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Post by darksidereturns on Aug 23, 2021 18:40:39 GMT -8
If your argument is this vaccine doesn't work, you are wrong. Facts matter. You are spreading misinformation that is harming society. Please stop. The vaccines don't prevent the spread of COVID. That is a fact. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient. I didn't ask about the spread. I asked about contracting the virus. You said vaccinated and unvaccinated are equally likely to get the virus. That is dangerously incorrect. The vaccine is designed to prevent GETTING the virus, not spreading. Sometimes logic is incongruent with your flawed views. |
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Post by aztecnails on Aug 23, 2021 18:41:45 GMT -8
I heard about the covid cases on cruise ships prior to leaving in March 2020 for Las Vegas. The guidance in early March 2020 was to not shake hands, not touch one's face and wash one's hands frequently which I did. Doctors like Peter McCullough, Carrie Madej, Jane Ruby and others are who I am Listening to with their comments. Why would anyone knowingly take graphene oxide (toxic to body) in the jabs as discovered by La Quinta Columna scientists. Adding, Dr. Sean Brooks (Oxford, phd) warns at Ohio school board meeting of weakened immune system with each jab, antibody dependence enhancement and blood clots for those who took the jabs and he says who will die within 6 months to 5 years. These are reasons why people aren't taking the deadly poison jabs. The media promotes getting jabbed but leaves out that information when a person suddenly or unexpectedly dies. One case is pro mandatory jab speaker Richard Trumka who died with the media having no mention that he personally took the jabs. No one should be discriminated against based on a medical choice.
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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 18:41:55 GMT -8
If your argument is this vaccine doesn't work, you are wrong. Facts matter. You are spreading misinformation that is harming society. Please stop. The vaccines don't prevent the spread of COVID. That is a fact. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient. Vaccines STRONGLY reduce the likelihood / need for hospitalizations from COVID cases... and are therefore a pretty big deal. Sometimes actual science is inconvenient.
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Post by aztecnails on Aug 23, 2021 18:57:29 GMT -8
Society is harmed when a person like Jacob Clynick, 13, dies within three days after taking the pfizer jab. cdc reports 74% of fully vaccinated still got covid in Massachusetts. These two are facts, reported by the media/internet and not misinformation. The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct.
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Post by hoobs on Aug 23, 2021 19:12:19 GMT -8
Society is harmed when a person like Jacob Clynick, 13, dies within three days after taking the pfizer jab. cdc reports 74% of fully vaccinated still got covid in Massachusetts. These two are facts, reported by the media/internet and not misinformation. The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct.
www.mass.gov/doc/daily-covid-19-vaccine-report-august-23-2021/downloadThere have been roughly 10,000 "breakthrough" cases of vaccinated people in Mass contracting COVID
Notably, however, of those breakthrough cases... the "106 deaths out of more than 4.3 million fully vaccinated residents of Massachusetts represents a rate of just 0.002%". www.nbcboston.com/news/local/nearly-10000-breakthrough-covid-cases-reported-in-mass-over-100-have-now-died/2464309/I don't know what type of math you're using, but 10,000 doesn't seem like 74% of 4 million+ so I think your information is totally B.S. and nothing resembling facts... and instead is little more than disinformation spread by idiots. |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 19:14:00 GMT -8
Society is harmed when a person like Jacob Clynick, 13, dies within three days after taking the pfizer jab. cdc reports 74% of fully vaccinated still got covid in Massachusetts. These two are facts, reported by the media/internet and not misinformation. The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct. I agree. How is making second class citizens of people that don’t go along with this the solution? Where does it end? I’m being told by other self-centered clowns on this site that I shouldn’t be allowed in the hospital without a vaccination. What’s next …grocery stores? Gas stations? Work? Then what… Should I not be allowed to vote… How about internment camps? How about confiscating my house and business? Maybe take my underaged daughters and force drugs into their system? Seizing my funds from my bank account to account for my incompetence? And they accuse Trump of being Hitler… |
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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 23, 2021 19:33:51 GMT -8
Society is harmed when a person like Jacob Clynick, 13, dies within three days after taking the pfizer jab. cdc reports 74% of fully vaccinated still got covid in Massachusetts. These two are facts, reported by the media/internet and not misinformation. The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct. I agree. How is making second class citizens of people that don’t go along with this the solution? Where does it end? I’m being told by other self-centered clowns on this site that I shouldn’t be allowed in the hospital without a vaccination. What’s next …grocery stores? Gas stations? Work? Then what… Should I not be allowed to vote… How about internment camps? How about confiscating my house and business? Maybe take my underaged daughters and force drugs into their system? Seizing my funds from my bank account to account for my incompetence? And they accuse Trump of being Hitler… Again, grow up. What, are you 12? Seriously, you’re a walking blizzard of disinformation and gaslighting. I’ve completed lost my patience with this kind of jibber-jabber. Additionally, I lost $30k last week because my idiot unvaccinated client contracted COVID and we couldn’t close the deal. Long story, but I have no sense of humor about losing $$$. I’m done with coddling fools. Sorry. |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 19:42:16 GMT -8
I agree. How is making second class citizens of people that don’t go along with this the solution? Where does it end? I’m being told by other self-centered clowns on this site that I shouldn’t be allowed in the hospital without a vaccination. What’s next …grocery stores? Gas stations? Work? Then what… Should I not be allowed to vote… How about internment camps? How about confiscating my house and business? Maybe take my underaged daughters and force drugs into their system? Seizing my funds from my bank account to account for my incompetence? And they accuse Trump of being Hitler… Again, grow up. What, are you 12? Seriously, you’re a walking blizzard of disinformation and gaslighting. I’ve completed lost my patience with this kind of jibber-jabber. Additionally, I lost $30k last week because my idiot unvaccinated client contracted COVID and we couldn’t close the deal. Long story, but I have no sense of humor about losing $$$. I’m done with coddling fools. Sorry. Really? Spud said hospitals should decline services to all people without vaccinations. Am I lying? Misinformation? Has Biden not asked businesses to require vaccination cards for services? Has Dictator Newsom not shut down public universities to those without vaccinations? How is any of this misinformation? Is it really far-fetched for them to say I can’t go vote because I’m dangerous? Maybe try saying your opinions out loud and see if they still sound sane. |
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Post by darksidereturns on Aug 23, 2021 19:59:34 GMT -8
The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct. Do you really believe the vaccine gives you covid? Really? I'm just sad you can't follow reason and logic to a conclusion that doesn't endanger society is all. Facts do not support your opinion. I had to show my vaccination card to attend SDSU...so did you, if you did. Stop with the BS. 630K deaths is not equal to 6000 deaths. It isn't even close. Spreading lies hurts. You said 74% of fully vax in MA still got covid. That is not miles from reality it is several planets away from reality. But you trust a doctor who said he is a doctor at a school board meeting...in Ohio. Great. WTF. Or another non medical doc who said "graphene oxide" is the vaccine. These are not facts. Vaccinated people can still get covid and can still spread covid. Fact. But at way, Way WAY better, difference making numbers. Anaphylaxis is really freaking RARE. Be a part of the solution. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 20:10:46 GMT -8
Society is harmed when a person like Jacob Clynick, 13, dies within three days after taking the pfizer jab. cdc reports 74% of fully vaccinated still got covid in Massachusetts. These two are facts, reported by the media/internet and not misinformation. The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct. I agree. How is making second class citizens of people that don’t go along with this the solution? Where does it end? I’m being told by other self-centered clowns on this site that I shouldn’t be allowed in the hospital without a vaccination. What’s next …grocery stores? Gas stations? Work? Then what… Should I not be allowed to vote… How about internment camps? How about confiscating my house and business? Maybe take my underaged daughters and force drugs into their system? Seizing my funds from my bank account to account for my incompetence? And they accuse Trump of being Hitler… You just get crazier and crazier as you write. |
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Post by darksidereturns on Aug 23, 2021 20:33:14 GMT -8
Misinformation? Has Biden not asked businesses to require vaccination cards for services? Has Dictator Newsom not shut down public universities to those without vaccinations? How is any of this misinformation? Is it really far-fetched for them to say I can’t go vote because I’m dangerous? Maybe you take a breath. Relax and read your own signature, reflect. |
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Post by standiego on Aug 23, 2021 20:40:38 GMT -8
First I feel terrible for Jacob Clynick and his family . Have read that the CDC is doing a full complete autopsy that will take 3 months . But numerous Fox and other outlets have used this story to rile up the Anti Vaccine people and others in various countries saying the US does not know what they are doing and should not be trusted - care to guess what countries are using this information .
You shifted gears and presented Selected information or is it called " Alternative Facts" . Yes there were some very big events in Provineton MA . this summer . There were 469 Covid cases , yes 74% of them were fully vaccinated( 274 people ) and of those 4 went to the Hospital( then home ) so about 0. 0085% so you might say the Vaccine is working keeping as many people as safe as possible and not passing away or filling up the EU's or over loading Medical Workers .
The same article said this Pandemic can spread faster then Spanish Flu , Sars , Ebola , Mers ... also the variant can create even more variants to those who do not get vaccinated .
Sure seems there are a couple of things people can do get Vaccinated and wear masks to try to slow this down
Read the link that was provided and the CDC feels the Vaccinations are working( they do say nothing is completely safe) for those who are over 12 . IT also has that there are still very high % of that are passing away that did not want to take the vaccine - But when the News people talk with those on machines to save their life they continue to say they wish they had taken the vaccine and hope others do .
Totally resent the Bullying , Labeling , and Name calling , as usual . Democrats point of view , DIRITY Fauci and then we toss in a Nazi .. or that people are doing to take away your rights . Understand that Medical workers are not gong to refuse to help people but what happens when they are faced with having to choose who to help - yes they do help all but put yourself in their shoes .
medical workers will not refuse to help those who do not get CHOOSE to get vaccine . Wonder what Insurance companies would do if they had the opportunity to not pay for those who REFUSE to get vaccine . Or under some Health policies if you have a Pre existing condition you could be excluded from being covered - You resort to dog whistle thoughts to rile up your base - do you care about those working in Medical facilities what they have to go through
You select and choose certain information then say the CDC is totally agreeing with you - simply not the Complete Facts but Alternative Facts when you choose to select parts you want .
These are Not Poliical Issues they are very serious Health Life and Death Issue plus those who have to deal with them in medical facilities and families .
We do not live in a bubble so yes what we do and say can affect numerous people . If you choose to stay in your home and not have any contact with others fine best of luck - but Covid does spread through the air by people so please think of others as well as yourself -
We live in a very global community , city , county , state and country . Sometimes we need to do what is best for all people
Please wear your AZTEC mask with pride - think that is what we were talking about
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 23, 2021 20:46:26 GMT -8
Society is harmed when a person like Jacob Clynick, 13, dies within three days after taking the pfizer jab. cdc reports 74% of fully vaccinated still got covid in Massachusetts. These two are facts, reported by the media/internet and not misinformation. The jab is NOT working as advertised except to give one covid, one side effects and/or death. Den60 is correct. "On Aug. 4, Farrel Austin Levitt, publicly known as Dick Farrel, died of “severe damage” caused by covid, Farley told The Washington Post. He was 65." " Farrel said on his Facebook page last month that inoculations were “promoted by people who lied [to you] all along about masks, where the virus came from and the death toll.” " However, Farrel swiftly changed his perspective about the vaccine after he contracted the virus, his friends and family said." "“Get it!” he responded in a text message. “And then he told me that this virus is no joke and then he said: ‘I wish I had gotten it!’ ” Hair told The Post on Monday, urging others to get vaccinated." www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/09/dick-farrel-dies-covid19/DON'T BE A DICK!!!... get vaccinated...wear a mask indoors or in a large group outside to stymie the spread to your fellow citizens...stop listening to those who are probably vaccinated themselves, but are just trying to be contrarian for attention/argument/entertainment purposes...the true believers of COVID nonsense are permanently injured either with heart, lung and kidney damage...or they suffered a horrible death alone...if that sounds appealing to you...or you think it won't happen to you or your loved one...is like playing Russian Roulette....... |
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Post by dlangford9 on Aug 23, 2021 21:15:20 GMT -8
Misinformation? Has Biden not asked businesses to require vaccination cards for services? Has Dictator Newsom not shut down public universities to those without vaccinations? How is any of this misinformation? Is it really far-fetched for them to say I can’t go vote because I’m dangerous? Maybe you take a breath. Relax and read your own signature, reflect. What did I say that is not true? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 21:29:02 GMT -8
Maybe you take a breath. Relax and read your own signature, reflect. What did I say that is not true? No one is criticizing anyone who can't get the vaccine because of his or her medical condition. No one. That is not the point here. Quit making yourself a victim. This is about the idiots peacocking around with their vaccine and mask BS spreading misinformation that some people are actually stupid enough to believe. |
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Post by aztecnails on Aug 24, 2021 0:08:58 GMT -8
Here is my source: type Mass 74% covid fully jabbed. News articles on July 30, 2021 from cnbc, yahoo news, msn, the cdc and snopes all report or confirm that 74% (347) of 469 covid cases were in the fully jabbed. The town was Provincetown, MA. Forbes news admitted that Jesse Jackson and wife, both fully jabbed, got covid which means the fully jabbed can still get and spread covid. I majored in journalism in the late 80s and know my responsibility to report factual information. To Hobbs, I amend my earlier comment to include the 74% of 469 fully jabbed covid cases in Provincetown, MA. The information I share is from Brand New Tube videos under explosive topics about doctors speaking in their own words about the covid side effects and deaths. The other is vaxpain.us where individuals report what side effects/deaths under vaccine adverse event reporting system that the individual suffered. yes, darksidereturns I do believe that one can get covid after vaccination. The media calls them breakthrough cases. The most current is Hilary Duff. I believe the Thomas Renz lawsuit filed from cdc whistleblower ,who has seen the vaccine deaths numbers, in Alabama July, 19, 2021 about vaccine deaths of a minimum of 45,000. A similar lawsuit was filed in Hawaii.
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Post by Spud on Aug 24, 2021 3:32:28 GMT -8
Quite frankly, they should close off hospitals to unvaccinated people. You had your chance, live with your decision. Then we can call out this guy:  Because I'm on medication, my doctor advised me not to take any vaccine... I guess I should not be allow medical treatment in a hospital. Great logic. Yeah, I don't believe you at all. Maybe you should call back your doctor and find out if this particular vaccine is on his "don't take list". My guess is you haven't because it won't fit your narrative. AHHH, I just noticed you also edited your post from your original reply to me. You are obviously lying about your doctors advice or haven't even really bothered to call your doctor. Blood thinners are not an issue with the vaccine. Hey, that's fine. Again, you will be the one that has to "live" with your choice to ignore the institution which apparently has kept you alive this long, but is somehow now conspiring against you. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Aug 24, 2021 5:04:45 GMT -8
Here is my source: type Mass 74% covid fully jabbed. News articles on July 30, 2021 from cnbc, yahoo news, msn, the cdc and snopes all report or confirm that 74% (347) of 469 covid cases were in the fully jabbed. The town was Provincetown, MA. Forbes news admitted that Jesse Jackson and wife, both fully jabbed, got covid which means the fully jabbed can still get and spread covid. I majored in journalism in the late 80s and know my responsibility to report factual information. To Hobbs, I amend my earlier comment to include the 74% of 469 fully jabbed covid cases in Provincetown, MA. The information I share is from Brand New Tube videos under explosive topics about doctors speaking in their own words about the covid side effects and deaths. The other is vaxpain.us where individuals report what side effects/deaths under vaccine adverse event reporting system that the individual suffered. yes, darksidereturns I do believe that one can get covid after vaccination. The media calls them breakthrough cases. The most current is Hilary Duff. I believe the Thomas Renz lawsuit filed from cdc whistleblower ,who has seen the vaccine deaths numbers, in Alabama July, 19, 2021 about vaccine deaths of a minimum of 45,000. A similar lawsuit was filed in Hawaii. Again with the jiber-jabber and half truths. Yes, there was an outbreak in Provincetown, MA, in July. And, yes, there were 469 COVID cases, of which 74% were fully vaccinated. It's also important to note that the outbreak was due to a summer celebration of mostly LGBTs returning to tightly packed gay bars/nightclubs/dancing, etc., that offers prime conditions for COVID spread -- sort of a COVID petri dish. The partygoers believed that because they were fully vaxxed, they were impervious to COVID. The delta variant upended their plans. It's also important to note that of the 347 breakthrough cases in Provincetown, only three were hospitalized. Most were either asymptomatic or experienced the equivalent of a mild cold. Here, as Paul Harvey used to say, is the rest of the story, which you conveniently left out: From the Washington Post: Larry Corey, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle. “We can’t take one report of packed bars and extrapolate and say the sky is falling. The sky is not falling." Corey and other scientists reiterated that vaccination is the best way to end the pandemic. Turning covid-19 into a nuisance cold instead of a potentially fatal pneumonia was the main goal of the shots. From the NY Times: The finding is dismaying, but vaccines remain the one reliable shield against the virus, in whatever form it takes. The vaccines largely prevent infection, even with the Delta variant, and greatly reduce the chances of severe illness or death should infection occur. Nationwide, about 97 percent of people hospitalized with Covid-19 are unvaccinated, according to data from the C.D.C. And the unvaccinated are far more likely to spread the virus to others in their communities. “Full vaccination is very protective, including against Delta,” said Angela Rasmussen, a research scientist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada. As for your buddy Tom Rentz, whom you put so much faith in, it seems federal judges and health officials have differing opinions about his nonsensical lawsuits, all of which have been bounced out on their ears like some slobbering drunk at closing time. From Ch. 11 News, Columbus, OH: The papers Renz filed in federal court are on behalf of America’s Frontline Doctors, the group behind a separate lawsuit challenging a vaccine mandate at Indiana University that a Trump-appointed judge shot down Sunday. The group’s founder, Simone Gold, was arrested in January after reportedly participating in the storming of the US Capitol. A federal judge similarly blasted as “incomprehensible” a federal lawsuit Renz filed alleging “tyranny” from Ohio’s government regarding the pandemic. “It’s simply not my job to try to discern from plaintiffs’ scattered, off-loaded stack of contentions and claims to envision what sort of plausible legal edifice a capable legal architect might erect,” he wrote. From Snopes.com: Despite claiming to have evidence to prove that 45,000 individuals died within three days of receiving their COVID-19 vaccine, our investigation did not reveal a legitimate source to suggest that such allegations are factual. Rated: False. So I reiterate: Quit wasting everyone's time with your hamster wheel nonsense. Grow up. Quit being un-American and acting like we-the-vaxxed are asking you to storm the beaches at Normandy. Go get your shot so we can all move on. |
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Aug 24, 2021 6:56:23 GMT -8
Good gawd. I really do hate people sometimes.
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Post by Spud on Aug 24, 2021 7:33:03 GMT -8
Good gawd. I really do hate people sometimes. My wife and I were just talking about how the social isolation coupled with the insane amount of disinformation on social media has essentially started to ruin the fabric of community. I have watched seemingly sane and smart people dive right off the cliff into lunacy. It's mind boggling. The logical falacies are staggering. |
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