And guns being so easy to get just makes the mass killings that much easier. It really is reprehensible for people to put their own fetishes before the lives of the 40,000 people that get killed annually in this country through gun violence. And, make no mistake, gun collecting is a fetish, justified by questionable statistics and ideas. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 11:02:54 GMT -8
Actually, I agree (not being sarcastic), I do think movies / video games etc have an effect on how people think. And thinking effects behavior, so I find it hard to believe that there is no effect from movies etc. (I don't think it leads to mass shootings, but it can't help right?)
Would you be willing to ban those things instead of or in addition to guns?
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 11:06:39 GMT -8
OK, motivations change, but the behavior has changed too. That is, there has been an increase in mass shootings the last 25 years or so. Why now?
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 11:07:46 GMT -8
Do you think gun collecting has increased mass shootings?
Edit: I could be wrong, but I think guns are harder to get now. Maybe the process is harder but the availability isn't?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 23, 2022 11:26:59 GMT -8
Do you think gun collecting has increased mass shootings? It all plays a role. Glorifying gun violence in movies, gun collecting, right wing, "Shoot the bad guys," mentality, easy access to guns, lack of proper mental health care, inadequate gun laws - and more. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 12:35:50 GMT -8
So you would ban violent video games and movies?
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 23, 2022 13:57:17 GMT -8
So you would ban violent video games and movies? Research Columbine. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 23, 2022 14:27:50 GMT -8
So you would ban violent video games and movies? Research Columbine. Is that a yes? |
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