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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2023 20:19:54 GMT -8
I find it humorous that Biden says he's being transparent, even though he didn't mention it for it for months. Of course he's being transparent, NOW. In the same vein, we didn't find out Trump's situation for over a year. In general, people don't comment on ongoing investigations. I'm not comparing the two. You are. I'm strictly talking about Biden's current situation. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 20:29:20 GMT -8
In the same vein, we didn't find out Trump's situation for over a year. In general, people don't comment on ongoing investigations. I'm not comparing the two. You are. I'm strictly talking about Biden's current situation. You literally compared the two earlier in a different thread. Nuance matters, as always. If you're going to take the route that you don't believe Biden's transparency, you should probably understand why. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2023 20:51:03 GMT -8
I'm not comparing the two. You are. I'm strictly talking about Biden's current situation. You literally compared the two earlier in a different thread. Nuance matters, as always. If you're going to take the route that you don't believe Biden's transparency, you should probably understand why. I may have mentioned Trump once or twice, but I'm not comparing him in EVERY situation or post as you are. This is about what Biden had done, but to deflect, or soften the blow, some will keep comparing it to Trump's situation. They're both not good. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 12, 2023 22:51:29 GMT -8
Because NARA asked for the documents back and didn't receive them. Then they asked again, and didn't receive them. Then a subpoena was issued, and it was not complied with in full by the FPOTUS' lawyers. Then surveillance video showed them moving the documents after the subpoena was issued. There was no raid, it was a federal search warrant. Clay Travis knows a lot about SEC sports, but he's a political hack. If there was evidence Biden was hoarding documents knowingly that he had no clearance to obtain, there would be hellfire inbound. Exactly. Biden had his people immediately contact NARA as soon as they discovered the documents. Discovered. As in, "Damn, how the f x x x did these get here?? We need to get these things back where they belong RIGHT NOW!" Trump hid them. Trump refused to turn them over. AND Trump had HIGHLY classified national security documents. These, from what I'm hearing, don't come anywhere near that. It was a screwup. Biden's people when he was VP messed up big time. Was it criminal? Maybe, on a technical level, but it wasn't intentional from everything we know. That's why as soon as the documents were discovered they were turned over the next day! This IS embarrassing, and it is infuriating that Biden's people were that lax about those documents, but the two situations are very, very different. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 23:22:27 GMT -8
You literally compared the two earlier in a different thread. Nuance matters, as always. If you're going to take the route that you don't believe Biden's transparency, you should probably understand why. I may have mentioned Trump once or twice, but I'm not comparing him in EVERY situation or post as you are. This is about what Biden had done, but to deflect, or soften the blow, some will keep comparing it to Trump's situation. They're both not good. Nobody is deflecting anything but your speculative general statements are as much a disservice as anything else. It's gaslighting, much the same as Laura Ingraham did tonight. The parallels are obvious with both situations centered around the mishandling of classified intelligence information. Largely that's where it ends. Nobody is softening anything. Facts are facts. Context matters. A public intelligence leak is not a good thing, point blank. The only good thing that will happen is hopefully a drastic change in security processes. But acting like Biden should have said something in November (no) and then going on blast when he said something today is just disregarding the nature of these cases. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 13, 2023 0:15:49 GMT -8
I may have mentioned Trump once or twice, but I'm not comparing him in EVERY situation or post as you are. This is about what Biden had done, but to deflect, or soften the blow, some will keep comparing it to Trump's situation. They're both not good. Nobody is deflecting anything but your speculative general statements are as much a disservice as anything else. It's gaslighting, much the same as Laura Ingraham did tonight. The parallels are obvious with both situations centered around the mishandling of classified intelligence information. Largely that's where it ends. Nobody is softening anything. Facts are facts. Context matters. A public intelligence leak is not a good thing, point blank. The only good thing that will happen is hopefully a drastic change in security processes. But acting like Biden should have said something in November (no) and then going on blast when he said something today is just disregarding the nature of these cases. When someone has a post concerning what BIDEN did only, and then said poster feels the need to compare it to Trump's situation, is absolutely an attempt at softening the blow/deflecting. I understand if a poster has Trump's name in his post, but to say, "Well, that's no comparison to Trump's situation" just about in every post when someone is only speaking about Biden, is deflecting. Anyway, we'll see where all this goes, in a relatively short period of time, I hope. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 13, 2023 0:32:12 GMT -8
So, Biden is now under investigation for mishandling classified documents. Since former president Trump was politically crucified by the democrats for basically the same thing, the credibility of the Department of Justice is now on the line. Does Biden get a pass? Should he? Of course the answer to those questions is hell no. At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding these files on an island mansion. Biden left his stuff in a file cabinet in a university, open to anyone’s perusal. This is just the first thing BTW, the Biden people have been very sloppy over the years. Not basically the same thing at all. Mishandling of classified information is a punishable offense, but it's largely an administrative issue. They would never charge a sitting or former president with that offense. Trump's indiscretions go *far* beyond mishandling. Wilful retention of classified information without a security clearance and the obstruction of the investigation is an actual criminal matter. Is Biden getting a pass? The AG has already launched an investigation and appointed a special counsel (a Trump appointee at that) to oversee the investigation. That's the direct opposite of getting a pass. As for the laughable notion that MAL is somehow secure, documents were found *OUTSIDE* the secure room they were supposed to never be taken from. One rises to the level of criminality, the other is a sloppy, egregious act of recklessness. Great talking points for the party of family values, though. Your take is beyond absurd. Oh sure, those classified documents were absolutely secure from Chinese and Russian spies…..in Biden’s garage……next to the corvette! So, in your partisan democrat brain, because it’s Trump, who is mean, he deserves to be locked up forever. However Biden, he’s nice, just a slap on the wrist. It’s also funny how The View and Comedy Central claim these documents was planted by Republicans. Sorry, it’s more believable that Biden’s Democrat rivals planted the files to try to get this demented has been off the Dem ticket in 24. Regardless, President Biden comes off as either a hypocrite or a bumbling dolt. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 13, 2023 7:48:10 GMT -8
Most politicians are corrupt. Some more so than others. Democrats tend to be more corrupt than Republicans. Dems can get away with more shenanigans because they have the news media and social media covering up their corruption. A Republican slips up and they get crucified. George Santos agrees with you..he still has a job. MTG says Demar dropped on the field because of the covid vaccine..just another example of "professional athletes dropping dead in the field"...she still has a job..texts between Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson just released from Jones trial.. good buddies..texting often during the Covid crisis...maybe you beleive Sandy Hook was faked as well?..and don't forget trump in 2015 run-up to 2016 ..to Alex Jones "I'll never let you down"...nice compatriots you have. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2023 8:32:35 GMT -8
Not basically the same thing at all. Mishandling of classified information is a punishable offense, but it's largely an administrative issue. They would never charge a sitting or former president with that offense. Trump's indiscretions go *far* beyond mishandling. Wilful retention of classified information without a security clearance and the obstruction of the investigation is an actual criminal matter. Is Biden getting a pass? The AG has already launched an investigation and appointed a special counsel (a Trump appointee at that) to oversee the investigation. That's the direct opposite of getting a pass. As for the laughable notion that MAL is somehow secure, documents were found *OUTSIDE* the secure room they were supposed to never be taken from. One rises to the level of criminality, the other is a sloppy, egregious act of recklessness. Great talking points for the party of family values, though. Your take is beyond absurd. Oh sure, those classified documents were absolutely secure from Chinese and Russian spies…..in Biden’s garage……next to the corvette! So, in your partisan democrat brain, because it’s Trump, who is mean, he deserves to be locked up forever. However Biden, he’s nice, just a slap on the wrist. It’s also funny how The View and Comedy Central claim these documents was planted by Republicans. Sorry, it’s more believable that Biden’s Democrat rivals planted the files to try to get this demented has been off the Dem ticket in 24. Regardless, President Biden comes off as either a hypocrite or a bumbling dolt. It's impossible to take you seriously because your brain shifts to nonsense immediately. Chinese and Russian spies? According to....what? The fictionalized tale you tell yourself? You're going to reduce quite possibly the worst intelligence leak in American history because Trump is "mean"? Devaluing the seriousness of Trump's corruption does nobody any favors. The facts are this: NARA requested a tranche of documents back from Trump for over a year. He refused, on multiple occasions, to return them. He lied on a federal subpoena that all the documents had been found and returned. His attorney signed a sworn affidavit, which turned out also to be false. There is surveillance video from his residence that shows the documents being moved AFTER the subpoena was issued, which necessitated the search warrant for his residence. Nowhere in there does it say "he's mean" or anything of the sort. He committed multiple crimes and likely shared sensitive national defense information with a hostile government, considering his ties to Russia and Putin for the last half decade. Documents were found inside his personal desk. Documents were found in his closet. The massive difference you're disingenuously ignoring: There is no crime without intent to "injure the United States" or wilful retention with a specific purpose behind it. You can be a Republican without being a deceptive lunatic. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 13, 2023 8:37:23 GMT -8
Your take is beyond absurd. Oh sure, those classified documents were absolutely secure from Chinese and Russian spies…..in Biden’s garage……next to the corvette! So, in your partisan democrat brain, because it’s Trump, who is mean, he deserves to be locked up forever. However Biden, he’s nice, just a slap on the wrist. It’s also funny how The View and Comedy Central claim these documents was planted by Republicans. Sorry, it’s more believable that Biden’s Democrat rivals planted the files to try to get this demented has been off the Dem ticket in 24. Regardless, President Biden comes off as either a hypocrite or a bumbling dolt. It's impossible to take you seriously because your brain shifts to nonsense immediately. Chinese and Russian spies? According to....what? The fictionalized tale you tell yourself? You're going to reduce quite possibly the worst intelligence leak in American history because Trump is "mean"? Devaluing the seriousness of Trump's corruption does nobody any favors. The facts are this: NARA requested a tranche of documents back from Trump for over a year. He refused, on multiple occasions, to return them. He lied on a federal subpoena that all the documents had been found and returned. His attorney signed a sworn affidavit, which turned out also to be false. There is surveillance video from his residence that shows the documents being moved AFTER the subpoena was issued, which necessitated the search warrant for his residence. Nowhere in there does it say "he's mean" or anything of the sort. He committed multiple crimes and likely shared sensitive national defense information with a hostile government, considering his ties to Russia and Putin for the last half decade. Documents were found inside his personal desk. Documents were found in his closet. The massive difference you're disingenuously ignoring: There is no crime without intent to "injure the United States" or wilful retention with a specific purpose behind it. You can be a Republican without being a deceptive lunatic. or an asshole. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2023 8:42:02 GMT -8
Nobody is deflecting anything but your speculative general statements are as much a disservice as anything else. It's gaslighting, much the same as Laura Ingraham did tonight. The parallels are obvious with both situations centered around the mishandling of classified intelligence information. Largely that's where it ends. Nobody is softening anything. Facts are facts. Context matters. A public intelligence leak is not a good thing, point blank. The only good thing that will happen is hopefully a drastic change in security processes. But acting like Biden should have said something in November (no) and then going on blast when he said something today is just disregarding the nature of these cases. When someone has a post concerning what BIDEN did only, and then said poster feels the need to compare it to Trump's situation, is absolutely an attempt at softening the blow/deflecting. I understand if a poster has Trump's name in his post, but to say, "Well, that's no comparison to Trump's situation" just about in every post when someone is only speaking about Biden, is deflecting. Anyway, we'll see where all this goes, in a relatively short period of time, I hope. False. Man, this isn't difficult to comprehend. If you were silent six months ago, you don't get to speak up now because it fits your simplistic and uninformed view of the world. The OP's "Biden corruption" directly correlates to their anti-Democrat narrative ad nauseum, with zero concern for objectivity or the truth. Nobody with a brain would be irrationally concerned about Biden's sloppiness with records from nearly a decade ago and not give any credence to what transpired less than a year ago. Put it this way: One person with an active security clearance sloppily maintained classified intelligence documents in multiple locations. The other, without a security clearance, removed documents from the White House knowingly and with the intent to harm the United States. That person even tried to use the threat of the documents to leverage the federal government into a deal not to prosecute him. What matters more? I'll tell you right now if Biden committed an actual crime, he should be prosecuted. No deflection. Until that time comes, the outrage needs to be focused on executive procedure for handling classified intelligence information. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 13, 2023 8:43:36 GMT -8
Your take is beyond absurd. Oh sure, those classified documents were absolutely secure from Chinese and Russian spies…..in Biden’s garage……next to the corvette! So, in your partisan democrat brain, because it’s Trump, who is mean, he deserves to be locked up forever. However Biden, he’s nice, just a slap on the wrist. It’s also funny how The View and Comedy Central claim these documents was planted by Republicans. Sorry, it’s more believable that Biden’s Democrat rivals planted the files to try to get this demented has been off the Dem ticket in 24. Regardless, President Biden comes off as either a hypocrite or a bumbling dolt. It's impossible to take you seriously because your brain shifts to nonsense immediately. Chinese and Russian spies? According to....what? The fictionalized tale you tell yourself? You're going to reduce quite possibly the worst intelligence leak in American history because Trump is "mean"? Devaluing the seriousness of Trump's corruption does nobody any favors. The facts are this: NARA requested a tranche of documents back from Trump for over a year. He refused, on multiple occasions, to return them. He lied on a federal subpoena that all the documents had been found and returned. His attorney signed a sworn affidavit, which turned out also to be false. There is surveillance video from his residence that shows the documents being moved AFTER the subpoena was issued, which necessitated the search warrant for his residence. Nowhere in there does it say "he's mean" or anything of the sort. He committed multiple crimes and likely shared sensitive national defense information with a hostile government, considering his ties to Russia and Putin for the last half decade. Documents were found inside his personal desk. Documents were found in his closet. The massive difference you're disingenuously ignoring: There is no crime without intent to "injure the United States" or wilful retention with a specific purpose behind it. You can be a Republican without being a deceptive lunatic. You actually think Trump shared defense information with Russia??? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 13, 2023 8:51:48 GMT -8
When someone has a post concerning what BIDEN did only, and then said poster feels the need to compare it to Trump's situation, is absolutely an attempt at softening the blow/deflecting. I understand if a poster has Trump's name in his post, but to say, "Well, that's no comparison to Trump's situation" just about in every post when someone is only speaking about Biden, is deflecting. Anyway, we'll see where all this goes, in a relatively short period of time, I hope. False. Man, this isn't difficult to comprehend. If you were silent six months ago, you don't get to speak up now because it fits your simplistic and uninformed view of the world. The OP's "Biden corruption" directly correlates to their anti-Democrat narrative ad nauseum, with zero concern for objectivity or the truth. Nobody with a brain would be irrationally concerned about Biden's sloppiness with records from nearly a decade ago and not give any credence to what transpired less than a year ago. Put it this way: One person with an active security clearance sloppily maintained classified intelligence documents in multiple locations. The other, without a security clearance, removed documents from the White House knowingly and with the intent to harm the United States. That person even tried to use the threat of the documents to leverage the federal government into a deal not to prosecute him. What matters more? I'll tell you right now if Biden committed an actual crime, he should be prosecuted. No deflection. Until that time comes, the outrage needs to be focused on executive procedure for handling classified intelligence information. First of all, I can speak up whenever I'd like to. And, I did comment on Trump's Classified Documents situation at the time. So there's that. You don't get to tell anybody when they get to speak up. You went into "softening the blow" mode, from my first post. They're both not good. Period. We all know you'll bury Trump at any moment that you can find, but it gets old. Trump can bury his own self without you rehashing every moment, ad nauseam. By the way, some things are simply simplistic, but you have a way of trying to make them more complex than they are, ad nauseam, again. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 13, 2023 9:12:53 GMT -8
It's impossible to take you seriously because your brain shifts to nonsense immediately. Chinese and Russian spies? According to....what? The fictionalized tale you tell yourself? You're going to reduce quite possibly the worst intelligence leak in American history because Trump is "mean"? Devaluing the seriousness of Trump's corruption does nobody any favors. The facts are this: NARA requested a tranche of documents back from Trump for over a year. He refused, on multiple occasions, to return them. He lied on a federal subpoena that all the documents had been found and returned. His attorney signed a sworn affidavit, which turned out also to be false. There is surveillance video from his residence that shows the documents being moved AFTER the subpoena was issued, which necessitated the search warrant for his residence. Nowhere in there does it say "he's mean" or anything of the sort. He committed multiple crimes and likely shared sensitive national defense information with a hostile government, considering his ties to Russia and Putin for the last half decade. Documents were found inside his personal desk. Documents were found in his closet. The massive difference you're disingenuously ignoring: There is no crime without intent to "injure the United States" or wilful retention with a specific purpose behind it. You can be a Republican without being a deceptive lunatic. You actually think Trump shared defense information with Russia??? wouldn't put it past him John. please send me to one link where trump has ever said anything negative about Putin. In fact he called him "brilliant" for going into Ukraine. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2023 9:31:14 GMT -8
It's impossible to take you seriously because your brain shifts to nonsense immediately. Chinese and Russian spies? According to....what? The fictionalized tale you tell yourself? You're going to reduce quite possibly the worst intelligence leak in American history because Trump is "mean"? Devaluing the seriousness of Trump's corruption does nobody any favors. The facts are this: NARA requested a tranche of documents back from Trump for over a year. He refused, on multiple occasions, to return them. He lied on a federal subpoena that all the documents had been found and returned. His attorney signed a sworn affidavit, which turned out also to be false. There is surveillance video from his residence that shows the documents being moved AFTER the subpoena was issued, which necessitated the search warrant for his residence. Nowhere in there does it say "he's mean" or anything of the sort. He committed multiple crimes and likely shared sensitive national defense information with a hostile government, considering his ties to Russia and Putin for the last half decade. Documents were found inside his personal desk. Documents were found in his closet. The massive difference you're disingenuously ignoring: There is no crime without intent to "injure the United States" or wilful retention with a specific purpose behind it. You can be a Republican without being a deceptive lunatic. You actually think Trump shared defense information with Russia??? Uh, yeah. I don't think it's a question, personally. Connect the dots with what we know already. www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/leaked-russia-docs-refer-to-compromising-material-on-trump-guardian-2021-7%3famp- The US had to remove a spy embedded inside Putin's inner circle in 2017 in fear that Trump's impulse would expose him. - MAL was a national security nightmare with foreign nationals coming and going, including the Ukrainian woman who faked her identity as a member of the Rothschild banking dynasty to the point she golfed with Trump and Lindsey Graham. - Trump had classified material on foreign leaders, including the president of France...for some reason? Leverage? I don't think it's a question of if, personally. You don't hold on to nuclear readiness programs of other countries without a specific purpose in mind. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 13, 2023 9:46:57 GMT -8
You actually think Trump shared defense information with Russia??? wouldn't put it past him John. please send me to one link where trump has ever said anything negative about Putin. In fact he called him "brilliant" for going into Ukraine. To actually share intelligent information with Russia would have to come from someone who needs the money and/or hates America. I don't think Trump fits those criteria. He may be many bad things, but he's not a spy, or someone who will jeopardize National Security. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 13, 2023 9:55:56 GMT -8
You actually think Trump shared defense information with Russia??? wouldn't put it past him John. please send me to one link where trump has ever said anything negative about Putin. In fact he called him "brilliant" for going into Ukraine. I believe it was because he felt that Biden hadn't done enough (sanctions) to deter Russia, so Putin was taking advantage of Biden. To be fair, he also said that it was a very sad day for the world, etc.... I'm personally over the Trump administration, so it's difficult for me to defend him when I feel it's warranted, but sometimes I will. He's done enough wrong things already. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 13, 2023 10:05:19 GMT -8
wouldn't put it past him John. please send me to one link where trump has ever said anything negative about Putin. In fact he called him "brilliant" for going into Ukraine. I believe it was because he felt that Biden hadn't done enough (sanctions) to deter Russia, so Putin was taking advantage of Biden. To be fair, he also said that it was a very sad day for the world, etc.... I'm personally over the Trump administration, so it's difficult for me to defend him when I feel it's warranted, but sometimes I will. He's done enough wrong things already. yep trump was deterring Russia all right by knee capping NATO..we know where he was going with that...but don't listen to me ..try Bolton, Kelley, Milley , Mad Dog or any of other hundreds who were actually in the administration with that piece of work. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 13, 2023 10:12:36 GMT -8
It's impossible to take you seriously because your brain shifts to nonsense immediately. Chinese and Russian spies? According to....what? The fictionalized tale you tell yourself? You're going to reduce quite possibly the worst intelligence leak in American history because Trump is "mean"? Devaluing the seriousness of Trump's corruption does nobody any favors. The facts are this: NARA requested a tranche of documents back from Trump for over a year. He refused, on multiple occasions, to return them. He lied on a federal subpoena that all the documents had been found and returned. His attorney signed a sworn affidavit, which turned out also to be false. There is surveillance video from his residence that shows the documents being moved AFTER the subpoena was issued, which necessitated the search warrant for his residence. Nowhere in there does it say "he's mean" or anything of the sort. He committed multiple crimes and likely shared sensitive national defense information with a hostile government, considering his ties to Russia and Putin for the last half decade. Documents were found inside his personal desk. Documents were found in his closet. The massive difference you're disingenuously ignoring: There is no crime without intent to "injure the United States" or wilful retention with a specific purpose behind it. You can be a Republican without being a deceptive lunatic. You actually think Trump shared defense information with Russia??? I do. Trump idolizes Putin. He desperately wants Putin's respect. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2023 10:27:40 GMT -8
wouldn't put it past him John. please send me to one link where trump has ever said anything negative about Putin. In fact he called him "brilliant" for going into Ukraine. To actually share intelligent information with Russia would have to come from someone who needs the money and/or hates America. I don't think Trump fits those criteria. He may be many bad things, but he's not a spy, or someone who will jeopardize National Security. You're kidding....right? Trump wouldn't jeopardize national security? Withholding foreign aid to Ukraine that forced impeachment hearings? Ignoring his own intelligence officials about threats from Iran and North Korea? "It is an indisputable fact that he reached out to a foreign enemy to help him win the 2016 election. He compromised U.S. national security by naming a national security adviser, Gen. Michael Flynn, about whose foreign ties he had been warned, and who would last only days in office and would later lie to the FBI. Trump again compromised our security when he provided classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador during an infamous spring 2017 Oval Office meeting. He did so again by pushing through clearances for members of his family, including his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared, who career officials said should not receive them. Then there were Trump’s off-the-record discussions with Vladimir Putin, and his casual discussion of classified information at parties at Mar-a-Lago—which made it a target of foreign spy operations. And he appointed unqualified political hacks, sometimes illegally, to top national security positions including atop the intelligence community." He might be the biggest risk to national security in recent memory. |
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