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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 16:44:56 GMT -8
Vaccinated people are FAAAARRR less likely to occupy an ICU bed if they contract COVID.
Thus NOT getting vaccinated, if you are medically viable to do so, is throwing a big F'ing middle finger to the rest of society... saying that your personal tinfoil hat-wearing, conspiracy-believing bull$#!^ is more important than the person who is hit by a drunk driver and needs surgery or an ICU bed and can't get one because they're all occupied by unvaccinated COVID-a$$hats.
No Vax, no ventillator (*excepting those who have a LEGIT medical reason they can't be vaccinated, stupidity doesn't count)
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 16:46:14 GMT -8
1) The covid outbreak started about the same time (March 2020) that some Aztecs fans attended the 2020 MWC hoops tournament in Las Vegas. It was optional about wearing masks, I did not wear one. 2) I did not get covid that I know or was too weak to notice and I continued to work mask free until a case was reported at my work in may 2020 then it became mandatory. I worked every scheduled day in 2020 and so far in 2021. 3) there are treatment drugs against covid should one get it. 4) all covid rules were supposed to end June 15 when California re-opened. 5) every speaker spoke against the masks and/or mandatory jabs/vax pass at the san diego board of supervisors meeting Aug. 17, 2021. 6) There is something wrong with the jabs that the fully vaxxed can still get and spread covid (Jesse Jackson) or the worst scenario that the jabs killed them (Jacob Clynick, 13. 7) the Western Carolina offensive line football coach John Peacock suddenly died and vax status was not mentioned which tells me it was the jab(s) that killed him. This is similar to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System reports (VAERS). Concluding that life goes on without masks and jab rules. Brand New Tube videos and my experience can confirm my comment. 1) Masks weren't optional during the MWC hoops tourney in Vegas during the first week of March 2020. I, too, was there. Virtually no one at the time was wearing a mask. Virtually no one had any sense of how bad this pandemic and resulting economic/social turmoil would be. There were hints and growing alarm about the coming upheaval in our lives, but at the time there were certainly no masks. 2) My brother contracted COVID right out of the gate in mid-March 2020. He lives in Sun Valley, ID, and they had a massive outbreak there due to the ski resort. I spoke to him every day during his ordeal. It got so bad, the doctor said it was a coin flip whether he'd pull through or not. He did, but it was definitely touch-and-go for several days. He contracted it from attending a pub-gathering that included a friend who was an emergency room nurse at the local hospital, which, of course, was flooded with COVID patients. She spent three weeks on a ventilator before finally pulling through. 3) I personally know over a dozen people who have died from COVID. 4) A 48-year-old father and his 22-year-old son both died on the same day last week in San Diego. I'm certain their loved ones now wish they'd been vaccinated. Save yourself and your loved ones the anguish, drama and heartbreak. Don't be those people. Get vaccinated. 5) Do yourself and everyone in your community a favor and quit spreading nonsensical gibberish on the Internet. Your perspective and viewpoints are way past their expiration date. They may have been fun and hilarious in the spring of 2020, but trust me, they haven't aged well. 6) Put your tinfoil hat away, put your big boy pants on, grow the f**k up and get vaccinated. What do you say to the 6000+ people who died from getting the vaccine? What do you say to people who have already had Covid and tested positive for antibodies? Why stick drugs in your system you don't need? The great Di rty Fauci himself stated natural antibodies are superior to vaccines, why are people (including Di rty Fauci) now contradicting his statements? Why is the government not focusing it's limited resources on those who are at risk, instead of harassing other citizens? "...grow the f**k up" and take care of those who need help instead of blaming others. (Sounds like a typical democrat) |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 16:49:09 GMT -8
What do you say to the 6000+ people who died from getting the vaccine? Oh, please provide a legitimate source for this... |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 16:50:38 GMT -8
Quite frankly, they should close off hospitals to unvaccinated people. You had your chance, live with your decision. Then we can call out this guy:  Because I'm on medication, my doctor advised me not to take any vaccine... I guess I should not be allow medical treatment in a hospital. Great logic. |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 16:56:55 GMT -8
What do you say to the 6000+ people who died from getting the vaccine? Oh, please provide a legitimate source for this... Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), who operates with the US Dept of Health and Human Services, utilizes the CDC database and complies statistics for the CDC. Aug 17, 2021 · Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 357 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 16, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,789 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlWhat I would like to see is how many people died in August from Covid, verses how many died from the vaccine. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 17:02:08 GMT -8
Quite frankly, they should close off hospitals to unvaccinated people. You had your chance, live with your decision. Then we can call out this guy: Because I'm on blood thinners, my doctor advised me not to take any vaccine... I guess I should not be allow medical treatment in a hospital. Great logic. Interesting, as that seems to go against most medical guidance regarding blood thinners and vaccines. Esp. if your blood thinner use is related to heart disease issues, the increased risks of COVID impact to heart disease patients appears to be FAR greater than the risk of blood thinner use vs. vaccinations. And I'm empathetic to this having taken blood thinners for a year after a heart attack in my mid 40s (three years ago). |
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Post by darksidereturns on Aug 23, 2021 17:04:16 GMT -8
Again, being vaccinated or not matters none to anyone else. I admit, I'm fascinated. Den60 would you say vaccinated people are less likely, more likely or equally likely to get covid? |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 17:04:36 GMT -8
Oh, please provide a legitimate source for this... Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), who operates with the US Dept of Health and Human Services, utilizes the CDC database and complies statistics for the CDC. Aug 17, 2021 · Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 357 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 16, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,789 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlWhat I would like to see is how many people died in August from Covid, verses how many died from the vaccine. You ended your quote at an interesting point. It continues... FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].If you are killed in a car crash after being struck by a train... your death gets reported among those 6k. Dying FROM the vaccine, and dying after getting the vaccine are NOT the same thing. |
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Post by darksidereturns on Aug 23, 2021 17:12:14 GMT -8
Quick Math in the US
Doses administered: 357,000,000 and deaths under 7,000 (0.00196%)
Covid cases: 38,000,000 deaths 630,000 (1.658%)
Seems like a pretty easy choice for those that have it.
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 17:22:29 GMT -8
Because I'm on blood thinners, my doctor advised me not to take any vaccine... I guess I should not be allow medical treatment in a hospital. Great logic. Interesting, as that seems to go against most medical guidance regarding blood thinners and vaccines. Esp. if your blood thinner use is related to heart disease issues, the increased risks of COVID impact to heart disease patients appears to be FAR greater than the risk of blood thinner use vs. vaccinations. And I'm empathetic to this having taken blood thinners for a year after a heart attack in my mid 40s (three years ago). I don’t have heart issues it’s for other purposes. But this is exactly the problem with making sweeping, generalized statements. The benefits of vaccinations should be on a patient by patient basis like it always has been. It’s absurd to say it fits for everyone and to make second class citizens out of those that don’t fit in a perfect box. Isn’t this the whole basis of the Democrats platform that not everyone fits in one category and we should all be excepting of everyone and their situation? |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 17:24:37 GMT -8
Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), who operates with the US Dept of Health and Human Services, utilizes the CDC database and complies statistics for the CDC. Aug 17, 2021 · Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 357 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 16, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,789 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlWhat I would like to see is how many people died in August from Covid, verses how many died from the vaccine. You ended your quote at an interesting point. It continues... FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].If you are killed in a car crash after being struck by a train... your death gets reported among those 6k. Dying FROM the vaccine, and dying after getting the vaccine are NOT the same thing. I see your point. However, they apply the same rules to deaths from Covid. There are many documented cases of people dying from “covid” yet they had severe life threatening situations. Same guidelines in both situations |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 23, 2021 17:38:23 GMT -8
I admit, I'm fascinated. Den60 would you say vaccinated people are less likely, more likely or equally likely to get covid? Right now, it appears to be relatively the same. Again, the COVID vaccines don't prevent you from contracting or spreading the disease. That is a fact. So, blaming the unvaccinated for any surge in cases is unwarranted. Israel is a highly vaccinated country (at 60%) and is still seeing a similar surge in new cases now as compared to what they saw prior to the vaccination rollout. California, as of today, has some 54.9% fully vaccinated with nearly 68% with at least one shot. These vaccinations are not leading toward "herd immunity," and that isn't even close. Their efficacy is more short lived than what was promised, 6-8 months. Now we are being told a booster is required, though no science to say how long that "extended immunity" lasts. Those young and healthy persons, especially those who contracted COVID and recovered are at least as "safe" for the rest of the population as vaccinated people. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 17:40:12 GMT -8
Oh, please provide a legitimate source for this... Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), who operates with the US Dept of Health and Human Services, utilizes the CDC database and complies statistics for the CDC. Aug 17, 2021 · Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 357 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 16, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,789 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.htmlWhat I would like to see is how many people died in August from Covid, verses how many died from the vaccine. Current rolling 7-day average for daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths is 996 ( per day). (https://ourworldindata.org/) Relevant caveats: - The actual death toll from COVID-19 is likely to be higher (my emphasis added) than the number of confirmed deaths – this is due to limited testing and problems in the attribution of the cause of death. The difference between reported confirmed deaths and actual deaths varies by country. - The death figures on a given date do not necessarily show the number of new deaths on that day, but the deaths reported on that day. Since reporting can vary significantly from day to day – irrespectively of any actual variation of deaths – it is helpful to view the seven-day rolling average of the daily figures as we do in the chart here. So, at minimum, over the course of one week at that rate you have more deaths in the US from COVID than you (erroneously) claim to be the TOTAL number of vaccine-related/caused deaths. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 17:49:43 GMT -8
You ended your quote at an interesting point. It continues... FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].If you are killed in a car crash after being struck by a train... your death gets reported among those 6k. Dying FROM the vaccine, and dying after getting the vaccine are NOT the same thing. I see your point. However, they apply the same rules to deaths from Covid. There are many documented cases of people dying from “covid” yet they had severe life threatening situations. Same guidelines in both situations How many is "many"? Also, someone can have a "life-threatening condition" but be unlikely to immediately pass... until contracting COVID which then becomes the immediate, causal precipitator of their death. Such cases are being used by the anti-vax community as evidence of some conspiracy or whatever to inflate COVID numbers... but that's just B.-freaking-S. 1) such cases are a miniscule number of COVID death cases anyway, and 2) there's also the examples of localities SUPPRESSING data on COVID deaths for political purposes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 17:52:56 GMT -8
I admit, I'm fascinated. Den60 would you say vaccinated people are less likely, more likely or equally likely to get covid? Right now, it appears to be relatively the same. Again, the COVID vaccines don't prevent you from contracting or spreading the disease. That is a fact. So, blaming the unvaccinated for any surge in cases is unwarranted. Israel is a highly vaccinated country (at 60%) and is still seeing a similar surge in new cases now as compared to what they saw prior to the vaccination rollout. California, as of today, has some 54.9% fully vaccinated with nearly 68% with at least one shot. These vaccinations are not leading toward "herd immunity," and that isn't even close. Their efficacy is more short lived than what was promised, 6-8 months. Now we are being told a booster is required, though no science to say how long that "extended immunity" lasts. Those young and healthy persons, especially those who contracted COVID and recovered are at least as "safe" for the rest of the population as vaccinated people. No one is blaming the unvaccinated for a surge. By the way 130, you against wearing a mask in certain places to get this thing under control after 18 mother-fing months? |
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Post by darksidereturns on Aug 23, 2021 18:09:31 GMT -8
Right now, it appears to be relatively the same. If your argument is this vaccine doesn't work, you are wrong. Facts matter. You are spreading misinformation that is harming society. Please stop. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 23, 2021 18:24:22 GMT -8
Right now, it appears to be relatively the same. Again, the COVID vaccines don't prevent you from contracting or spreading the disease. That is a fact. So, blaming the unvaccinated for any surge in cases is unwarranted. Israel is a highly vaccinated country (at 60%) and is still seeing a similar surge in new cases now as compared to what they saw prior to the vaccination rollout. California, as of today, has some 54.9% fully vaccinated with nearly 68% with at least one shot. These vaccinations are not leading toward "herd immunity," and that isn't even close. Their efficacy is more short lived than what was promised, 6-8 months. Now we are being told a booster is required, though no science to say how long that "extended immunity" lasts. Those young and healthy persons, especially those who contracted COVID and recovered are at least as "safe" for the rest of the population as vaccinated people. No one is blaming the unvaccinated for a surge. By the way 130, you against wearing a mask in certain places to get this thing under control after 18 mother-fing months? OK, here's one by Spud: If you feel the need to wear a mask then do so. I see idiots wearing them all the time, sometimes in their cars by themselves. Just know that wearing a mask gives you no personal protection. You may slightly limit your ability to spread the virus if you are actively coughing or sneezing, but that is it. If you really want to keep from catching the virus then make sure you are clean shaven and then get fitted for an actual respirator and make sure you follow the procedures to use one completely. |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 23, 2021 18:24:45 GMT -8
1) Masks weren't optional during the MWC hoops tourney in Vegas during the first week of March 2020. I, too, was there. Virtually no one at the time was wearing a mask. Virtually no one had any sense of how bad this pandemic and resulting economic/social turmoil would be. There were hints and growing alarm about the coming upheaval in our lives, but at the time there were certainly no masks. 2) My brother contracted COVID right out of the gate in mid-March 2020. He lives in Sun Valley, ID, and they had a massive outbreak there due to the ski resort. I spoke to him every day during his ordeal. It got so bad, the doctor said it was a coin flip whether he'd pull through or not. He did, but it was definitely touch-and-go for several days. He contracted it from attending a pub-gathering that included a friend who was an emergency room nurse at the local hospital, which, of course, was flooded with COVID patients. She spent three weeks on a ventilator before finally pulling through. 3) I personally know over a dozen people who have died from COVID. 4) A 48-year-old father and his 22-year-old son both died on the same day last week in San Diego. I'm certain their loved ones now wish they'd been vaccinated. Save yourself and your loved ones the anguish, drama and heartbreak. Don't be those people. Get vaccinated. 5) Do yourself and everyone in your community a favor and quit spreading nonsensical gibberish on the Internet. Your perspective and viewpoints are way past their expiration date. They may have been fun and hilarious in the spring of 2020, but trust me, they haven't aged well. 6) Put your tinfoil hat away, put your big boy pants on, grow the f**k up and get vaccinated. What do you say to the 6000+ people who died from getting the vaccine? What do you say to people who have already had Covid and tested positive for antibodies? Why stick drugs in your system you don't need? The great Di rty Fauci himself stated natural antibodies are superior to vaccines, why are people (including Di rty Fauci) now contradicting his statements? Why is the government not focusing it's limited resources on those who are at risk, instead of harassing other citizens? "...grow the f**k up" and take care of those who need help instead of blaming others. (Sounds like a typical democrat) go do a shooter of Ivermectin , with a hydroxy back..and don't f****** take up an ICU bed.. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 23, 2021 18:25:40 GMT -8
Right now, it appears to be relatively the same. If your argument is this vaccine doesn't work, you are wrong. Facts matter. You are spreading misinformation that is harming society. Please stop. The vaccines don't prevent the spread of COVID. That is a fact. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient. |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 23, 2021 18:32:29 GMT -8
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