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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 21, 2022 10:02:47 GMT -8
You realize that we just had a 20 year example of people with small arms resisting the greatest military the world has even Know right? So you think that you and your buddies can hold off even a small SWAT unit? Good luck with that. Why would we have to do that? I want no part of shooting at a SWAT unit or any other human being for that matter. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Nov 21, 2022 10:13:22 GMT -8
It is amazing how much more I like some of you before you start talking about politics, guns, life & liberty, etc. Understandable. But what you will find is that there are really nice people all across the political spectrum. If you have never read this book, I recommend it: "The Righteous Mind: Why good people are divided by politics and religion" Jonathan Haidt |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 21, 2022 10:17:14 GMT -8
No, you need it to ensure your liberty. It would be nice if it wasn't so, but history says otherwise. Point of common sense... If the government got to the point where they became authoritarian and fascist, and your liberty was in danger or had already been taken away, having guns in your home would allow you do to NOTHING to ensure your liberty. The only thing having guns gives you the power to do is commit suicide by cop. Period. The police force and military are so much better armed and so much better trained than civilians that there is ZERO POINT ZERO percent chance of being able to stop them if they became corrupt and decided to take your rights away. So, yeah, have your guns for suicide by cop. That's fine. But be prepared for really bad things to continue with school shootings, workplace shootings, public shootings, etc, because it's way too easy for unstable (or just bad) people to get guns. The Taliban stopped the best military in the world. How do you know police officers are much better trained than civilians? I recall a study showing an accuracy rate of just 18% in a study of NYC police shootings a few years back. In 2016 an evil man stole a truck and killed 86 people and injured over 400 more. I don't see anyone blaming the truck. Evil people will find a way to do evil things. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 21, 2022 10:18:39 GMT -8
Was arrested last year for making bomb threats. Another one "known to police." |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 21, 2022 10:40:07 GMT -8
Point of common sense... If the government got to the point where they became authoritarian and fascist, and your liberty was in danger or had already been taken away, having guns in your home would allow you do to NOTHING to ensure your liberty. The only thing having guns gives you the power to do is commit suicide by cop. Period. The police force and military are so much better armed and so much better trained than civilians that there is ZERO POINT ZERO percent chance of being able to stop them if they became corrupt and decided to take your rights away. So, yeah, have your guns for suicide by cop. That's fine. But be prepared for really bad things to continue with school shootings, workplace shootings, public shootings, etc, because it's way too easy for unstable (or just bad) people to get guns. The Taliban stopped the best military in the world. How do you know police officers are much better trained than civilians? I recall a study showing an accuracy rate of just 18% in a study of NYC police shootings a few years back. In 2016 an evil man stole a truck and killed 86 people and injured over 400 more. I don't see anyone blaming the truck. Evil people will find a way to do evil things. The Taliban was an organized militia. A former government built out of a rebel militia group/army that fought the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. A totally different scenario. If we got to the point in this country where we legitimately had a fascist, authoritarian regime they would know who had guns, and they'd go in at 3 AM, break the door down, and arrest the gun owner, confiscating his/her guns. By the time you knew there was a problem it would be too late. And there are far too many people in law enforcement and the military to succeed in any rebel uprising anyway. Oh, guns make it a LOT easier for bad people to do bad things. Guns are only good for killing. That's what they're designed to do. |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 21, 2022 10:52:32 GMT -8
It is amazing how much more I like some of you before you start talking about politics, guns, life & liberty, etc. Hell, I like *myself* more before I start engaging in political discussions...  |
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 21, 2022 11:10:29 GMT -8
OK, China is more free than the US because they have less people in jail. Got it. Your snarkiness is an adorable mask |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Nov 21, 2022 11:13:19 GMT -8
Fake news. Vaccine only last a matter of.6 weeks -12 weeks. Your government knew this and lied to you. Studies show Mask mandates at zero effect. Yet some governments are still requiring them, ask yourself why? Hint it’s not to stop the spread of Covid. Yes, my own personal experience is... fake news, as you so eloquently put it. Chronic health conditions put me at heightened risk for Covid complications... and yet... absolutely nothing. I'll credit it to the vaccine. Or is our government, and the world at large, all in on the hoax? Wait a minute... there never was a worldwide pandemic! My best friend, an ER doctor, was in on the hoax as well! Holy $hit, Batman! People better start looking at the pizza-loving, Democratic pedophile ring as well! My eyes are wide open now! Time to go out and arm myself to the hilt! Good for you, if you had a heightened risk to be adversely affected by Covid then you should get vaccinated. That does not mean people who weren't at risk should have been vaccinated. The rate of cardiac conditions in 18-35 y/o's has increased dramatically. They were forced to get the injections, even though science now admits that they were not at risk of being adversely effected. I had to get two injections and the booster, but only had flu like symptoms. My friends who were unvaccinated got Covid and had flu like symptoms. Argue all you want, hindsight is 20-20 and it shows that most people weren't at that great of a risk and masks/ lockdowns actually had a detrimental effect. I am not sure what Pizza pedophile ring you are referring, but a lot of elites love children. Hence the many friends of Epstein. Don't think it is reserved for any political party affiliation. But the fact that you are lumping that in with vaccinations shows that you can't have a logical and honest debate on the issue. (PS I am actually an independent and vote for the candidate, not a party) |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 21, 2022 12:14:57 GMT -8
The Taliban stopped the best military in the world. How do you know police officers are much better trained than civilians? I recall a study showing an accuracy rate of just 18% in a study of NYC police shootings a few years back. In 2016 an evil man stole a truck and killed 86 people and injured over 400 more. I don't see anyone blaming the truck. Evil people will find a way to do evil things. The Taliban was an organized militia. A former government built out of a rebel militia group/army that fought the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. A totally different scenario. If we got to the point in this country where we legitimately had a fascist, authoritarian regime they would know who had guns, and they'd go in at 3 AM, break the door down, and arrest the gun owner, confiscating his/her guns. By the time you knew there was a problem it would be too late. And there are far too many people in law enforcement and the military to succeed in any rebel uprising anyway. Oh, guns make it a LOT easier for bad people to do bad things. Guns are only good for killing. That's what they're designed to do. Guns also keep bad guys from doing bad things. Read Gary Kleck's book "Targeting Guns." It is the most comprehensive ever book written on the subject of gun control laws. Prior to his research, he was an advocate for strict gun control laws. Guns are used in successful self defense a multitude times more than in a criminal homicide. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 21, 2022 15:10:57 GMT -8
It is amazing how much more I like some of you before you start talking about politics, guns, life & liberty, etc. Hell, I like *myself* more before I start engaging in political discussions... Too funny, and I hear ya!!! |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 21, 2022 15:12:35 GMT -8
The Taliban was an organized militia. A former government built out of a rebel militia group/army that fought the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. A totally different scenario. If we got to the point in this country where we legitimately had a fascist, authoritarian regime they would know who had guns, and they'd go in at 3 AM, break the door down, and arrest the gun owner, confiscating his/her guns. By the time you knew there was a problem it would be too late. And there are far too many people in law enforcement and the military to succeed in any rebel uprising anyway. Oh, guns make it a LOT easier for bad people to do bad things. Guns are only good for killing. That's what they're designed to do. Guns also keep bad guys from doing bad things. Read Gary Kleck's book "Targeting Guns." It is the most comprehensive ever book written on the subject of gun control laws. Prior to his research, he was an advocate for strict gun control laws. Guns are used in successful self defense a multitude times more than in a criminal homicide. Interesting. |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 21, 2022 15:57:04 GMT -8
The Taliban was an organized militia. A former government built out of a rebel militia group/army that fought the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. A totally different scenario. If we got to the point in this country where we legitimately had a fascist, authoritarian regime they would know who had guns, and they'd go in at 3 AM, break the door down, and arrest the gun owner, confiscating his/her guns. By the time you knew there was a problem it would be too late. And there are far too many people in law enforcement and the military to succeed in any rebel uprising anyway. Oh, guns make it a LOT easier for bad people to do bad things. Guns are only good for killing. That's what they're designed to do. Guns also keep bad guys from doing bad things. Read Gary Kleck's book "Targeting Guns." It is the most comprehensive ever book written on the subject of gun control laws. Prior to his research, he was an advocate for strict gun control laws. Guns are used in successful self defense a multitude times more than in a criminal homicide. There are numerous studies that call into question Kleck's methodology, analysis, and results... just a couple: www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/myths-about-defensive-gun-use-and-permissive-gun-carry-lawscdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/247/2012/10/Review_of_Gary_Kleck_2004.pdf |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 21, 2022 17:57:49 GMT -8
Sometimes what's needed isn't more guns. It's one or a couple/few brave... unarmed... committed folks. www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.amp.html?amp_js_v=0.1#webview=1&cap=swipe
Richard M. Fierro was at a table in Club Q with his wife, daughter and friends on Saturday, watching a drag show, when the sudden flash of gunfire ripped across the nightclub and instincts forged during four combat deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan instantly kicked in. Fight back, he told himself, protect your people.
In an interview at his house on Monday, where his wife and daughter were still recovering from injuries, Mr. Fierro, 45, who spent 15 years as an Army officer and left as a major in 2013, according to military records, described charging through the chaos at the club, tackling the gunman and beating him bloody with the gunman’s own gun.
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It was Mr. Fierro’s first time at a drag show, and he was digging it. He had spent 15 years in the Army, and now relished his role as a civilian and a father, watching one of his daughter’s old high-school friends perform.
“These kids want to live that way, want to have a good time, have at it,” he said as he described the night. “I’m happy about it because that is what I fought for, so they can do whatever they hell they want.”
Bold added for emphasis, and because it's hilarious. |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 21, 2022 18:08:29 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 21, 2022 20:14:17 GMT -8
Good on you!!! Hopefully his Brewery becomes very, very successful!!! |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 22, 2022 6:39:52 GMT -8
The Taliban was an organized militia. A former government built out of a rebel militia group/army that fought the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan. A totally different scenario. If we got to the point in this country where we legitimately had a fascist, authoritarian regime they would know who had guns, and they'd go in at 3 AM, break the door down, and arrest the gun owner, confiscating his/her guns. By the time you knew there was a problem it would be too late. And there are far too many people in law enforcement and the military to succeed in any rebel uprising anyway. Oh, guns make it a LOT easier for bad people to do bad things. Guns are only good for killing. That's what they're designed to do. Guns also keep bad guys from doing bad things. Read Gary Kleck's book "Targeting Guns." It is the most comprehensive ever book written on the subject of gun control laws. Prior to his research, he was an advocate for strict gun control laws. Guns are used in successful self defense a multitude times more than in a criminal homicide. Does body armor also keep bad guys from doing bad things? In a lot of these recent mass shooting events by 18 to 22 year olds, they are wearing body armor. Where are they getting that idea? Maybe from the gun magazines and web sites..they all feature it. Its all about the marketing of the last 60 years, preying on fear and male aggression. If you hand this stuff out like candy, what do you expect. Again, from the outside, looking in, its fugging ridiculous. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 22, 2022 17:29:11 GMT -8
Sure, he made himself is a target for the gun grabbers. However, I am going to trust his stats given the fact that I read his book. Did you? I'm betting my mortgage you didn't. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 22, 2022 17:41:35 GMT -8
Whether you own a gun or not, you benefit from the fact that gun ownership exists in the USA. Why? Just look at crime statistics in countries that have large restrictions in gun ownership. Take the UK, very strict laws in gun ownership. Crime? Hot burglaries are triple that in the US? Why? Kleck interviewed numerous robbery/burglary convicts and asked them why they chose to rob/burglar houses when there was no one home and the answer he got was that they "didn't want to get shot." His stats showed thst criminals were more afraid of potential victims than they were of the police.
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Post by Den60 on Nov 22, 2022 17:48:42 GMT -8
Sure, he made himself is a target for the gun grabbers. However, I am going to trust his stats given the fact that I read his book. Did you? I'm betting my mortgage you didn't. No, most of these "mass shooting" events the shooter was not wearing body armor. As for me, there should never be a restriction for anyone who wants to buy body armor to be able to buy it. You have to understand that those in this country tasked to write laws are those protected by armed individuals wearing body armour. |
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Post by hoobs on Nov 22, 2022 18:17:09 GMT -8
Sure, he made himself is a target for the gun grabbers. However, I am going to trust his stats given the fact that I read his book. Did you? I'm betting my mortgage you didn't. Your mortgage is safe, it's not my job to study these data so I'm not going to waste my limited free time to read his book that is partly or wholly discredited by credible academics. While I recognize that his book, and assertions, are much-beloved by others. You're a gun lover. I'm a gun grabber. Neither of us are going to sway opinions here. Go Aztecs. |
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