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Sept 19, 2022 18:39:31 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 18:39:31 GMT -8
Protects me? Yes. Also, I'm simply very thankful for the life he's given me and for Jesus having to die to give us hope for eternal life. You sound just like a person who's heart is hardened that there's no hope for you, unfortunately. And, I hope before you die that's not the case. By the way, there was AT LEAST 500 people who witnessed Jesus resurrection. It only takes 1 eye witness in a court of law to convict, or exonerate someone. So there's that. That's that? Come on. You know that's bull$#!+. The STORY is that there were 500 people who witnessed the resurrection. That's a story, a myth. HEARSAY is not admissable in court. Try again. You only believe in God and Jesus because you were indoctrinated. You have seen no actual evidence of the existence of God. You have just been told by people you trust that he exists. It's all word of mouth - stories. I posted before how books of the Bible were actually written long after the events supposedly happened. It's the freaking telephone game - the stories got bigger and more outlandish each time they were told! By the time these stories were written down and compiled they had become rather tall tales. Jesus was a superhero! He was Wolverine! Able to regenerate. Seriously, Jesus was the first superhero. A great fictional character that had little resemblance to the real person he was based on. It's a cult. By the way, you don't know me, so tell me how it is that I came being a believer in Jesus. Yes, I was raised a Christian, but rebelled and then came back to Christianity after studying it, and comparing it to other religions and which faith has the most evidence for it. Have you ever looked into the Dead Sea Scrolls and what they are/mean?
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Sept 19, 2022 18:40:37 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 18:40:37 GMT -8
And, it's really difficult to change someone's heart that's been so hardened by the worldly ways. Also, this actually THEE most important thing in someone's life since it controls what happens to you after you die. You and others had better hope you're correct, but I'm sorry to say you're not. When you die, you're dead. If you're a Christian, you believe that you're earthly body dies, but not your soul.
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Sept 19, 2022 18:42:45 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 19, 2022 18:42:45 GMT -8
When you die, you're dead. If you're a Christian, you believe that you're earthly body dies, but not your soul. Good. Beliefs aren't facts, they are opinions. Opinions rooted in fables are still opinions.
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Sept 19, 2022 18:43:31 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 18:43:31 GMT -8
You stated: "The point is, it is possible that there was a time before anything existed. No God required." So you believe there was actually NOTHING, then all of a sudden, NOTHING gave rise to SOMETHING. You can believe that, but I don't think that is reasonable. BTW: You are wrong about religion being the major killer historically (yes, people have killed people over religion). However, the atheist governments of Russia, China, and Cambodia, killed an estimated 21 - 70 million non-combatants in the 20th century alone. Let that sink in. How about two millennia of murder in the name of religion before that? And how about the Jews killed because they had the WRONG religion? Germany was a Christian country. And how about those pesky Crusades? Our religion is better than yours, so you must DIE!!!! Hitler was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Bad example of Germany being run by a so called Christian. Hitler was compelled by Satan and his demons.
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Sept 19, 2022 18:46:29 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 18:46:29 GMT -8
If you're a Christian, you believe that you're earthly body dies, but not your soul. Good. Beliefs aren't facts, they are opinions. Opinions rooted in fables are still opinions. Since it's not a fable, it's a fact, so that's what happens to Christians when they die. How do YOU think our bodies work so in sync, and the moon and the sun, etc? Did it just happen? Does our heart pump the way it does, our breathing, the way our eyes work just happen?
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Sept 19, 2022 18:48:56 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 18:48:56 GMT -8
The Dead Sea Scroll match verbatim to passages of the Bible.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Sept 19, 2022 19:10:29 GMT -8
You stated: "The point is, it is possible that there was a time before anything existed. No God required." So you believe there was actually NOTHING, then all of a sudden, NOTHING gave rise to SOMETHING. You can believe that, but I don't think that is reasonable. BTW: You are wrong about religion being the major killer historically (yes, people have killed people over religion). However, the atheist governments of Russia, China, and Cambodia, killed an estimated 21 - 70 million non-combatants in the 20th century alone. Let that sink in. How about two millennia of murder in the name of religion before that? And how about the Jews killed because they had the WRONG religion? Germany was a Christian country. And how about those pesky Crusades? Our religion is better than yours, so you must DIE!!!! So I guess we're done with "who created God". Just to be clear, you believe that there was actually NOTHING, then all of a sudden, NOTHING gave rise to SOMETHING. Is that correct? The Holocaust had nothing to do with Christianity. Again, the atheist governments of Russia, China, and Cambodia, killed an estimated 21 - 70 million non-combatants in the 20th century alone, that is more that all individuals killed for having the wrong religion by Christians and it's not even close. For example the number of people killed during the Spanish inquisition, which lasted over 200 years was 3,000 - 5,000.
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Sept 19, 2022 20:09:37 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 19, 2022 20:09:37 GMT -8
How about two millennia of murder in the name of religion before that? And how about the Jews killed because they had the WRONG religion? Germany was a Christian country. And how about those pesky Crusades? Our religion is better than yours, so you must DIE!!!! Hitler was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Bad example of Germany being run by a so called Christian. Hitler was compelled by the Satan and his demons. There is no Satan, and there are no Demons. Although Donald Trump is fairly demonic. People control their own actions. Free will is a thing.
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Sept 19, 2022 20:12:34 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 19, 2022 20:12:34 GMT -8
There are so many more important things than to argue with the religious zealots. You'll never convince a believer that the Bible is fiction, you'll never get past the facade of scripture itself. Besides, it's very lonely in the "Will a former president be indicted for 3,673,924 crimes" thread. And, it's really difficult to change someone's heart that's been so hardened by the worldly ways. Also, this actually THEE most important thing in someone's life since it controls what happens to you after you die. You and others had better hope you're correct, but I'm sorry to say you're not. Really, based on what evidence? You rely solely on faith. Faith in what others have told you. Faith that 2,000 year old stories weren't made up or greatly exaggerated. Faith in things you cannot prove. But you do not rely on any empirical evidence. You've got nothing that holds up to scientific scrutiny, and nothing that would be admissible in court. And nothing that makes any sense, either. It's fables and stories based on superstition from a time when people were too primitive and ignorant to know any better. But you should. No one in the 21st century has any excuse to believe in the absurd.
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Sept 19, 2022 20:26:25 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 19, 2022 20:26:25 GMT -8
Good. Beliefs aren't facts, they are opinions. Opinions rooted in fables are still opinions. Since it's not a fable, it's a fact, so that's what happens to Christians when they die. How do YOU think our bodies work so in sync, and the moon and the sun, etc? Did it just happen? Does our heart pump the way it does, our breathing, the way our eyes work just happen? Facts, by definition, can be proven. You can't prove anything in this example. You don't know what happens to anyone when they die, you're still alive. You rely on your beliefs and what scripture tells you, which isn't fact. Physiology isn't religion. The moon and the sun? Sounds like we're in the Middle Ages.
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Sept 19, 2022 20:27:55 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 20:27:55 GMT -8
And, it's really difficult to change someone's heart that's been so hardened by the worldly ways. Also, this actually THEE most important thing in someone's life since it controls what happens to you after you die. You and others had better hope you're correct, but I'm sorry to say you're not. Really, based on what evidence? You rely solely on faith. Faith in what others have told you. Faith that 2,000 year old stories weren't made up or greatly exaggerated. Faith in things you cannot prove. But you do not rely on any empirical evidence. You've got nothing that holds up to scientific scrutiny, and nothing that would be admissible in court. And nothing that makes any sense, either. It's fables and stories based on superstition from a time when people were too primitive and ignorant to know any better. But you should. No one in the 21st century has any excuse to believe in the absurd. So, do you believe that ANYTHING that happened hundreds, if not thousands of years ago is hearsay?
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Sept 19, 2022 20:35:43 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 20:35:43 GMT -8
Since it's not a fable, it's a fact, so that's what happens to Christians when they die. How do YOU think our bodies work so in sync, and the moon and the sun, etc? Did it just happen? Does our heart pump the way it does, our breathing, the way our eyes work just happen? Facts, by definition, can be proven. You can't prove anything in this example. You don't know what happens to anyone when they die, you're still alive. You rely on your beliefs and what scripture tells you, which isn't fact. Physiology isn't religion. The moon and the sun? Sounds like we're in the Middle Ages. There's definitely Faith involved, but anybody who believes that we were made up by the big bang theory, or poof it just happened, is not being rational. As humans, we're too intricate for it to just happen out of thin air, and so is this planet. Therefore, I decided to figure out how it happened, and I came away with it being through God and his Son, Jesus Christ. There's more evidence to say that it is through God that we are created, than to say we aren't.
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Sept 19, 2022 20:38:55 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 19, 2022 20:38:55 GMT -8
Read Isiah 53 in the Old Testament. It describes basically to a tee what Jesus was going to go through while here on earth. Of course, it was written MANY years before Jesus came to earth.
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Post by aztecryan on Sept 19, 2022 21:07:46 GMT -8
Facts, by definition, can be proven. You can't prove anything in this example. You don't know what happens to anyone when they die, you're still alive. You rely on your beliefs and what scripture tells you, which isn't fact. Physiology isn't religion. The moon and the sun? Sounds like we're in the Middle Ages. There's definitely Faith involved, but anybody who believes that we were made up by the big bang theory, or poof it just happened, is not being rational. As humans, we're too intricate for it to just happen out of thin air, and so is this planet. Therefore, I decided to figure out how it happened, and I came away with it being through God and his Son, Jesus Christ. There's more evidence to say that it is through God that we are created, than to say it we aren't. Where's the evidence?
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Sept 19, 2022 22:08:14 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 19, 2022 22:08:14 GMT -8
Really, based on what evidence? You rely solely on faith. Faith in what others have told you. Faith that 2,000 year old stories weren't made up or greatly exaggerated. Faith in things you cannot prove. But you do not rely on any empirical evidence. You've got nothing that holds up to scientific scrutiny, and nothing that would be admissible in court. And nothing that makes any sense, either. It's fables and stories based on superstition from a time when people were too primitive and ignorant to know any better. But you should. No one in the 21st century has any excuse to believe in the absurd. So, do you believe that ANYTHING that happened hundreds, if not thousands of years ago is hearsay? I believe in things that are provable. Physical evidence. Writings that are of confirmed origin that were contemporary. Things that an archaeologist would accept. The Bible is stuff that is compiled from a lot of unnamed sources (the people that many of those books are credited to did not write, "Their," books in the Bible - and I posted one such documented case earlier in this thread). I don't believe in wild, insane stories about someone walking on water and rising from the dead. Those are utterly unprovable and come from unreliable sources. AND they're completely ridiculous. Common sense and the ability to use critical thinking skills will tell you those things never happened. It's all word of mouth - people telling the stories in a compelling manner. Jesus was just a man, nothing more. God is just an idea, not a real, all powerful, all knowing creator of the universe.
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Sept 19, 2022 22:10:49 GMT -8
Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 19, 2022 22:10:49 GMT -8
Read Isiah 53 in the Old Testament. It describes basically to a tee what Jesus was going to go through while here on earth. Of course, it was written MANY years before Jesus came to earth. Yeah, and you don't think the people spreading those stories knew that? They wanted to build this religion. They told the stories that they either, A.) knew would gain followers or, B.) heard second hand and wanted to believe. Those stories fit the Old Testament. It's what they wanted to believe, so they told the stories in a compelling manner, and people were ready to hear them because they wanted them to be true. That doesn't mean they were true. It means people took advantage of others who needed to hear those stories and needed to believe in a Son of God to save them.
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Sept 20, 2022 20:46:29 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on Sept 20, 2022 20:46:29 GMT -8
I hope this thread gets to a hundred pages. I'm doing my part. I'm done respecting religious beliefs. Religion has been weaponized. Enough is enough. If religios people want respect they need to respect the rights of others and rein in the people on their side who are sliding into extremism. Yes but it is the weaponization of religion that you have a problem with - not religion itself - right?
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Post by sdsuball on Sept 20, 2022 20:48:46 GMT -8
How about two millennia of murder in the name of religion before that? And how about the Jews killed because they had the WRONG religion? Germany was a Christian country. And how about those pesky Crusades? Our religion is better than yours, so you must DIE!!!! Hitler was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Bad example of Germany being run by a so called Christian. Hitler was compelled by the Satan and his demons. And compelled by his copious consumption of speed and meth.
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Sept 20, 2022 20:58:09 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on Sept 20, 2022 20:58:09 GMT -8
I think that it's interesting to consider simulation theory in the context of the religion debate. So, what does all of this mean? If we take the red pill and step through the looking glass, simulation theory posits that we are all likely living in an extremely powerful computer program. (Think The Matrix.)It sounds far-fetched, but Swedish philosopher Nick Bostrom showed in 2003 that it’s more probable than one might think. In his seminal paper titled “Are You Living in a Computer Simulation?” Bostrom explained that future generations might have mega-computers that can run numerous and detailed simulations of their forebears, in other words “ancestor simulations,” in which simulated beings are imbued with a sort of artificial consciousness. And the odds are, we are products of that simulation."“Then it could be the case,” he explained, “that the vast majority of minds like ours do not belong to the original race but rather to people simulated by the advanced descendants of an original race. It is then possible to argue that, if this were the case, we would be rational to think that we are likely among the simulated minds rather than among the original biological ones.Other philosophers have expanded on Bostrom’s argument. New York University philosophy professor David Chalmers described the higher being responsible for this potential hyper-realistic simulation as a “programmer in the next universe up,” perhaps one we mortals might consider a god of some sort — though not necessarily in the traditional sense. “[They] may just be a teenager,” Chalmers said, “hacking on a computer and running five universes in the background … But it might be someone who is nonetheless omniscient, all-knowing and all-powerful about our world.”Source: builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theoryWhat if this world is a simulation where our purpose is to learn and become higher beings/souls?
That could be congruent with many religions as well as science.The theory also builds on the argument philosophers have been having for centuries, which is that we can never know if what we’re seeing is “real.”
“Simply because we perceive the world as ‘real’ and ‘material’ doesn’t mean that it is so,” said Rizwan Virk, a tech entrepreneur and author of The Simulation Hypothesis. “In fact, the findings of quantum physics may shed some doubt on the fact that the material universe is real. The more that scientists look for the ‘material’ in the material world, the more they find that it doesn’t exist.”
“The findings of quantum physics may shed some doubt on the fact that the material universe is real.”
Virk mentioned the renowned physicist John Wheeler, who worked with Albert Einstein decades ago. In his lifetime, Wheeler said, physics had evolved from the premise that “everything is a particle” to “everything is information.” He also coined a phrase that’s well known in scientific circles: “It from bit,” meaning everything is based on information. Even the definition of a particle in physics is “kind of fuzzy,” Virk added, “and may in fact just be a qubit — a quantum computing bit.”
To Musk’s unique way of thinking, the strongest argument for our probably being in a simulation is that, as he put it in 2016, “Forty years ago, we had Pong, two rectangles and a dot … That is what games were. Now, 40 years later, we have photorealistic 3D simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously, and it’s getting better every year. And soon we’ll have virtual reality, augmented reality. If you assume any rate of improvement at all, the games will become indistinguishable from reality.”
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Sept 20, 2022 22:25:55 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 20, 2022 22:25:55 GMT -8
Here on earth is like one final exam that you're taking. It's like taking a test that's only a Pass, or Fail grade, and Jesus is equivalent to a Professor that will not let you have a redo if you Fail.
You cannot retake the test after you've died and realize that Jesus Christ is God. You can't say, "Oh, I believe you now!!!" He will say, back away from me, I never knew you. You we're ashamed of me, as I am if you now. You DO NOT want that to happen. Investigate more. Do more research, before it's too late.
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