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Post by johneaztec on Dec 7, 2022 13:29:39 GMT -8
The truth of the matter is that if Democrats were losing elections of importance, there would be those that would cry voter fraud, as well. It goes both ways. Really? Compare HRC's reaction to losing a close election to Trump's and get back to me. John, your false equivalence continues to baffle. I wrote AM and Thor off long ago but I still have hope you'll see the light one day. I would rather respond to someone who's been cordial with me, but disagrees with me, rather than respond in length to someone (Ryan) who has MUCH vitriol, so I'll respond to you. To clarify, in my OP about this subject, I never mentioned Hillary versus Trump. I was only talking about the media and some politicians, in general. I get it that Trump made this a big issue, and I listened to both sides about the voter fraud subject after the last election, and I came away with the conclusion that Trump was grasping at straws. To be clear, I am not a Trump supporter. I'm an Independent. I do admit that I was a Trump sympathizer in the past, but I grew away from that. So, I'm only saying that there would be some Dems, etc, who would shout at the top of their lungs of voter fraud if Trump won the last election and in other elections as well, especially because of COVID, etc.... If I see something that gets one sided too much, and I feel that there's another side to it, I like to point it out. |
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Post by johneaztec on Dec 7, 2022 13:34:19 GMT -8
Ha!!! Triggered much? Lol. Did I say anything about Hillary? You're the one comparing Trump to Hillary, etc.... No, I don't KNOW it. What I'M saying is that there would be individuals in the media, and some politicians that would be screaming voter fraud, as well on the Democratic side. That's it. You, of course, will go the dramatic route and will ASSume what you want to ASSume what I'm referring to. If you say that some Democrats wouldn't, and haven't cried voter fraud, then you're very naive. Also, of course you're going to say that you're tired of hearing me say that both sides react the same way in certain situations, because you want to have blinders on and deflect accountability. You want to make one side look as bad as possy when the other side has their issues as well. No shock there. Triggered? No. A low tolerance for disingenous lying in a public forum about a gravely serious topic? Yes. This stuff matters. The truth matters. I'm using Hillary Clinton as an obvious recent example of a contested election where she conceded after there were doubts about votes cast (If we aren't talking about historical parallels, then what the hell is your point?) (This shouldn't be hard to understand?).... You're speaking in constant generalities, while I'm not. You prefer to point fingers opposite of reality. I prefer to get to a point. Your point is vague conjecture and whataboutism, as per your usual standard. It's not about "some Democrats"....it's about the largest single influential figure in an entire party who has mainstream appeal and cult status. How can you not see that? You really think if a random member of the House on the side of the Dems went on social media and declared all elections that they didn't win corrupt and rife with fraud that it would somehow equate to what the former sitting president has maintained for 6+ years now? THINK. It's not hard to figure this out. ONE party is the issue when it comes to this specific scenario. And no, I don't care if you look bad. You take care of that on your own with your constant lazy critiques. There's no effort. Zero. You think *I'm* trying to deflect? As you talk yourself in circles here, you haven't found the truth of the matter because you simply don't care to. It's pathetic, frankly. "The other side having issues" isn't the issue HERE. Full stop. I don't like being called a liar when I'm not lying. So control yourself there with the slander. If you can't understand that all I'm saying is that there would others, the Media, some politicians who would have raised the voter fraud flag up if Trump had won the last election. I get it that Trump made a whole mess of it, but if he would have won there still would have been talk from the Dem, Lib side about voter fraud. That's it. Now, take a cold shower and cool off, bud. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 7, 2022 14:46:35 GMT -8
Triggered? No. A low tolerance for disingenous lying in a public forum about a gravely serious topic? Yes. This stuff matters. The truth matters. I'm using Hillary Clinton as an obvious recent example of a contested election where she conceded after there were doubts about votes cast (If we aren't talking about historical parallels, then what the hell is your point?) (This shouldn't be hard to understand?).... You're speaking in constant generalities, while I'm not. You prefer to point fingers opposite of reality. I prefer to get to a point. Your point is vague conjecture and whataboutism, as per your usual standard. It's not about "some Democrats"....it's about the largest single influential figure in an entire party who has mainstream appeal and cult status. How can you not see that? You really think if a random member of the House on the side of the Dems went on social media and declared all elections that they didn't win corrupt and rife with fraud that it would somehow equate to what the former sitting president has maintained for 6+ years now? THINK. It's not hard to figure this out. ONE party is the issue when it comes to this specific scenario. And no, I don't care if you look bad. You take care of that on your own with your constant lazy critiques. There's no effort. Zero. You think *I'm* trying to deflect? As you talk yourself in circles here, you haven't found the truth of the matter because you simply don't care to. It's pathetic, frankly. "The other side having issues" isn't the issue HERE. Full stop. I don't like being called a liar when I'm not lying. So control yourself there with the slander. If you can't understand that all I'm saying is that there would others, the Media, some politicians who would have raised the voter fraud flag up if Trump had won the last election. I get it that Trump made a whole mess of it, but if he would have won there still would have been talk from the Dem, Lib side about voter fraud. That's it. Now, take a cold shower and cool off, bud. Because your statement isn't the same thing as what is taking place now. I don't agree with it in the first place, because it didn't happen in the last election. You diminishing what's happening is a disservice. This is about one party, not two. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 7, 2022 14:57:41 GMT -8
I don't like being called a liar when I'm not lying. So control yourself there with the slander. If you can't understand that all I'm saying is that there would others, the Media, some politicians who would have raised the voter fraud flag up if Trump had won the last election. I get it that Trump made a whole mess of it, but if he would have won there still would have been talk from the Dem, Lib side about voter fraud. That's it. Now, take a cold shower and cool off, bud. Because your statement isn't the same thing as what is taking place now. I don't agree with it in the first place, because it didn't happen in the last election. You diminishing what's happening is a disservice. This is about one party, not two. Here's the bottom line: One party stormed the Capitol that resulted in the deaths of multiple people. One party promoted an orchestrated attack on democracy and amplified an outright lie about voting in America. They swung elections. They created a level of distrust among the citizenry in a functional democracy. It's still going, two plus years later. Still being broadcast across fringe media. Some of those people won elected office in the last election cycle. Think about that. We have election deniers in public office right now. In no way, shape or form is that on the same level as "some Democrats might complain about voter fraud because of uh...COVID?" which makes no sense in the first place because mail-in voting has been popular among Democrats for decades. It's the Republican side that despises mail-in ballots, even though many of those politicians vote by mail to begin with. It's a huge false equivalence. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 12, 2023 14:01:21 GMT -8
So, Biden is now under investigation for mishandling classified documents. Since former president Trump was politically crucified by the democrats for basically the same thing, the credibility of the Department of Justice is now on the line.
Does Biden get a pass? Should he?
Of course the answer to those questions is hell no.
At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding these files on an island mansion. Biden left his stuff in a file cabinet in a university, open to anyone’s perusal.
This is just the first thing BTW, the Biden people have been very sloppy over the years.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 14:27:41 GMT -8
So, Biden is now under investigation for mishandling classified documents. Since former president Trump was politically crucified by the democrats for basically the same thing, the credibility of the Department of Justice is now on the line. Does Biden get a pass? Should he? Of course the answer to those questions is hell no. At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding these files on an island mansion. Biden left his stuff in a file cabinet in a university, open to anyone’s perusal. This is just the first thing BTW, the Biden people have been very sloppy over the years. Not basically the same thing at all. Mishandling of classified information is a punishable offense, but it's largely an administrative issue. They would never charge a sitting or former president with that offense. Trump's indiscretions go *far* beyond mishandling. Wilful retention of classified information without a security clearance and the obstruction of the investigation is an actual criminal matter. Is Biden getting a pass? The AG has already launched an investigation and appointed a special counsel (a Trump appointee at that) to oversee the investigation. That's the direct opposite of getting a pass. As for the laughable notion that MAL is somehow secure, documents were found *OUTSIDE* the secure room they were supposed to never be taken from. One rises to the level of criminality, the other is a sloppy, egregious act of recklessness. Great talking points for the party of family values, though. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2023 15:36:58 GMT -8
So, Biden is now under investigation for mishandling classified documents. Since former president Trump was politically crucified by the democrats for basically the same thing, the credibility of the Department of Justice is now on the line. Does Biden get a pass? Should he? Of course the answer to those questions is hell no. At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding these files on an island mansion. Biden left his stuff in a file cabinet in a university, open to anyone’s perusal. This is just the first thing BTW, the Biden people have been very sloppy over the years. Not basically the same thing at all. Mishandling of classified information is a punishable offense, but it's largely an administrative issue. They would never charge a sitting or former president with that offense. Trump's indiscretions go *far* beyond mishandling. Wilful retention of classified information without a security clearance and the obstruction of the investigation is an actual criminal matter. Is Biden getting a pass? The AG has already launched an investigation and appointed a special counsel (a Trump appointee at that) to oversee the investigation. That's the direct opposite of getting a pass. As for the laughable notion that MAL is somehow secure, documents were found *OUTSIDE* the secure room they were supposed to never be taken from. One rises to the level of criminality, the other is a sloppy, egregious act of recklessness. Great talking points for the party of family values, though. They absolutely HAD to appoint a Special Counsel. If Trump hadn't gone through the same thing, there most likely would not have been a Special Counsel appointed |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 16:43:31 GMT -8
Not basically the same thing at all. Mishandling of classified information is a punishable offense, but it's largely an administrative issue. They would never charge a sitting or former president with that offense. Trump's indiscretions go *far* beyond mishandling. Wilful retention of classified information without a security clearance and the obstruction of the investigation is an actual criminal matter. Is Biden getting a pass? The AG has already launched an investigation and appointed a special counsel (a Trump appointee at that) to oversee the investigation. That's the direct opposite of getting a pass. As for the laughable notion that MAL is somehow secure, documents were found *OUTSIDE* the secure room they were supposed to never be taken from. One rises to the level of criminality, the other is a sloppy, egregious act of recklessness. Great talking points for the party of family values, though. They absolutely HAD to appoint a Special Counsel. If Trump hadn't gone through the same thing, there most likely would not have been a Special Counsel appointed They didn't have to do anything and there's no correlation between the investigations beyond simple avoidance of conflict of interest. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2023 16:48:33 GMT -8
They absolutely HAD to appoint a Special Counsel. If Trump hadn't gone through the same thing, there most likely would not have been a Special Counsel appointed They didn't have to do anything and there's no correlation between the investigations beyond simple avoidance of conflict of interest. Of course they didn't HAVE to do it. But, in all reality, they HAD to do it, or it would have created conflict and uproar. It's not shocking, or a wow moment that they appointed Special Counsel. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 16:54:42 GMT -8
They didn't have to do anything and there's no correlation between the investigations beyond simple avoidance of conflict of interest. Of course they didn't HAVE to do it. But, in all reality, they HAD to do it, or it would have created conflict and uproar. It's not shocking, or a wow moment that they appointed Special Counsel. Again, they didn't have to do anything because there was no obstruction or retention by the Biden camp. The reason a SC was appointed for the Trump investigation was because he failed to comply multiple times with requests by NARA, then lied on a subpoena, then failed to adhere to a search warrant, then obstructed the investigation afterwards. Garland is just trying to avoid the appearance of partisanship. |
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Post by aardvark on Jan 12, 2023 17:19:39 GMT -8
So, Biden is now under investigation for mishandling classified documents. Since former president Trump was politically crucified by the democrats for basically the same thing, the credibility of the Department of Justice is now on the line. Does Biden get a pass? Should he? Of course the answer to those questions is hell no. At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding these files on an island mansion. Biden left his stuff in a file cabinet in a university, open to anyone’s perusal. This is just the first thing BTW, the Biden people have been very sloppy over the years. Some of Biden's documents HAD to be secure, as they were in a garage WITH A CORVETTE IN IT!!  |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2023 17:46:55 GMT -8
So, Biden is now under investigation for mishandling classified documents. Since former president Trump was politically crucified by the democrats for basically the same thing, the credibility of the Department of Justice is now on the line. Does Biden get a pass? Should he? Of course the answer to those questions is hell no. At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding these files on an island mansion. Biden left his stuff in a file cabinet in a university, open to anyone’s perusal. This is just the first thing BTW, the Biden people have been very sloppy over the years. Some of Biden's documents HAD to be secure, as they were in a garage WITH A CORVETTE IN IT!! Lol. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2023 17:52:06 GMT -8
Of course they didn't HAVE to do it. But, in all reality, they HAD to do it, or it would have created conflict and uproar. It's not shocking, or a wow moment that they appointed Special Counsel. Again, they didn't have to do anything because there was no obstruction or retention by the Biden camp. The reason a SC was appointed for the Trump investigation was because he failed to comply multiple times with requests by NARA, then lied on a subpoena, then failed to adhere to a search warrant, then obstructed the investigation afterwards. Garland is just trying to avoid the appearance of partisanship. Exactly what I said. To avoid conflict. They basically HAD to for optics. So, it wasn't a shocker that they appointed one. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2023 18:17:26 GMT -8
I find it humorous that Biden says he's being transparent, even though he didn't mention it for it for months. Of course he's being transparent, NOW.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 19:24:09 GMT -8
So, Biden is now under investigation for mishandling classified documents. Since former president Trump was politically crucified by the democrats for basically the same thing, the credibility of the Department of Justice is now on the line. Does Biden get a pass? Should he? Of course the answer to those questions is hell no. At least Trump had the Secret Service guarding these files on an island mansion. Biden left his stuff in a file cabinet in a university, open to anyone’s perusal. This is just the first thing BTW, the Biden people have been very sloppy over the years. Some of Biden's documents HAD to be secure, as they were in a garage WITH A CORVETTE IN IT!! I actually chuckled a little. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 19:25:10 GMT -8
Some of Biden's documents HAD to be secure, as they were in a garage WITH A CORVETTE IN IT!! I actually chuckled a little. Buuuuut I can top that. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 19:26:54 GMT -8
I find it humorous that Biden says he's being transparent, even though he didn't mention it for it for months. Of course he's being transparent, NOW. In the same vein, we didn't find out Trump's situation for over a year. In general, people don't comment on ongoing investigations. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 19:33:05 GMT -8
LMAO
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 19:35:37 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2023 19:43:01 GMT -8
Because NARA asked for the documents back and didn't receive them. Then they asked again, and didn't receive them. Then a subpoena was issued, and it was not complied with in full by the FPOTUS' lawyers. Then surveillance video showed them moving the documents after the subpoena was issued. There was no raid, it was a federal search warrant. Clay Travis knows a lot about SEC sports, but he's a political hack. If there was evidence Biden was hoarding documents knowingly that he had no clearance to obtain, there would be hellfire inbound. |
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