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SDSU Masks
Aug 24, 2021 14:52:48 GMT -8
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 24, 2021 14:52:48 GMT -8
Good gawd. I really do hate people sometimes. My wife and I were just talking about how the social isolation coupled with the insane amount of disinformation on social media has essentially started to ruin the fabric of community. I have watched seemingly sane and smart people dive right off the cliff into lunacy. It's mind boggling. The logical falacies are staggering. that's cause there is an entire population Base that is easy (candy from a baby level) to make money from and are incapable of rational thought. Even I could do it if I had no ethical core. |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 24, 2021 15:24:41 GMT -8
Because I'm on medication, my doctor advised me not to take any vaccine... I guess I should not be allow medical treatment in a hospital. Great logic. Yeah, I don't believe you at all. Maybe you should call back your doctor and find out if this particular vaccine is on his "don't take list". My guess is you haven't because it won't fit your narrative. AHHH, I just noticed you also edited your post from your original reply to me. You are obviously lying about your doctors advice or haven't even really bothered to call your doctor. Blood thinners are not an issue with the vaccine. Hey, that's fine. Again, you will be the one that has to "live" with your choice to ignore the institution which apparently has kept you alive this long, but is somehow now conspiring against you. After posting, I had second thoughts about providing too much personal medical information to strangers online, so I edited from "blood thinners" to "medication". Does that make me a liar? Not sure how that affects my "narrative". I guess you need more personal medical information so you can stop calling me a liar. Wow. I have multiple issues which make me prone to blood clots. I have two vascular surgeons and an anti-coagulant doctor who are watching my diet, exercise and changes to my body. All have agreed to not put anything into my body that is not necessary. Since I already had covid with very little affects, there is zero reason to add an unproven vaccine. So... should I still not be allowed into my hospital for medical treatment? Or does this not fit your "narrative"? Thank you for trying to shove everyone into one nice little box that you prefer. And they say the left side is about tolerance? |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 24, 2021 16:19:21 GMT -8
Quite frankly, they should close off hospitals to unvaccinated people. You had your chance, live with your decision. Then we can call out this guy:  Because I'm on medication, my doctor advised me not to take any vaccine... I guess I should not be allow medical treatment in a hospital. Great logic. Yes, some people are being told by their doctors to not get the vaccine. One of the more publicized is the former drummer of the band "The Offspring," Pete Parada who suffered from Guillain-Barré syndrome in his childhood. He has now been canceled from the industry despite the fact that being vaccinated does not mean you cannot catch or spread the disease. There is an early study from Vietnam currently under peer-review, where they claim vaccinated persons show more than a 200% increase in viral load in their nasal cavities. There was recently a cruise consisting of 100% vaccinated passengers and crew that had to be quarantined for COVID. And, there are the infamous Texas contingent who left Texas to go to DC as a protest who spread the disease once in DC. We will not see anything from Newsom to "lock down" the state again until after September 14. Right now, his main concern is not being recalled. One of the reasons he is being recalled is because of his COVID policies and how they have hurt business, especially small business. Today, Hawaii locked down again, prohibiting any outdoor gathering even greater than 25 people, indoor events with no more than 10 people and has called for a moratorium on travel to the islands through October. Link provided below. So, if you think that you will be able to attend, in person, Aztec football or basketball events you may be not be allowed to do so. And it has nothing to do with vaccination rates. California, has 55% fully vaccinated with 68% with at least one vaccination injection. Add to that you have some 15% of those under 12 who cannot be vaccinated. So, California has a very large percent of those eligible to be vaccinated who are, indeed, vaccinated. I'd like to see more data provided for those who are not. Did they have COVID and recover? Are they in a low risk group (under 50 would easily be classified as "low" risk given no comorbidities). My initial response to a poster on here was the fact that he needs to blame someone for any potential lockdown. He chose those who are unvaccinated. However, vaccination does not stop the spread of the virus at the very least. Any shutdown on those who implement it. There is no reason for a lockdown unless the vaccines do not protect the vaccinated. Data from Israel shows infection rates have remained the same. Need more to see if hospitalization rates are reduced as well as mortality rates for those most at risk. governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/office-of-the-governor-news-release-governor-ige-signs-executive-order-limiting-gathering-sizes-statewide/ |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 24, 2021 16:31:00 GMT -8
Right now, it appears to be relatively the same. Again, the COVID vaccines don't prevent you from contracting or spreading the disease. That is a fact. So, blaming the unvaccinated for any surge in cases is unwarranted. Israel is a highly vaccinated country (at 60%) and is still seeing a similar surge in new cases now as compared to what they saw prior to the vaccination rollout. California, as of today, has some 54.9% fully vaccinated with nearly 68% with at least one shot. These vaccinations are not leading toward "herd immunity," and that isn't even close. Their efficacy is more short lived than what was promised, 6-8 months. Now we are being told a booster is required, though no science to say how long that "extended immunity" lasts. Those young and healthy persons, especially those who contracted COVID and recovered are at least as "safe" for the rest of the population as vaccinated people. No one is blaming the unvaccinated for a surge. By the way 130, you against wearing a mask in certain places to get this thing under control after 18 mother-fing months? The poster I initially responded said he would blame the "unvaccinated" for any government restriction that will may see in the future. You can go back and find that, I feel no need to do so for you. I laugh when I say that, at some point, those unvaccinated my be told to wear a gold star on their chest. However, when I look around perhaps it isn't something to laugh at (see Australia). Masks provide pretty much no protection for the wearer and slight protection for others. If you are actively coughing and sneezing and have a viral infection then a face covering to mitigate the range of the spray of droplets. That's it. Surgical masks are designed to keep from spreading bacteria. Bacteria are giants compared to viruses. You can look that up if you want to. If you wear a mask all day you are wearing something that is collecting bacteria all day. Oh, ask me about wearing gloves? I see stupid people doing that as well. In fact, they will go the entire day wearing the same set of gloves. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 24, 2021 16:38:17 GMT -8
The vaccines don't prevent the spread of COVID. That is a fact. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient. I didn't ask about the spread. I asked about contracting the virus. You said vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally likely to get the virus. That is dangerously incorrect. The vaccine is designed to prevent GETTING the virus, not spreading. Sometimes logic is incongruent with your flawed views. Sorry, but the vaccines are not stopping the spread. Again, look at the data from Israel who are a bit ahead of us as far as the vaccine rollout. Supposedly, the vaccines may help mitigate you symptoms. However, their efficacy wanes rather quickly which is why their developers are calling for "high risk" people to get a "booster" by 8 months. The WHO, however, is against this. First they claim that "boosters" will reduce the availability of the vaccines in poorer countries, and second they say that the boosters will lead to "more resistant and stronger strains." As for the latter, I do see selective pressure for the virus to become more resistant to current vaccines but I don't see selective pressure for the virus to be stronger. But, the WHO does like to deal in fear over science. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 24, 2021 16:40:58 GMT -8
The vaccines don't prevent the spread of COVID. That is a fact. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient. Vaccines STRONGLY reduce the likelihood / need for hospitalizations from COVID cases... and are therefore a pretty big deal. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient.
That is becoming less true. As the virus mutates, the vaccines become less effective. That is rather predictable. Coronaviruses mutate rather quickly. Again, you can look that up if you want. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 24, 2021 17:10:30 GMT -8
Society is harmed when a person like Jacob Clynick, 13, dies within three days after taking the pfizer jab. cdc reports 74% of fully vaccinated still got covid in Massachusetts. These two are facts, reported by the media/internet and not misinformation. The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct. I agree. How is making second class citizens of people that don’t go along with this the solution? Where does it end? I’m being told by other self-centered clowns on this site that I shouldn’t be allowed in the hospital without a vaccination. What’s next …grocery stores? Gas stations? Work? Then what… Should I not be allowed to vote… How about internment camps? How about confiscating my house and business? Maybe take my underaged daughters and force drugs into their system? Seizing my funds from my bank account to account for my incompetence? And they accuse Trump of being Hitler… Being vaccinated should be a choice, especially in this case where the vaccines don't stop people from spreading the disease. First and foremost, informed consent demands that you be completely informed of all risks and potential rewards of any medical treatment you will undertake. The producers of these vaccinations have not done so. They were allowed to skip steps in the approval process and some of what they claim is inherently wrong. For one, they claim the spike proteins they create are anchored into the injection site so any concerns of those spike proteins being cytotoxic are unwarranted. Unfortunately, the spike proteins do travel and go into the heart, lungs, brain, liver and ovaries. This is why you see issues of myocarditis and blood clots in vaccinated people, many healthy with little risk of having a serious case of COVID. If you decide to get the jab, you might want to consider at least taking and 82mg aspirin morning and night. The FDA just gave partial authorization for the Pfizer vaccine under the brand name Comirnaty despite it not having gone through complete clinical trials; that which will not be completed until the end of 2022 at the least. The FDA did, however, refuse to authorize/approve the vaccine for those 12-16 unless they have some documented issues of a suppressed immune system (organ donor etc). For those who don't qualify for Comirnaty, they can be vaccinated under the original EUA as long as the drug is marketed under the previous name. For me, if I had a child under 18 who was healthy I would not give consent for he/her (I don't do other stupid pronouns) to be vaccinated. Healthy kids have little risk of getting more than a mild case, similar to the flu. Vaccinating them doesn't provide any added protection to anyone else. If I was under 30 and good health I would not get the vaccine. Same can be said of healthy people under 50 though the older you get the higher the risk. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 24, 2021 18:11:29 GMT -8
Vaccines STRONGLY reduce the likelihood / need for hospitalizations from COVID cases... and are therefore a pretty big deal. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient.
That is becoming less true. As the virus mutates, the vaccines become less effective. That is rather predictable. Coronaviruses mutate rather quickly. Again, you can look that up if you want. "Becoming less true" according to what data? Hospitals are currently reporting that a massive preponderance of COVID hospitalizations are the unvaccinated, strongly suggesting that vaccination remains highly effective at reducing the seriousness of the infection for the vaxxed. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 24, 2021 18:20:23 GMT -8
Vaccines STRONGLY reduce the likelihood / need for hospitalizations from COVID cases... and are therefore a pretty big deal. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient.
That is becoming less true. As the virus mutates, the vaccines become less effective. That is rather predictable. Coronaviruses mutate rather quickly. Again, you can look that up if you want. "The data highlights what leading health experts across the country have highlighted for months: Covid-19 vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and death from Covid-19 and are the country's best shot at slowing the pandemic down and avoiding further suffering. The CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths. At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
Divide those severe breakthrough cases by the total fully vaccinated population for the result: less than 0.004% of fully vaccinated people had a breakthrough case that led to hospitalization and less than 0.001% of fully vaccinated people died from a breakthrough Covid-19 case. Most of the breakthrough cases -- about 74% -- occurred among adults 65 or older." www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html |
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Post by aztecnails on Aug 24, 2021 20:40:06 GMT -8
Thank you den60 for getting it.
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Post by aztecnails on Aug 24, 2021 21:13:12 GMT -8
Experiment time: get your doctor to look at the jabbed red blood cells slides under a microscope. They will find blood clotting. Thank you Dr. Jane Ruby for sharing this information that german physicians found through research.
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Post by zurac315 on Aug 25, 2021 1:09:49 GMT -8
If coronavirus goes away tomorrow I will continue to wear masks. I like 'em. I was one of the first to get the vaccine. I'll get the booster at the first opportunity that presents itself. When I was a kid my parents took me to Thailand to live for a year. I was six and it was 1957. We had to get vaccinations at the San Diego County Health Department. We got four or five vaccinations at once and had to go through the procedure twice a couple of weeks apart. No problems for me or my parents. Go ahead. Live dangerously. Roll up your sleeves.  |
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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 25, 2021 3:36:51 GMT -8
If coronavirus goes away tomorrow I will continue to wear masks. I'm in with that, too. Since my early 20s, I've gotten at least 2 to 4 colds per year. And due to the funky way my sinuses work, about half the time I get a cold, mucus drains directly into my lungs, triggering severe bouts of bronchitis. The cold itself ranges from annoying to miserable, and runs between 3 and 10 days. But if/when the bronchitis kicks in, I typically end up with a nasty, debilitating cough that could run anywhere from one to three months, requiring rounds of antibiotics and steroidal inhalers. Not fun. Since the pandemic began, I haven't had so much as a sniffle. I'm sure this is because I've been masked up in public places and have avoided altogether indoor dining, long work meetings with hacking/sniffling/sneezing co-workers, crowded, sweaty gyms, plane flights, etc. Given a choice between wearing a mask in crowded public places and suffering through a three-month-long bout of bronchitis, I say, "More masks, please." |
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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 25, 2021 3:39:27 GMT -8
Experiment time: get your doctor to look at the jabbed red blood cells slides under a microscope. They will find blood clotting. Thank you Dr. Jane Ruby for sharing this information that german physicians found through research. Or instead of annoying your doctor with nonsensical blither-blather, you could just roll up your sleeve and get your shot. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 25, 2021 4:04:40 GMT -8
Experiment time: get your doctor to look at the jabbed red blood cells slides under a microscope. They will find blood clotting. Thank you Dr. Jane Ruby for sharing this information that german physicians found through research. You are actively spreading completely false disinformation. Your precious "Dr Jane Ruby" is a complete shill for the "new right" conspiracy B.S. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Aug 25, 2021 5:05:05 GMT -8
If coronavirus goes away tomorrow I will continue to wear masks. I like 'em. I was one of the first to get the vaccine. I'll get the booster at the first opportunity that presents itself. When I was a kid my parents took me to Thailand to live for a year. I was six and it was 1957. We had to get vaccinations at the San Diego County Health Department. We got four or five vaccinations at once and had to go through the procedure twice a couple of weeks apart. No problems for me or my parents. Go ahead. Live dangerously. Roll up your sleeves. You do you, but that's very strange |
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Post by standiego on Aug 25, 2021 11:03:38 GMT -8
If we want true actual Facts ( not merely slices of information that you selectively choose to use to provide DIS or MIS Information ) then You and others need to Fully read the CDC Daily Reports and Information Guide - Bottom Line what are you advocating be done to stop COVID
Diang provided a link -( he also added other political over the top negative slams of his own- just to fire up the situation and divide us ) to show his point but left out most of the Report that the CDC believes for the most part the Vaccines and wearing Masks can Partially Slow Down the Severe effects of COVID - It does not say it can prevent all parts of the COVID but can make it so if you are vaccinated and wear masks your chances of passing away or even having to go to the Hospital are highly reduced . Read any media report and it will say - positive cases are on the rise . Deaths are up again . There are stats from CDC saying the various % of those who are going to the Hospitals ER's and those who are passing away . Also comments from those who have said they wished they had taken the Vaccinations .
I would ask some Q's Would Greatly appreciate to hear your answers
Would guess that you with your 130 IQ , would agree that our main source of Science CDC should try to do what it can to slow the Pandemic Down and as quickly as possible or at least hope you agree ?
Then please tell us how to do it ? ........ What are you and D ... advocating be done to slow or stop this Covid
Please provide the answers ............................ that is so much more important then listing
In watching videos of people who sneeze or cough without wearing a 2 layer or more mask - the small particles travel a decent amount and can stay in the air . Same video those wearing a mask that covers the nose and mouth - the distance is drastically reduced . Also if you are wearing a mask it could also partially block some of those particles . So many of us are suggesting it can help the spread - while for the most part Not harm people .
Go visit a Hospital and look or talk to people who are trying to care for those who are ill or those praying that their loved be saved . See what they would tell you . No those who work there are NOT going to refuse to assist those who are ill but many sure wish that people had done some additional things to prevent the spread or not make it so severe.
You have added that Israel is more advanced then the US - but maybe forgot to add that They were the first to say that those over 60 get the Third Shot and Now are saying those over 30 should get the third shot . As with anything everyone should consult with their Doctors -
We do not live in a bubble we for the most part live in communities . So what other people do or say can affect others . If you choose to stay in your bubble then fine do as you see fit but have some empathy for others who do or can not live in a bubble. This is a sever Pandemic that people should try to work together to try to stop
So look forward to your answers ...............
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