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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Sept 15, 2021 19:05:02 GMT -8
I mentioned the other day the Big12 would be smart to add those 4. While UNLV sucks at football they are in a good untapped market, have the bball history and the new nfl stadium. Also even though Boise St. is a good football program they are only a good addition for as long as they are good at football. So for me they would be the school I'd be most hesitant on but there really isn't a better option out west (maybe FresnoSt?) and imo you gotta have at least group of 4.
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Sept 15, 2021 19:42:05 GMT -8
I am not sure I see a reason for the Big 12 to make a move like this - Other than to knee-cap the MWC just as thoroughly as they have already done to the AAC.
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 15, 2021 19:47:58 GMT -8
I am not sure I see a reason for the Big 12 to make a move like this - Other than to knee-cap the MWC just as thoroughly as they have already done to the AAC. If the rumors of the pack 12 adding houston and tcu then it makes a ton of sense. or to get to 16 teams to max out the deal in 2025. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Sept 15, 2021 22:06:47 GMT -8
UNLV is close to where SDSU was under Chuck Long. A good coach or an infusion of interest from a better conference could be just what the doctor ordered for the Rebels.
The Aztecs would explode into national semi relevance……a bit like TCU in the 2000’s.
This would be devastating for the MWC, who would be forced to pillage the Sun Belt or MAC.
Fresno could also sneak in there in place of UNLV, they have some football tradition, legions of fans and are on par with UNLV in hoops right now.
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Post by mauiwowie on Sept 15, 2021 22:08:10 GMT -8
I am not sure I see a reason for the Big 12 to make a move like this - Other than to knee-cap the MWC just as thoroughly as they have already done to the AAC. If the rumors of the pack 12 adding houston and tcu then it makes a ton of sense. or to get to 16 teams to max out the deal in 2025. Given the political climate in Texas, I can’t see the Governors of WA, OR,& CA allowing their public institutions to invite any school from there. AZ,ASU, USC, and maybe Stanford aren’t enough support. |
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Post by jp92grad on Sept 15, 2021 22:37:00 GMT -8
The thing no one talks about is that if by some strange reason the Pac said to h e l l with everyone else and said we are going to own the western United States and added SDSU, UNLV, Boise and UNR (shocker).
1) SDSU would give them all of Southern Ca. and really wake up San Diego who has no NFL or NBA teams, PAC would really get fans going to games and following them on tv MUCH more(A Lot More!) then what is seen these days. The people of this town have shown in the past to support things that are winning fun and entertaining turning out with Serious numbers.
2) Boise is Boise people like the story (don't know why), would be nice addition with UW, WSU, OU, OSU and U of U also nice fit with UNR
3) UNLV huge upside with with serious growth to be had, maybe the the Pac tutelage and guidance over seeing program to keep noses clean could help along with $$$ (you know their boosters would be jumping on).
4) UNR would give them all of Nevada, they are a serious up and coming academic program with serious growth right around the corner and student enrollment in climbing fast just like Reno (say what u want about the place but it is GROWING fast!)
After all these additions the PAC-16 would then need to work on the conference as a whole and see about what it will take to get back to being competitive with the other conferences.
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 15, 2021 22:40:57 GMT -8
If the rumors of the pack 12 adding houston and tcu then it makes a ton of sense. or to get to 16 teams to max out the deal in 2025. Given the political climate in Texas, I can’t see the Governors of WA, OR,& CA allowing their public institutions to invite any school from there. AZ,ASU, USC, and maybe Stanford aren’t enough support. never doubt the power of money. one thing all politicians have in common is their love of money. its transcends poltiical differences. |
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Post by pbnative on Sept 16, 2021 3:51:11 GMT -8
I am not sure I see a reason for the Big 12 to make a move like this - Other than to knee-cap the MWC just as thoroughly as they have already done to the AAC. If the rumors of the pack 12 adding houston and tcu then it makes a ton of sense. or to get to 16 teams to max out the deal in 2025. I have a easier time seeing UTAH and the AZ schools, probably Colorado jumping to the Big XII. The PAC 12 isn't all that great of a conference itself and the TV deal is horrible on a P5 level. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 16, 2021 4:56:01 GMT -8
Without Oklahoma and Texas, the value of the Big12 media rights will drop significantly while the Pac12's new commissioner seems pretty savvy and is likely to correct past mistakes in their new deal set to come in 2023 or 2024 (I think). Schools would be VERY foolish to leave the Pac12 for the Big12.
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Post by longtimebooster on Sept 16, 2021 5:15:23 GMT -8
Without Oklahoma and Texas, the value of the Big12 media rights will drop significantly while the Pac12's new commissioner seems pretty savvy and is likely to correct past mistakes in their new deal set to come in 2023 or 2024 (I think). Schools would be VERY foolish to leave the Pac12 for the Big12. Completely agree. Which is why you don't see the P12 freaking out doing crazy stuff right now. |
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Post by pbnative on Sept 16, 2021 6:01:15 GMT -8
Without Oklahoma and Texas, the value of the Big12 media rights will drop significantly while the Pac12's new commissioner seems pretty savvy and is likely to correct past mistakes in their new deal set to come in 2023 or 2024 (I think). Schools would be VERY foolish to leave the Pac12 for the Big12. Completely agree. Which is why you don't see the P12 freaking out doing crazy stuff right now. It will come down to ESPN and who is involved in the Pac 12 chooses to negotiate with for the new media rights deal. (i.e. If an alternative outlet with deep pockets gets involved like Amazon) Disney is already set to take over Hulu in a year or two. If the Pac negotiates with anyone other than ESPN, I can see ESPN giving the Big XII a generous package to go after some Pac schools. |
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Post by hoobs on Sept 16, 2021 8:37:03 GMT -8
Completely agree. Which is why you don't see the P12 freaking out doing crazy stuff right now. It will come down to ESPN and who is involved in the Pac 12 chooses to negotiate with for the new media rights deal. (i.e. If an alternative outlet with deep pockets gets involved like Amazon) Disney is already set to take over Hulu in a year or two. If the Pac negotiates with anyone other than ESPN, I can see ESPN giving the Big XII a generous package to go after some Pac schools. Good & interesting point... but I think the Big12 loses soooooo much value from the departure of Oklahoma & Texas, I don't think there are any Pac12 schools that would replace that value. I think the post-OK / TX departure Big12 media deal could decrease by as much as 50% (which would still be a TON more than we're getting in the MW, but put them well below what the Pac12 deal will be). |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 16, 2021 8:53:33 GMT -8
Obviously Memphis and Boise State would be the next two. I think SDSU is a no brainer. I also think UNLV could turn things around. You can’t do more eastern schools. You need to grow the western front and JNLV has more long term potential than Colorado State. I don't agree that this is "obvious". This isn't going to happen for the next 4 years, and if Boise's football program fades at all they don't bring much else to the equation. Memphis isn't all that valuable either in the big scheme (basketball doesn't carry much weight), and would come down to how strongly they want to move out west (4 or 5 teams, including BYU)? |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 16, 2021 8:57:10 GMT -8
If the rumors of the pack 12 adding houston and tcu then it makes a ton of sense. or to get to 16 teams to max out the deal in 2025. The PAC 12 isn't all that great of a conference itself and the TV deal is horrible on a P5 level. Only if the new P12 commish comes in & screws with the conference payouts, such as going back to the old model where USC & UCLA got a much larger chunk of the pie. I don't see that happening, so there's no chance someone would leave what is expected to be a $35M+ payout for a conference, without UT & Okie, that's expected to be closer to $10-$15M. |
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Post by sdcoug on Sept 16, 2021 8:58:26 GMT -8
The thing no one talks about is that if by some strange reason the Pac said to h e l l with everyone else and said we are going to own the western United States and added SDSU, UNLV, Boise and UNR (shocker). 1) SDSU would give them all of Southern Ca. and really wake up San Diego who has no NFL or NBA teams, PAC would really get fans going to games and following them on tv MUCH more(A Lot More!) then what is seen these days. The people of this town have shown in the past to support things that are winning fun and entertaining turning out with Serious numbers. 2) Boise is Boise people like the story (don't know why), would be nice addition with UW, WSU, OU, OSU and U of U also nice fit with UNR 3) UNLV huge upside with with serious growth to be had, maybe the the Pac tutelage and guidance over seeing program to keep noses clean could help along with $$$ (you know their boosters would be jumping on). 4) UNR would give them all of Nevada, they are a serious up and coming academic program with serious growth right around the corner and student enrollment in climbing fast just like Reno (say what u want about the place but it is GROWING fast!) After all these additions the PAC-16 would then need to work on the conference as a whole and see about what it will take to get back to being competitive with the other conferences. If the P12 did expand, ZERO chance Boise gets an invite. There is no way the presidents would align themselves academically with Boise. |
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Post by fowl on Sept 16, 2021 22:34:29 GMT -8
It will come down to ESPN and who is involved in the Pac 12 chooses to negotiate with for the new media rights deal. (i.e. If an alternative outlet with deep pockets gets involved like Amazon) Disney is already set to take over Hulu in a year or two. If the Pac negotiates with anyone other than ESPN, I can see ESPN giving the Big XII a generous package to go after some Pac schools. Good & interesting point... but I think the Big12 loses soooooo much value from the departure of Oklahoma & Texas, I don't think there are any Pac12 schools that would replace that value. I think the post-OK / TX departure Big12 media deal could decrease by as much as 50% (which would still be a TON more than we're getting in the MW, but put them well below what the Pac12 deal will be). Don’t know the validity of this but there are public reports that say given the additions to the big 12 that the media contract only declines by 25% and some say less than that. Granted there are two more straws in the drink but I don’t think it declines by 50% at all. |
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Post by fowl on Sept 16, 2021 22:51:42 GMT -8
Obviously Memphis and Boise State would be the next two. I think SDSU is a no brainer. I also think UNLV could turn things around. You can’t do more eastern schools. You need to grow the western front and JNLV has more long term potential than Colorado State. I don't agree that this is "obvious". This isn't going to happen for the next 4 years, and if Boise's football program fades at all they don't bring much else to the equation. Memphis isn't all that valuable either in the big scheme (basketball doesn't carry much weight), and would come down to how strongly they want to move out west (4 or 5 teams, including BYU)? If one is to believe media reports, Boise and Memphis are next on deck. Hocutt said the #1 thing in big 12 expansion was football success and following. Both Memphis and Boise have been to NY 6 bowl games. SDSU has not. Both have better tv ratings than SDSU. No where have I seen SDSU listed before Boise. This goes back to what I said previously that we should root against Boise every game and you thought we should root for them. I think that is ridiculously idiotic. Why in the hell would we root for a school we are competing against to advance to the next level when the gatekeeper has explicitly stated that football success is the #1 criterion. It’s just beyond comprehension to me. |
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Post by chris92065 on Sept 16, 2021 23:28:47 GMT -8
I stil think usc and oregon are prime candidate for the big ten. They are now clearly second place behind the sec. They will want to do somerhing to counteract tex and okie leaving for the sec.
"The alliance" means nothing.
I think the elites of the pac 12 would seriosuly comsider moving to the big ten.
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Post by McQuervo on Sept 17, 2021 4:52:24 GMT -8
The thing no one talks about is that if by some strange reason the Pac said to h e l l with everyone else and said we are going to own the western United States and added SDSU, UNLV, Boise and UNR (shocker). 1) SDSU would give them all of Southern Ca. and really wake up San Diego who has no NFL or NBA teams, PAC would really get fans going to games and following them on tv MUCH more(A Lot More!) then what is seen these days. The people of this town have shown in the past to support things that are winning fun and entertaining turning out with Serious numbers. 2) Boise is Boise people like the story (don't know why), would be nice addition with UW, WSU, OU, OSU and U of U also nice fit with UNR 3) UNLV huge upside with with serious growth to be had, maybe the the Pac tutelage and guidance over seeing program to keep noses clean could help along with $$$ (you know their boosters would be jumping on). 4) UNR would give them all of Nevada, they are a serious up and coming academic program with serious growth right around the corner and student enrollment in climbing fast just like Reno (say what u want about the place but it is GROWING fast!) After all these additions the PAC-16 would then need to work on the conference as a whole and see about what it will take to get back to being competitive with the other conferences. If the P12 did expand, ZERO chance Boise gets an invite. There is no way the presidents would align themselves academically with Boise. Good point, problem is your forgetting they allowed Arizona State in. My Golden Retriever could get into ASU. |
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Post by panammaniac on Sept 17, 2021 5:28:42 GMT -8
I stil think usc and oregon are prime candidate for the big ten. They are now clearly second place behind the sec. They will want to do somerhing to counteract tex and okie leaving for the sec. "The alliance" means nothing. I think the elites of the pac 12 would seriosuly comsider moving to the big ten. Geography would likely prevent that. In football it’s a non-issue, but with your closest conference opponent over 1000 miles away and most 2000 and some even 3000 miles away it is a huge issue. You have to put your swimming and diving team on a 4 hour plane flight to compete anywhere away from home, and they’re away from school a couple extra days just because of the travel. I just can’t see it. Even for basketball,I’m stead of playing all of your conference games on the west coast you’re having to travel to the Midwest and east coast to play 2 or 3 time zones away. I don’t see any scenario where that works for anybody. |
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