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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 17:41:39 GMT -8
Just one consequence of this ruling.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 17:46:24 GMT -8
I'll have to retract that, as I misspoke. I was trying to say that there's been plenty of people who were told that they weren't going to survive, or would be in a vegetative state that went on to lead a very productive life. As far as someone being declared brain dead, it's not reversible, and you can't recover from it. I, personally, would still have my loved one die naturally, but that is something I want to consult the Bible, and my Pastor with, before making that decision. Having had to make this choice myself, I can speak on it. Quality of life matters, which is why I made the choice. I'm sorry you had to make this choice. Again, we should have the freedom of choice in certain instances. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 17:47:35 GMT -8
As far as someone being declared brain dead, it's not reversible, and you can't recover from it. I, personally, would still have my loved one die naturally, but that is something I want to consult the Bible, and my Pastor with, before making that decision. Interesting. "Naturally" sounds a lot to me like not hooking someone up to a marvel of modern medicine that's only been around for about 5% of the time lapsed since jesus died. Life on a ventilator is natural, but that same modern medicine that created a pill to block the effects of the hormone progesterone, or a synthetic eicosanoid found in every cell in the body, is unnatural? Quite the moving target. A ventilator is not a natural process, to be explicitly clear. When my dad had a heart attack and went into a coma, we were offered the choice of round the clock kidney dialysis for the rest of his life and 50-50 chances of survival, or removing him from life support entirely. The vent, by definition, is an artificial process to extend someone's life. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 17:50:05 GMT -8
Having had to make this choice myself, I can speak on it. Quality of life matters, which is why I made the choice. I'm sorry you had to make this choice. Again, we should have the freedom of choice in certain instances. I made the choice because the circumstances prevented a quality standard of care and a level of "life" that wasn't possible. There's nothing natural about being hooked up to machines to extend someone's longevity. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 25, 2022 17:54:37 GMT -8
I'm sorry you had to make this choice. Again, we should have the freedom of choice in certain instances. I made the choice because the circumstances prevented a quality standard of care and a level of "life" that wasn't possible. There's nothing natural about being hooked up to machines to extend someone's longevity. I see your point of view. It also states that being brain dead is basically fully dead. You can't come back from it. So, I get it. I believe I personally would consult with my Pastor on this decision, and try to find Bible verses on it. I'm not pretending to have the answer on this one. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2022 21:01:14 GMT -8
I made the choice because the circumstances prevented a quality standard of care and a level of "life" that wasn't possible. There's nothing natural about being hooked up to machines to extend someone's longevity. I see your point of view. It also states that being brain dead is basically fully dead. You can't come back from it. So, I get it. I believe I personally would consult with my Pastor on this decision, and try to find Bible verses on it. I'm not pretending to have the answer on this one. Brain dead means there is zero brain stem activity, which regulates all your bodily functions and provides oxygen to your vital orgins. A coma, or a vegetative stance, is a different set of circumstances entirely. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 25, 2022 22:50:04 GMT -8
For a good portion of time, abortion was illegal in this country. I'm simply giving you my view on it, and like I said before, to me it doesn't matter whether there's a law in place to allow, or disallow abortion, since I believe Jesus gave us the free will to make our own choices, but you have to answer to him when you meet him. I don't believe in abortion, but we should have choices, but I could never condone a law that says it's ok to abort a baby at ANY STAGE. But, it's the individuals choice. When a person becomes impregnated, that is the start of life in my view. There obviously has to be a start. That's where I stand. That's my personal beliefs. And now you have to condone a ruling that will expose women to death or prison sentences because their personal freedoms have been eradicated. You can't be pro-choice and pro-life. They are opposite ends of a crooked spectrum. This isn't about Jesus, it's about science, statistics and principle. No, he's saying there is nuance in his position - nuance, to say (for example, because I don't know your exact stance John) that he is not okay with aborting babies that are viable. Ie. in such a position, if a woman wanted an abortion but the baby was viable, they would have to instead do forced induction to deliver the baby (and presumably give it up for adoption). I mean that's my position fwiw. Abortion is okay pre-viability (for any reason), but have to do forced induction + adoption if the baby is viable. The way I see it, our body is made up of a variety of different organs, bacteria, bones and various structures. But if you remove someone's leg, it is not viable on its own. Similarly, I see a baby that is before viability as an attachment to the mother that is housing them. They are not yet an individual, a person, because they cannot exist without that individual AND they are still contained within that person. If they can be removed from the mother and survive then they have individuality, or personhood - and their personhood rights are protected constitutionally. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 25, 2022 23:03:08 GMT -8
Theatrical opposition party comprised of convictionless, spineless moderates All about the grift. Entirely possible that they do little or none, or use this supreme court to build a war chest of campaign donations. But if nothing is done you have to think that Americans are going to start asking for structural solutions to these problems. Whether that means a change in the number of Supreme Court justices, a change in how they are brought into office (or exit office with term limits), or a change in how they are approved, I have no idea. I also think that people in California need to start demanding change in the composition of the Senate, loudly. 44 Senators from the 22 least populous states represent the same sized (40 million) population as the two senators that represent the state of California. If the Senate can have 'virtual filibusters', I would like to 'virtually' split California into 8 states. Maybe some type of law that allows states with populations of 10 million or more to split themselves into 'virtual states' with a minimum size of 5 million people per virtual state. That would still give small states more representation on a per capita basis then they have in the House, while giving states like California what they deserve - more of a voice in our country's legislature. After all, the idea of actually splitting California into multiple states is not a new idea - it's been attempted before in CA. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 27, 2022 6:52:57 GMT -8
The road to a theocratic state continues.
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Post by germanaztec on Jun 27, 2022 7:19:27 GMT -8
The road to a theocratic state continues. Would have been interesting when this would have been a Muslim praying … |
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Post by germanaztec on Jun 27, 2022 9:37:08 GMT -8
… or would starting to kneel at the end of the game. That would be something. Oh wait. Nevermind.
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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 10:17:43 GMT -8
Also, for my money, liberals should really start to realize gun control is decades or more away from becoming a reality in this country, and as of now anyway, left wingers are still able to purchase the same guns the right wingers can. Unilateral disarmament is a poor strategy. -- www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2014/10/23/the-real-problem-with-joni-ernsts-quote-about-guns-and-the-government/Joni Ernst, the Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Iowa, said during an NRA event:... “I have a beautiful little Smith & Wesson, 9 millimeter, and it goes with me virtually everywhere. But I do believe in the right to carry, and I believe in the right to defend myself and my family — whether it’s from an intruder, or whether it’s from the government, should they decide that my rights are no longer important.” www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-palin-dont-retreat-reload-stand-tall_n_816260Sarah Palin Standing Tall On 'Don't Retreat, Reload,' "The governor actually did use the phrase 'Don't retreat, reload,'" Palin aide Rebecca Mansour told Politico in an email. www.reformaustin.org/elections/gohmert-endorses-second-amendment-solutions-at-arizona-event/Gohmert Endorses “Second Amendment Solutions” at Arizona Event When another man asked Gohmert if the time had come for a “Second Amendment solution,” Gohmert nodded his head and said, “yeah.” voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/sharron_angle_floated_possibil.htmlAsked by the host... where she stands on Second Amendment issues, [Sharron] Angle replied: "You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years. I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around?" |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 27, 2022 14:59:23 GMT -8
Also, for my money, liberals should really start to realize gun control is decades or more away from becoming a reality in this country, and as of now anyway, left wingers are still able to purchase the same guns the right wingers can. And that protects kids at school and workers in the workplace, how? |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 15:06:05 GMT -8
Also, for my money, liberals should really start to realize gun control is decades or more away from becoming a reality in this country, and as of now anyway, left wingers are still able to purchase the same guns the right wingers can. And that protects kids at school and workers in the workplace, how? It doesn’t. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 27, 2022 15:15:05 GMT -8
And that protects kids at school and workers in the workplace, how? It doesn’t. So, what? Just continue to sacrifice innocent victims by the thousands every year? Sounds like a bad plan to me... |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 15:19:32 GMT -8
So, what? Just continue to sacrifice innocent victims by the thousands every year? Sounds like a bad plan to me... I personally believe there is such a thing as responsible gun owners, and I advocate left wing folks to become such. That is a position reflective of the current and likely future state of affairs, not based in idealism, optimism, or Utopianism. For instance, if you purchased a gun, I don’t think that would sacrifice (or endanger, even) a single innocent victim, ever. Do you? |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 27, 2022 15:30:18 GMT -8
So, what? Just continue to sacrifice innocent victims by the thousands every year? Sounds like a bad plan to me... I personally believe there is such a thing as responsible gun owners, and I advocate left wing folks to become such. That is a position reflective of the current and likely future state of affairs, not based in idealism, optimism, or Utopianism. For instance, if you purchased a gun, I don’t think that would sacrifice (or endanger, even) a single innocent victim, ever. Do you? The kid in Uvalde bought a f****** assualt rifle and went and immediately killed 19 kids and 2 teachers. He was better armed than the police. That's not acceptable. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 27, 2022 15:57:20 GMT -8
I personally believe there is such a thing as responsible gun owners, and I advocate left wing folks to become such. That is a position reflective of the current and likely future state of affairs, not based in idealism, optimism, or Utopianism. For instance, if you purchased a gun, I don’t think that would sacrifice (or endanger, even) a single innocent victim, ever. Do you? The kid in Uvalde bought a f****** assualt rifle and went and immediately killed 19 kids and 2 teachers. He was better armed than the police. That's not acceptable. You're in a completely different conversation than what my original statement addressed, and you did not answer my question in this response. But to speak to the conversation you are having in this response - yes, the Uvalde cops are sacks of garbage and every day another story comes out that make them look worse. All involved in the thumbsupasses standing around should be at minimum barred from public safety jobs for life, and much more reasonably be throw in jail for something akin to manslaughter. They should be shamed in public. I wouldn't just point to Uvalde though, I have the feeling that they probably aren't too much different than most PDs. Back to my point - if someone representing the government (hmm, say those Uvalde cops) comes to your door and attempts to cooerce, through force, a medical procedure on (or forcibly tries to stops a procedure to save the life of) a female member of your family, are you going to be happy you did your part in unilaterally disarming yourself? This scenario ain't too crazy, the way the winds are drifting lately. I would not be okay with that. But to each their own, I suppose. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 27, 2022 16:19:43 GMT -8
The kid in Uvalde bought a f****** assualt rifle and went and immediately killed 19 kids and 2 teachers. He was better armed than the police. That's not acceptable. You're in a completely different conversation than what my original statement addressed, and you did not answer my question in this response. But to speak to the conversation you are having in this response - yes, the Uvalde cops are sacks of garbage and every day another story comes out that make them look worse. All involved in the thumbsupasses standing around should be at minimum barred from public safety jobs for life, and much more reasonably be throw in jail for something akin to manslaughter. They should be shamed in public. I wouldn't just point to Uvalde though, I have the feeling that they probably aren't too much different than most PDs. Back to my point - if someone representing the government (hmm, say those Uvalde cops) comes to your door and attempts to cooerce, through force, a medical procedure on (or forcibly tries to stops a procedure to save the life of) a female member of your family, are you going to be happy you did your part in unilaterally disarming yourself? This scenario ain't too crazy, the way the winds are drifting lately. I would not be okay with that. But to each their own, I suppose. This seems like a pretty big stretch and doesn't really address the root of the actual problem: School shootings are a relatively new phenomenon. Columbine put the idea into the national consciousness in 1999. Since then, over 300,000 kids have been affected by school violence. There's a massive difference between purchasing a gun for individual protection, whether it's a .22, a .38, whatever the case may be...and having an 18-year-old be able to purchase and access a weapon that has one functional purpose: To kill people. The NRA donates to a boatload of GOP campaigns and is the leading source of campaign dollars for a host of politicians. www.newsweek.com/republican-senators-nra-funding-texas-school-shooting-uvalde-1710332There is absolutely zero reason beyond apathy (and money) that universal background checks should not be expanded, magazine capacities should be limited and access to guns themselves should be harder to achieve. The reality is you're probably right....meaningful change in terms of legislation is nowhere close, because one side huffs and puffs.....and the other side just doesn't care. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jun 27, 2022 16:42:27 GMT -8
The kid in Uvalde bought a f****** assualt rifle and went and immediately killed 19 kids and 2 teachers. He was better armed than the police. That's not acceptable. You're in a completely different conversation than what my original statement addressed, and you did not answer my question in this response. But to speak to the conversation you are having in this response - yes, the Uvalde cops are sacks of garbage and every day another story comes out that make them look worse. All involved in the thumbsupasses standing around should be at minimum barred from public safety jobs for life, and much more reasonably be throw in jail for something akin to manslaughter. They should be shamed in public. I wouldn't just point to Uvalde though, I have the feeling that they probably aren't too much different than most PDs. Back to my point - if someone representing the government (hmm, say those Uvalde cops) comes to your door and attempts to cooerce, through force, a medical procedure on (or forcibly tries to stops a procedure to save the life of) a female member of your family, are you going to be happy you did your part in unilaterally disarming yourself? This scenario ain't too crazy, the way the winds are drifting lately. I would not be okay with that. But to each their own, I suppose. If the authorities come for that female member of your family, and you try to stop them with guns, you're both going to end up dead. |
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