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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 11:10:13 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 12:56:35 GMT -8
In my view, while it's an absolutely horrible situation, you still don't kill the child. There are alternatives. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 25, 2022 14:06:57 GMT -8
In my view, while it's an absolutely horrible situation, you still don't kill the child. There are alternatives. So the rape victim gets to relive that horrible experience in her mind for 9 months, then has to deal with it for the rest of her life after that. That seems like cruel and unusual punishment for the victim. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 14:36:24 GMT -8
In my view, while it's an absolutely horrible situation, you still don't kill the child. There are alternatives. So the rape victim gets to relive that horrible experience in her mind for 9 months, then has to deal with it for the rest of her life after that. That seems like cruel and unusual punishment for the victim. It depends on your beliefs, etc, and of course it's a horrible, unfathomable, situation. I had just heard a testimony from a Pastor who was the product of a rape situation as you just described, and he's sharing his testimony as we speak, and also before the ruling came down. He's turned out very well. I think if you're raped, you're going to never forget that forever, obviously, but if you also kill a child instead is giving it up for adoption, or raising it yourself, you have to live with that decision the rest of your life as well, especially if you change your view on it. Have second thoughts. Double whammy. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 14:54:49 GMT -8
So the rape victim gets to relive that horrible experience in her mind for 9 months, then has to deal with it for the rest of her life after that. That seems like cruel and unusual punishment for the victim. It depends on your beliefs, etc, and of course it's a horrible, unfathomable, situation. I had just heard a testimony from a Pastor who was the product of a rape situation as you just described, and he's sharing his testimony as we speak, and also before the ruling came down. He's turned out very well. I think if you're raped, you're going to never forget that forever, obviously, but if you also kill a child instead is giving it up for adoption, or raising it yourself, you have to live with that decision the rest of your life as well, especially if you change your view on it. Have second thoughts. Double whammy. Judaism defines life as starting at birth. The "beliefs" are the problem. We are not a nation of one belief. We don't need Christian nationalism to extend into every person's private life. Forcing a person who doesn't share your beliefs to accept them as fact, or treat them as law, is an egregious violation of the principles this country was founded on. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 25, 2022 15:11:04 GMT -8
It depends on your beliefs, etc, and of course it's a horrible, unfathomable, situation. I had just heard a testimony from a Pastor who was the product of a rape situation as you just described, and he's sharing his testimony as we speak, and also before the ruling came down. He's turned out very well. I think if you're raped, you're going to never forget that forever, obviously, but if you also kill a child instead is giving it up for adoption, or raising it yourself, you have to live with that decision the rest of your life as well, especially if you change your view on it. Have second thoughts. Double whammy. Judaism defines life as starting at birth. The "beliefs" are the problem. We are not a nation of one belief. We don't need Christian nationalism to extend into every person's private life. Forcing a person who doesn't share your beliefs to accept them as fact, or treat them as law, is an egregious violation of the principles this country was founded on. Exactly. It's a fact that a person isn't a person without a functining brain that is conscious and self aware. We pull the plug on people who are brain dead. Prior to having higher brain function a person is not really a person. Your brain is who you are. The beliefs of the minority should not be allowed to override the beliefs of the majority. That is the OPPOSITE of what this country was founded on. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 15:30:38 GMT -8
Judaism defines life as starting at birth. The "beliefs" are the problem. We are not a nation of one belief. We don't need Christian nationalism to extend into every person's private life. Forcing a person who doesn't share your beliefs to accept them as fact, or treat them as law, is an egregious violation of the principles this country was founded on. Exactly. It's a fact that a person isn't a person without a functining brain that is conscious and self aware. We pull the plug on people who are brain dead. Prior to having higher brain function a person is not really a person. Your brain is who you are. The beliefs of the minority should not be allowed to override the beliefs of the majority. That is the OPPOSITE of what this country was founded on. And this issue is so complex - Ectopic pregnancies, childbirth complications. Women will die at a higher rate now because the court has been infiltrated by religious extremism. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 15:46:31 GMT -8
It depends on your beliefs, etc, and of course it's a horrible, unfathomable, situation. I had just heard a testimony from a Pastor who was the product of a rape situation as you just described, and he's sharing his testimony as we speak, and also before the ruling came down. He's turned out very well. I think if you're raped, you're going to never forget that forever, obviously, but if you also kill a child instead is giving it up for adoption, or raising it yourself, you have to live with that decision the rest of your life as well, especially if you change your view on it. Have second thoughts. Double whammy. Judaism defines life as starting at birth. The "beliefs" are the problem. We are not a nation of one belief. We don't need Christian nationalism to extend into every person's private life. Forcing a person who doesn't share your beliefs to accept them as fact, or treat them as law, is an egregious violation of the principles this country was founded on. For a good portion of time, abortion was illegal in this country. I'm simply giving you my view on it, and like I said before, to me it doesn't matter whether there's a law in place to allow, or disallow abortion, since I believe Jesus gave us the free will to make our own choices, but you have to answer to him when you meet him. I don't believe in abortion, but we should have choices, but I could never condone a law that says it's ok to abort a baby at ANY STAGE. But, it's the individuals choice. When a person becomes impregnated, that is the start of life in my view. There obviously has to be a start. That's where I stand. That's my personal beliefs. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 15:50:01 GMT -8
Judaism defines life as starting at birth. The "beliefs" are the problem. We are not a nation of one belief. We don't need Christian nationalism to extend into every person's private life. Forcing a person who doesn't share your beliefs to accept them as fact, or treat them as law, is an egregious violation of the principles this country was founded on. Exactly. It's a fact that a person isn't a person without a functining brain that is conscious and self aware. We pull the plug on people who are brain dead. Prior to having higher brain function a person is not really a person. Your brain is who you are. The beliefs of the minority should not be allowed to override the beliefs of the majority. That is the OPPOSITE of what this country was founded on. So, you do know that there has to be a beginning of a potential life phase, right? Again, I'm all for giving people choices since you'll have to answer for them when you die anyway, but for me, it falls under the law that you cannot commit murder. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 16:05:13 GMT -8
Judaism defines life as starting at birth. The "beliefs" are the problem. We are not a nation of one belief. We don't need Christian nationalism to extend into every person's private life. Forcing a person who doesn't share your beliefs to accept them as fact, or treat them as law, is an egregious violation of the principles this country was founded on. For a good portion of time, abortion was illegal in this country. I'm simply giving you my view on it, and like I said before, to me it doesn't matter whether there's a law in place to allow, or disallow abortion, since I believe Jesus gave us the free will to make our own choices, but you have to answer to him when you meet him. I don't believe in abortion, but we should have choices, but I could never condone a law that says it's ok to abort a baby at ANY STAGE. But, it's the individuals choice. When a person becomes impregnated, that is the start of life in my view. There obviously has to be a start. That's where I stand. That's my personal beliefs. And now you have to condone a ruling that will expose women to death or prison sentences because their personal freedoms have been eradicated. You can't be pro-choice and pro-life. They are opposite ends of a crooked spectrum. This isn't about Jesus, it's about science, statistics and principle. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 25, 2022 16:23:52 GMT -8
Exactly. It's a fact that a person isn't a person without a functining brain that is conscious and self aware. We pull the plug on people who are brain dead. Prior to having higher brain function a person is not really a person. Your brain is who you are. The beliefs of the minority should not be allowed to override the beliefs of the majority. That is the OPPOSITE of what this country was founded on. So, you do know that there has to be a beginning of a potential life phase, right? Again, I'm all for giving people choices since you'll have to answer for them when you die anyway, but for me, it falls under the law that you cannot commit murder. No, you won't have to answer for anything when you die. That's a primitive superstition. A myth. And by your logic we have to keep people alive after they're brain dead. I don't share that view. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 16:54:44 GMT -8
For a good portion of time, abortion was illegal in this country. I'm simply giving you my view on it, and like I said before, to me it doesn't matter whether there's a law in place to allow, or disallow abortion, since I believe Jesus gave us the free will to make our own choices, but you have to answer to him when you meet him. I don't believe in abortion, but we should have choices, but I could never condone a law that says it's ok to abort a baby at ANY STAGE. But, it's the individuals choice. When a person becomes impregnated, that is the start of life in my view. There obviously has to be a start. That's where I stand. That's my personal beliefs. And now you have to condone a ruling that will expose women to death or prison sentences because their personal freedoms have been eradicated. You can't be pro-choice and pro-life. They are opposite ends of a crooked spectrum. This isn't about Jesus, it's about science, statistics and principle. So, ending a life that can't make a decision on his, or her own is ok? Sorry, but it's ALL about Jesus for Christians. For me, it falls under the murder law. No Christian would believe otherwise, or shouldn't. Like I said, let people have the choice to abort, or not. Go ahead, keep the Roe v. Wade law, since it'll be dealt with when you come face to face with Jesus anyway, unless you ask for forgiveness, etc.... That's my beliefs. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 25, 2022 16:56:06 GMT -8
Not comparing it *to* Roe v. Wade, it's an extension of the new kangaroo court's ideological shift. Taxpayer dollars should not go to funding religious education. It's now unconstitutional NOT to do that. We have decades (or centuries?) of historical precedent. This is just another decision that the court will render in a series of them that will restructure virtually everything. They'll roll back same-sex rights soon enough. Perhaps they will do that to same-sex rights. It will likely be short-lived, as will the rollback of Roe v. Wade. I would bet that the process by which Supreme Court justices are elected, as well as the number of Supreme Court justices on the bench, will change within the next year. Remember, Democrats are completely in control of both so long as every Democrat + Harris sign off on it. Democrats can change the Senate rules to get rid of the filibuster. Biden can change the number of Supreme Court justices, and the Senate confirms them. Neither is a part of the Constitution. I mean, you really don't think that Democrats will stand by idly when they control the House, the Senate, and the White House, and that much Supreme Court case law has been overturned by a court that was rigged by a Republican Senate who wouldn't approve Obama's nomination? If Democrats don't at least try to take those steps, they will end up looking rather pathetic... Theatrical opposition party comprised of convictionless, spineless moderates |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 16:57:28 GMT -8
So, you do know that there has to be a beginning of a potential life phase, right? Again, I'm all for giving people choices since you'll have to answer for them when you die anyway, but for me, it falls under the law that you cannot commit murder. No, you won't have to answer for anything when you die. That's a primitive superstition. A myth. And by your logic we have to keep people alive after they're brain dead. I don't share that view. That's YOUR belief and your entitled to it, just as I'm entitled my belief. I'm my belief, there's only one judge and jury, and that's Jesus. There's been plenty of cases where people have survived, and led a good life after being declared brain dead. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 17:00:36 GMT -8
Perhaps they will do that to same-sex rights. It will likely be short-lived, as will the rollback of Roe v. Wade. I would bet that the process by which Supreme Court justices are elected, as well as the number of Supreme Court justices on the bench, will change within the next year. Remember, Democrats are completely in control of both so long as every Democrat + Harris sign off on it. Democrats can change the Senate rules to get rid of the filibuster. Biden can change the number of Supreme Court justices, and the Senate confirms them. Neither is a part of the Constitution. I mean, you really don't think that Democrats will stand by idly when they control the House, the Senate, and the White House, and that much Supreme Court case law has been overturned by a court that was rigged by a Republican Senate who wouldn't approve Obama's nomination? If Democrats don't at least try to take those steps, they will end up looking rather pathetic... Theatrical opposition party comprised of convictionless, spineless moderates All about the grift. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 17:05:24 GMT -8
No, you won't have to answer for anything when you die. That's a primitive superstition. A myth. And by your logic we have to keep people alive after they're brain dead. I don't share that view. That's YOUR belief and your entitled to it, just as I'm entitled my belief. I'm my belief, there's only one judge and jury, and that's Jesus. There's been plenty of cases where people have survived, and led a good life after being declared brain dead. There have been? Where? |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 25, 2022 17:05:44 GMT -8
Gun rights expanded. Women's rights contracted. So, make sure those kids are born, but once they're born they're on their own - and if they become target practice for some nutjob with a gun, well, Thoughts and Prayers. It's much worse than that, unfortunately. Just the tip of the iceberg. Amy Coney Barrett was installed for one reason, and you're seeing it now. Why was Clarence Thomas installed www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/politics/joe-biden-anita-hill.htmlIn a lengthy telephone interview on Wednesday, she declined to characterize Mr. Biden’s words to her as an apology and said she was not convinced that he has taken full responsibility for his conduct at the hearings — or for the harm he caused other victims of sexual harassment and gender violence. She said she views Mr. Biden as having “set the stage” for last year’s confirmation of Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh, who, like Justice Thomas, was elevated to the court despite accusations against him that he had acted inappropriately toward women. And, she added, she was troubled by the recent accounts of women who say Mr. Biden touched them in ways that made them feel uncomfortable. In recent interviews, Ms. Hill and others involved in the confirmation fight portrayed Mr. Biden’s handling of the hearing as at best inept and at worst deeply insensitive. They fault his refusal to seriously investigate her accusations and take public testimony from other potential witnesses who said the future justice had acted inappropriately with them. Justice Thomas has denied any inappropriate behavior. Ms. Wright, Ms. Hartnett and one other woman, Rose Jourdain, who died in 2010, were ready to back up Ms. Hill’s account before the committee, but Mr. Biden ended the hearings before they were heard from in public. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 17:18:55 GMT -8
That's YOUR belief and your entitled to it, just as I'm entitled my belief. I'm my belief, there's only one judge and jury, and that's Jesus. There's been plenty of cases where people have survived, and led a good life after being declared brain dead. There have been? Where? I'll have to retract that, as I misspoke. I was trying to say that there's been plenty of people who were told that they weren't going to survive, or would be in a vegetative state that went on to lead a very productive life. As far as someone being declared brain dead, it's not reversible, and you can't recover from it. I, personally, would still have my loved one die naturally, but that is something I want to consult the Bible, and my Pastor with, before making that decision. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 17:33:12 GMT -8
I'll have to retract that, as I misspoke. I was trying to say that there's been plenty of people who were told that they weren't going to survive, or would be in a vegetative state that went on to lead a very productive life. As far as someone being declared brain dead, it's not reversible, and you can't recover from it. I, personally, would still have my loved one die naturally, but that is something I want to consult the Bible, and my Pastor with, before making that decision. Having had to make this choice myself, I can speak on it. Quality of life matters, which is why I made the choice. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 25, 2022 17:36:31 GMT -8
As far as someone being declared brain dead, it's not reversible, and you can't recover from it. I, personally, would still have my loved one die naturally, but that is something I want to consult the Bible, and my Pastor with, before making that decision. Interesting. "Naturally" sounds a lot to me like not hooking someone up to a marvel of modern medicine that's only been around for about 5% of the time lapsed since jesus died. Life on a ventilator is natural, but that same modern medicine that created a pill to block the effects of the hormone progesterone, or a synthetic eicosanoid found in every cell in the body, is unnatural? Quite the moving target. |
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