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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 18:09:30 GMT -8
You're in a completely different conversation than what my original statement addressed, and you did not answer my question in this response. But to speak to the conversation you are having in this response - yes, the Uvalde cops are sacks of garbage and every day another story comes out that make them look worse. All involved in the thumbsupasses standing around should be at minimum barred from public safety jobs for life, and much more reasonably be throw in jail for something akin to manslaughter. They should be shamed in public. I wouldn't just point to Uvalde though, I have the feeling that they probably aren't too much different than most PDs. Back to my point - if someone representing the government (hmm, say those Uvalde cops) comes to your door and attempts to cooerce, through force, a medical procedure on (or forcibly tries to stops a procedure to save the life of) a female member of your family, are you going to be happy you did your part in unilaterally disarming yourself? This scenario ain't too crazy, the way the winds are drifting lately. I would not be okay with that. But to each their own, I suppose. If the authorities come for that female member of your family, and you try to stop them with guns, you're both going to end up dead. Once again, did not answer the question. You’re probably right though! That’s a better option to me than living with the alternative, though. It’s a break glass in case of emergency thing for me, and something I’d recommend to anyone. If you’d be fine, that’s cool too. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 18:12:15 GMT -8
You're in a completely different conversation than what my original statement addressed, and you did not answer my question in this response. But to speak to the conversation you are having in this response - yes, the Uvalde cops are sacks of garbage and every day another story comes out that make them look worse. All involved in the thumbsupasses standing around should be at minimum barred from public safety jobs for life, and much more reasonably be throw in jail for something akin to manslaughter. They should be shamed in public. I wouldn't just point to Uvalde though, I have the feeling that they probably aren't too much different than most PDs. Back to my point - if someone representing the government (hmm, say those Uvalde cops) comes to your door and attempts to cooerce, through force, a medical procedure on (or forcibly tries to stops a procedure to save the life of) a female member of your family, are you going to be happy you did your part in unilaterally disarming yourself? This scenario ain't too crazy, the way the winds are drifting lately. I would not be okay with that. But to each their own, I suppose. This seems like a pretty big stretch and doesn't really address the root of the actual problem: School shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. Columbine put the idea into the national consciousness in 1999. Since then, over 300,000 kids have been affected by school violence. There's a massive difference between purchasing a gun for individual protection, whether it's a .22, a .38, whatever the case may be...and having an 18-year-old be able to purchase and access a weapon that has one functional purpose: To kill people. The NRA donates to a boatload of GOP campaigns and is the leading source of campaign dollars for a host of politicians. www.newsweek.com/republican-senators-nra-funding-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-1710332There is absolutely zero reason beyond apathy (and money) that universal background checks should not be expanded, magazine capacities should be limited and access to guns themselves should be harder to achieve. The reality is you're probably right....meaningful change in terms of legislation is nowhere close, because one side huffs and puffs.....and the other side just doesn't care. I’m not addressing school shootings in any of my psots, was just responding to the guy who brought it up out of nowhere. It’s a different issue then what I’m talking about. Agree that those policy changes should absolutely happen. My informed opinion is that meaningful gun law reform will not happen in the next decade, or probably longer. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 27, 2022 18:41:43 GMT -8
So, what? Just continue to sacrifice innocent victims by the thousands every year? Sounds like a bad plan to me... I personally believe there is such a thing as responsible gun owners, and I advocate left wing folks to become such. That is a position reflective of the current and likely future state of affairs, not based in idealism, optimism, or Utopianism. For instance, if you purchased a gun, I don’t think that would sacrifice (or endanger, even) a single innocent victim, ever. Do you? If I purchased a gun there is a much better chance that an innocent victim ends up getting hurt than if I don't get a gun. Owning a gun stops almost no crime, but often escalates crime to fatalities. And often it isn't the gun owner left alive. I would never own a gun or have one in my house. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 27, 2022 18:42:21 GMT -8
This seems like a pretty big stretch and doesn't really address the root of the actual problem: School shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. Columbine put the idea into the national consciousness in 1999. Since then, over 300,000 kids have been affected by school violence. There's a massive difference between purchasing a gun for individual protection, whether it's a .22, a .38, whatever the case may be...and having an 18-year-old be able to purchase and access a weapon that has one functional purpose: To kill people. The NRA donates to a boatload of GOP campaigns and is the leading source of campaign dollars for a host of politicians. www.newsweek.com/republican-senators-nra-funding-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-1710332There is absolutely zero reason beyond apathy (and money) that universal background checks should not be expanded, magazine capacities should be limited and access to guns themselves should be harder to achieve. The reality is you're probably right....meaningful change in terms of legislation is nowhere close, because one side huffs and puffs.....and the other side just doesn't care. I’m not addressing school shootings in any of my psots, was just responding to the guy who brought it up out of nowhere. It’s a different issue then what I’m talking about. Agree that those policy changes should absolutely happen. My informed opinion is that meaningful gun law reform will not happen in the next decade, or probably longer. School shootings are a byproduct of a lack of meaningful gun reform, which you addressed. It's a much more serious issue than the hypotheticals being floated. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 19:27:07 GMT -8
I personally believe there is such a thing as responsible gun owners, and I advocate left wing folks to become such. That is a position reflective of the current and likely future state of affairs, not based in idealism, optimism, or Utopianism. For instance, if you purchased a gun, I don’t think that would sacrifice (or endanger, even) a single innocent victim, ever. Do you? If I purchased a gun there is a much better chance that an innocent victim ends up getting hurt than if I don't get a gun. Owning a gun stops almost no crime, but often escalates crime to fatalities. And often it isn't the gun owner left alive. I would never own a gun or have one in my house. Then you should not own a gun and my advice does not apply to you. Easy peasy. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 19:31:37 GMT -8
I’m not addressing school shootings in any of my psots, was just responding to the guy who brought it up out of nowhere. It’s a different issue then what I’m talking about. Agree that those policy changes should absolutely happen. My informed opinion is that meaningful gun law reform will not happen in the next decade, or probably longer. School shootings are a byproduct of a lack of meaningful gun reform, which you addressed. It's a much more serious issue than the hypotheticals being floated. I agree. But there has not been any meaningful gun reform even proposed by any notable politician, that I’m aware of. Nothing within the Overton window is even close to meaningful enough to solve our uniquely American problem.. in my opinion. All for trying though. The gun nuts are psychos for the most part. I’m simply a radical leftist who sees the way this country is headed and would rather be caught with a weapon than without one. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 27, 2022 19:32:15 GMT -8
I personally believe there is such a thing as responsible gun owners, and I advocate left wing folks to become such. That is a position reflective of the current and likely future state of affairs, not based in idealism, optimism, or Utopianism. For instance, if you purchased a gun, I don’t think that would sacrifice (or endanger, even) a single innocent victim, ever. Do you? If I purchased a gun there is a much better chance that an innocent victim ends up getting hurt than if I don't get a gun. Owning a gun stops almost no crime, but often escalates crime to fatalities. And often it isn't the gun owner left alive. I would never own a gun or have one in my house. I understand that there's a good chance you'll never need to use your gun, but there's definitely a greater chance that you'll need to use a gun now, than ever before, unfortunately. It's crazy out there. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 27, 2022 21:19:25 GMT -8
School shootings are a byproduct of a lack of meaningful gun reform, which you addressed. It's a much more serious issue than the hypotheticals being floated. I agree. But there has not been any meaningful gun reform even proposed by any notable politician, that I’m aware of. Nothing within the Overton window is even close to meaningful enough to solve our uniquely American problem.. in my opinion. All for trying though. The gun nuts are psychos for the most part. I’m simply a radical leftist who sees the way this country is headed and would rather be caught with a weapon than without one. The recent bipartisan legislation that was put together is a start, but there's a long road to go, unfortunately. Unfathomable to see this as part of our national identity. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2022 6:45:08 GMT -8
If I purchased a gun there is a much better chance that an innocent victim ends up getting hurt than if I don't get a gun. Owning a gun stops almost no crime, but often escalates crime to fatalities. And often it isn't the gun owner left alive. I would never own a gun or have one in my house. I understand that there's a good chance you'll never need to use your gun, but there's definitely a greater chance that you'll need to use a gun now, than ever before, unfortunately. It's crazy out there. "Greater chance now" I dont know if that's true. NRA and far Right have been pushing this idea for 40 years. I've lost dear friends to cancer 4 times. I've lost 2 people close to me due to car accidents, including my Dad. I have been to close to 30 countries and traveled widely in the US. I have never once needed a gun. I know at least 150 people, probably more, and only 1 fired a weapon at someone rummaging through his garage...and was most likely unarmed. I grew up with a 22, and have fired modern killing machines..I dont need one. So, I'll worry about car accidents and cancer. Of course I worry about both my grand kids in vulnerable facilities to random armed nut balls. Paranoia and stock piling weapons...geez.. what could go wrong? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2022 10:07:33 GMT -8
I understand that there's a good chance you'll never need to use your gun, but there's definitely a greater chance that you'll need to use a gun now, than ever before, unfortunately. It's crazy out there. "Greater chance now" I dont know if that's true. NRA and far Right have been pushing this idea for 40 years. I've lost dear friends to cancer 4 times. I've lost 2 people close to me due to car accidents, including my Dad. I have been to close to 30 countries and traveled widely in the US. I have never once needed a gun. I know at least 150 people, probably more, and only 1 fired a weapon at someone rummaging through his garage...and was most likely unarmed. I grew up with a 22, and have fired modern killing machines..I dont need one. So, I'll worry about car accidents and cancer. Of course I worry about both my grand kids in vulnerable facilities to random armed nut balls. Paranoia and stock piling weapons...geez.. what could go wrong? Yes, I won't buy a gun because I do believe there's a greater chance that something bad could happen, than good and it will most likely be too late after all the time it took you to get the gun. Having said that, my best friend carries (he leans left) and I do seem to feel a little safer when I'm around him!!! We may differ a bit politically, not a lot, but we obviously get along great due to respecting each other's opinios. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2022 10:09:45 GMT -8
"Greater chance now" I dont know if that's true. NRA and far Right have been pushing this idea for 40 years. I've lost dear friends to cancer 4 times. I've lost 2 people close to me due to car accidents, including my Dad. I have been to close to 30 countries and traveled widely in the US. I have never once needed a gun. I know at least 150 people, probably more, and only 1 fired a weapon at someone rummaging through his garage...and was most likely unarmed. I grew up with a 22, and have fired modern killing machines..I dont need one. So, I'll worry about car accidents and cancer. Of course I worry about both my grand kids in vulnerable facilities to random armed nut balls. Paranoia and stock piling weapons...geez.. what could go wrong? Yes, I won't buy a gun because I do believe there's a greater chance that something bad could happen, than good and it will most likely be too late after all the time it took you to get the gun. Having said that, my best friend carries (he leans left) and I do seem to feel a little safer when I'm around him!!! We may differ a bit politically, not a lot, but we obviously get along great due to respecting each other's opinios. It takes ten days. That's not exactly a large window. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 28, 2022 10:40:49 GMT -8
"Greater chance now" I dont know if that's true. NRA and far Right have been pushing this idea for 40 years. I've lost dear friends to cancer 4 times. I've lost 2 people close to me due to car accidents, including my Dad. I have been to close to 30 countries and traveled widely in the US. I have never once needed a gun. I know at least 150 people, probably more, and only 1 fired a weapon at someone rummaging through his garage...and was most likely unarmed. I grew up with a 22, and have fired modern killing machines..I dont need one. So, I'll worry about car accidents and cancer. Of course I worry about both my grand kids in vulnerable facilities to random armed nut balls. Paranoia and stock piling weapons...geez.. what could go wrong? Yes, I won't buy a gun because I do believe there's a greater chance that something bad could happen, than good and it will most likely be too late after all the time it took you to get the gun. Having said that, my best friend carries (he leans left) and I do seem to feel a little safer when I'm around him!!! We may differ a bit politically, not a lot, but we obviously get along great due to respecting each other's opinios. My retired cop friend would bring his gym bag with 9mm in it to LA fitness and leave in locker. When we got forced outdoors due to Covid, he'd leave it right next to the basket..or on bench. Made me a little nervous ..and I wondered why he couldn't be without it..but guess its cause of what he did for a living for so long. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2022 12:45:57 GMT -8
Yes, I won't buy a gun because I do believe there's a greater chance that something bad could happen, than good and it will most likely be too late after all the time it took you to get the gun. Having said that, my best friend carries (he leans left) and I do seem to feel a little safer when I'm around him!!! We may differ a bit politically, not a lot, but we obviously get along great due to respecting each other's opinios. It takes ten days. That's not exactly a large window. I was talking about how long it would take me to reach for my gun from wherever I put it. Should have articulated it better. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 28, 2022 12:47:30 GMT -8
Yes, I won't buy a gun because I do believe there's a greater chance that something bad could happen, than good and it will most likely be too late after all the time it took you to get the gun. Having said that, my best friend carries (he leans left) and I do seem to feel a little safer when I'm around him!!! We may differ a bit politically, not a lot, but we obviously get along great due to respecting each other's opinios. My retired cop friend would bring his gym bag with 9mm in it to LA fitness and leave in locker. When we got forced outdoors due to Covid, he'd leave it right next to the basket..or on bench. Made me a little nervous ..and I wondered why he couldn't be without it..but guess its cause of what he did for a living for so long. Yeah, I think they (cops) feel the need to carry all the time, and will jump into duty at a moments notice. At least they're trained with it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 28, 2022 13:16:39 GMT -8
If you had election rigging on today's SCOTUS bingo card, you win.
Note: The Louisiana map was invalidated by the lower Court due to racial bias.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jun 28, 2022 15:42:22 GMT -8
SCOTUS more like SCROTUS!
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Post by sdsustoner on Jun 29, 2022 11:52:15 GMT -8
We need to scrap the SCOTUS
Treating everything the Founders created as infallible cornerstones is how we got here.
These were slave-owners who washed their penises twice a month and drank mercury to cure their syphilis
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Post by azteccc on Jun 29, 2022 12:32:26 GMT -8
These were slave-owners who washed their penises twice a month and drank mercury to cure their syphilis A+ prose. Anyone see ole Breyer put in his 24 hour notice? Two things here... 1) If Breyer at 83 years old realizes its time to hang up the robe, why do we continually allow elected officials DEEP into their 80s to stay in office? Theres not a company in America that would put even an 82 year old into a meaningful position, why on earth do we accept it for politicians? And 2) What are the odds the Dems hold off on replacing Breyer until after the midterms so they have a rallying cry? Between Roe, Uvalde, and Breyer, I think enough people might be tricked into voting for them again to make the election competitive, if nothing else. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Jun 29, 2022 18:42:17 GMT -8
These were slave-owners who washed their penises twice a month and drank mercury to cure their syphilis A+ prose. Anyone see ole Breyer put in his 24 hour notice? Two things here... 1) If Breyer at 83 years old realizes its time to hang up the robe, why do we continually allow elected officials DEEP into their 80s to stay in office? Theres not a company in America that would put even an 82 year old into a meaningful position, why on earth do we accept it for politicians? And 2) What are the odds the Dems hold off on replacing Breyer until after the midterms so they have a rallying cry? Between Roe, Uvalde, and Breyer, I think enough people might be tricked into voting for them again to make the election competitive, if nothing else. Thank you. Team Blue needs election fodder. They'll run on bodily autonomy like they have single-payer & infrastructure. Maybe years from now means test abortion down to people who operate a small business in urban areas for 3 years. If they lose, they can always blame voters who want healthcare & student loan forgiveness again |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 29, 2022 22:56:43 GMT -8
These were slave-owners who washed their penises twice a month and drank mercury to cure their syphilis A+ prose. Anyone see ole Breyer put in his 24 hour notice? Two things here... 1) If Breyer at 83 years old realizes its time to hang up the robe, why do we continually allow elected officials DEEP into their 80s to stay in office? Theres not a company in America that would put even an 82 year old into a meaningful position, why on earth do we accept it for politicians? And 2) What are the odds the Dems hold off on replacing Breyer until after the midterms so they have a rallying cry? Between Roe, Uvalde, and Breyer, I think enough people might be tricked into voting for them again to make the election competitive, if nothing else. He's already been replaced. |
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