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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2021 8:26:54 GMT -8
None of this is more likely. Bryant is a rental who has been awful for the last month or more. Rizzo's another first base only guy who doesn't give you any versatility and is more good than great. The Rockies won't trade within the division and Cron isn't anywhere near as good as Gallo. You're trying to trade for impact pieces to win the division, point blank. None of these moves are being made with the wild card in mind. The Padres are set to blow past the luxury tax for the first time in history. Abrams isn't going anywhere, but I could see Hassell moved in a deal. Campusano's a catcher unless the concussions become a real issue, which is a possibility. He's already had two. Kevin Brown has the single best season in terms of WAR in Padre history, but that whole deal was so long ago that it really doesn't have much bearing here. Agree to disagree: "There’s no indication that any deal is imminent, nor are any trading partners mentioned. But the appeal of acquiring Hosmer wouldn’t be so much about Hosmer himself. “The Padres likely would have to attach significant prospect value” to trade Hosmer, says Rosenthal. So, any team acquiring Hosmer would need to have enough payroll space to pay him, but with an eye towards the future production the prospects would provide. Speculatively speaking, the Cubs could be a fit. They’ve seemingly already started a sell-off, trading Joc Pederson to Atlanta earlier this month. First baseman and impending free agent Anthony Rizzo seems destined to be traded, unless the team can work out an extension. Javier Baez and Kris Bryant are also coming off the books at year’s end, or even sooner, creating more payroll space." www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/padres-discussing-eric-hosmer-trades.htmlA return to the Royals is another intriguing possibility. They’ve been in rebuild mode since Hosmer left but tried to re-emerge as contenders with some aggressive moves in the most recent offseason. But that hasn’t gone as planned, as they are currently 42-55 and definite sellers as Friday’s 4pm trade deadline approaches. Acquiring Hosmer and some prospects could be a way to improve for future seasons while re-acquiring a fan favorite who was part of a World Series winner to help open the next competitive window. The Orioles and Tigers could also consider taking on Hosmer’s contract as a way of bolstering their prospect inventory." First of all, Rizzo is an upgrade over Hosmer, and so is Bryant. You move Hosmer's contract to get out from under the luxury tax, and in order to open up payroll to for futures moves, either via free agency signings or trade. You see a Gallo deal happening that is a major upgrade to the roster and keeps us above the luxury tax. I see a different deal happening, where we get a slight upgrade on Hosmer for a one year rental at first base, and we get to get out from underneath Hosmer's contract so that we can trade for and sign Gallo to an extension (next year), or we trade for or sign another high quality bat in the future. Campusano doesn't know what he's doing behind the plate right now - that may change over time. He looked bad behind the plate in the majors. I have a lot more faith in his bat then his ability to play the position. I agree that the Rockies are a longshot. But the Cubs make a heck of a lot of sense here, especially because you can do an impactful deal and hold onto your best prospects. The Gallo deal doesn't keep us above the luxury tax, it would move Hosmer to Texas. The Padres aren't in on Bryant, barring some kind of crazy reversal in the next day or so. He's just not as good as the reputation, especially recently...and offers you nothing beyond 2021. They are in elsewhere. You're telling me a 22 year old catcher wasn't ready defensively after he skipped essentially from A ball to the majors? That's a bold stance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 8:45:52 GMT -8
I wouldn't go anywhere near Rizzo. While he is still an above average major leaguer, he is going to be 32 and already in an (albeit modest) decline. A 250 pounder who no longer hits 30 homers a year and is now a below .800 OPS guy.
Basically, in a year or two he is going to be on a statistical decline similar to Hosmer's post 2017 descent while still commanding a hefty salary. No thanks! I'm with Ryan on this one.
I'd be much more open to Kris Bryant than Ryan is. Has some position versatility if needed, younger, and has posted an .850 to. 900 OPS season pretty much annually except last years shortened, one off season where he was hurt. Already has 50 RBI this season, and he walks a $#!+ ton.
But if I were giving up the prospects needed to get a Bryant --- I'd much rather have starting pitching. Like Mad Max, for example.
I still think the rotation is a weak spot in October, and would require banking on Snell, Paddack, and/or Lamet to "get hot" and also get and stay healthy. The pitching staff is a concern.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2021 9:01:07 GMT -8
I wouldn't go anywhere near Rizzo. While he is still an above average major leaguer, he is going to be 32 and already in an (albeit modest) decline. A 250 pounder who no longer hits 30 homers a year and is now a below .800 OPS guy. Basically, in a year or two he is going to be on a statistical decline similar to Hosmer's post 2017 descent while still commanding a hefty salary. No thanks! I'm with Ryan on this one. I'd be much more open to Kris Bryant than Ryan is. Has some position versatility if needed, younger, and has posted an .850 to. 900 OPS season pretty much annually except last years shortened, one off season where he was hurt. Already has 50 RBI this season, and he walks a $#!+ ton. But if I were giving up the prospects needed to get a Bryant --- I'd much rather have starting pitching. Like Mad Max, for example. I still think the rotation is a weak spot in October, and would require banking on Snell, Paddack, and/or Lamet to "get hot" and also get and stay healthy. The pitching staff is a concern. Tommy Pham has almost the same WAR as Kris Bryant does. Bryant just doesn't make a ton of sense as he's not agreeing to an extension and the Padres don't want just a rental bat at an inflated price, like the Cubs seem to be holding out for. Today is going to hurt, I think.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 27, 2021 9:12:45 GMT -8
Saw an interesting trade rumor which had Hosmer and 2 TBD prospects to the Mariners for J Bauer & a reliever. Mariners would take on Hosmers contract in return for the prospects while Pads open up payroll for other needs while getting a backup 1B and a possible bullpen arm.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2021 9:14:57 GMT -8
Saw an interesting trade rumor which had Hosmer and 2 TBD prospects to the Mariners for J Bauer & a reliever. Mariners would take on Hosmers contract in return for the prospects while Pads open up payroll for other needs while getting a backup 1B and a possible bullpen arm. I have no idea why Seattle would do that...and that would be massively underwhelming on a Padre front.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 27, 2021 9:31:20 GMT -8
Saw an interesting trade rumor which had Hosmer and 2 TBD prospects to the Mariners for J Bauer & a reliever. Mariners would take on Hosmers contract in return for the prospects while Pads open up payroll for other needs while getting a backup 1B and a possible bullpen arm. I have no idea why Seattle would do that...and that would be massively underwhelming on a Padre front. It's just a Seattle blog, but they mention Lawson and Thompson as the 2 prospects and Hosmers salary is much more tradable next year since it drops moving forward. The benefit to the Pads is $$$$, potentially freeing them up to go after a more expensive trade. Just speculation, as is everything out there right now. sodomojo.com/2021/07/26/mariners-rumors-padres-eric-hosmer/
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2021 9:47:00 GMT -8
I have no idea why Seattle would do that...and that would be massively underwhelming on a Padre front. It's just a Seattle blog, but they mention Lawson and Thompson as the 2 prospects and Hosmers salary is much more tradable next year since it drops moving forward. The benefit to the Pads is $$$$, potentially freeing them up to go after a more expensive trade. Just speculation, as is everything out there right now. sodomojo.com/2021/07/26/mariners-rumors-padres-eric-hosmer/The best use of Hosmer's money is to pair it with a prospect to get an increased return. The money isn't a real issue (yet) because the penalties on the CBT are next to nothing. Seattle is also on Hosmer's no trade list.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 10:10:08 GMT -8
Saw an interesting trade rumor which had Hosmer and 2 TBD prospects to the Mariners for J Bauer & a reliever. Mariners would take on Hosmers contract in return for the prospects while Pads open up payroll for other needs while getting a backup 1B and a possible bullpen arm. Jake Bauers is complete garbage, but the payroll relief would be nice......IF the prospects sent over were just "meh" guys.
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Post by azson on Jul 27, 2021 10:17:31 GMT -8
Not to mention Seattle is now only 1 GB of the A's for the 2nd WC spot - not seeing how that trade helps them make the playoffs.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 27, 2021 10:50:14 GMT -8
This might not be a popular opinion on this board, but right now, I would rather have Ty France playing first than Eric Hosmer.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2021 11:06:02 GMT -8
This might not be a popular opinion on this board, but right now, I would rather have Ty France playing first than Eric Hosmer. I'd rather have Austin Nola and Austin Adams.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 27, 2021 11:59:53 GMT -8
Not to mention Seattle is now only 1 GB of the A's for the 2nd WC spot - not seeing how that trade helps them make the playoffs. No matter what you think of Hosmer, he's an upgrade over what they currently have & gives them experience for the playoff push, something they lack big time. Heck of a comeback win last night!!
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 27, 2021 12:10:16 GMT -8
Saw an interesting trade rumor which had Hosmer and 2 TBD prospects to the Mariners for J Bauer & a reliever. Mariners would take on Hosmers contract in return for the prospects while Pads open up payroll for other needs while getting a backup 1B and a possible bullpen arm. Jake Bauers is complete garbage, but the payroll relief would be nice......IF the prospects sent over were just "meh" guys. See that's how I see a Rizzo deal materializing with the Cubs. Rizzo is a rental, which is nice if you want to free up payroll to pickup a new contract at 1B, via trade or a free agent signing in the offseason.I get that Gallo is the "A" plan. But doesn't the "B" plan look something like that Mariners deal, or that Cubs deal?
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2021 12:12:38 GMT -8
Jake Bauers is complete garbage, but the payroll relief would be nice......IF the prospects sent over were just "meh" guys. See that's how I see a Rizzo deal materializing with the Cubs. Rizzo is a rental, which is nice if you want to free up payroll to pickup a new contract at 1B, via trade or a free agent signing in the offseason.I get that Gallo is the "A" plan. But doesn't the "B" plan look something like that Mariners deal, or that Cubs deal? Nope.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 27, 2021 12:15:04 GMT -8
Agree to disagree: "There’s no indication that any deal is imminent, nor are any trading partners mentioned. But the appeal of acquiring Hosmer wouldn’t be so much about Hosmer himself. “The Padres likely would have to attach significant prospect value” to trade Hosmer, says Rosenthal. So, any team acquiring Hosmer would need to have enough payroll space to pay him, but with an eye towards the future production the prospects would provide. Speculatively speaking, the Cubs could be a fit. They’ve seemingly already started a sell-off, trading Joc Pederson to Atlanta earlier this month. First baseman and impending free agent Anthony Rizzo seems destined to be traded, unless the team can work out an extension. Javier Baez and Kris Bryant are also coming off the books at year’s end, or even sooner, creating more payroll space." www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/padres-discussing-eric-hosmer-trades.htmlA return to the Royals is another intriguing possibility. They’ve been in rebuild mode since Hosmer left but tried to re-emerge as contenders with some aggressive moves in the most recent offseason. But that hasn’t gone as planned, as they are currently 42-55 and definite sellers as Friday’s 4pm trade deadline approaches. Acquiring Hosmer and some prospects could be a way to improve for future seasons while re-acquiring a fan favorite who was part of a World Series winner to help open the next competitive window. The Orioles and Tigers could also consider taking on Hosmer’s contract as a way of bolstering their prospect inventory." First of all, Rizzo is an upgrade over Hosmer, and so is Bryant. You move Hosmer's contract to get out from under the luxury tax, and in order to open up payroll to for futures moves, either via free agency signings or trade. You see a Gallo deal happening that is a major upgrade to the roster and keeps us above the luxury tax. I see a different deal happening, where we get a slight upgrade on Hosmer for a one year rental at first base, and we get to get out from underneath Hosmer's contract so that we can trade for and sign Gallo to an extension (next year), or we trade for or sign another high quality bat in the future. Campusano doesn't know what he's doing behind the plate right now - that may change over time. He looked bad behind the plate in the majors. I have a lot more faith in his bat then his ability to play the position. I agree that the Rockies are a longshot. But the Cubs make a heck of a lot of sense here, especially because you can do an impactful deal and hold onto your best prospects. The Gallo deal doesn't keep us above the luxury tax, it would move Hosmer to Texas. The Padres aren't in on Bryant, barring some kind of crazy reversal in the next day or so. He's just not as good as the reputation, especially recently...and offers you nothing beyond 2021. They are in elsewhere. You're telling me a 22 year old catcher wasn't ready defensively after he skipped essentially from A ball to the majors? That's a bold stance. Point taken on Campusano's quick path to the majors, but I do think that his defense is still a question mark. Time will tell. Hosmer to the Rangers for Gallo and Gibson, that will definitely require Hassell and probably two decent prospects as well. Gross *vomit*
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 27, 2021 12:16:01 GMT -8
See that's how I see a Rizzo deal materializing with the Cubs. Rizzo is a rental, which is nice if you want to free up payroll to pickup a new contract at 1B, via trade or a free agent signing in the offseason.I get that Gallo is the "A" plan. But doesn't the "B" plan look something like that Mariners deal, or that Cubs deal? Nope. What's the backup plan?
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Post by aardvark on Jul 27, 2021 12:27:38 GMT -8
This might not be a popular opinion on this board, but right now, I would rather have Ty France playing first than Eric Hosmer. I'd rather have Austin Nola and Austin Adams. The comment was only based on production and contracts--nothing more.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 27, 2021 12:33:26 GMT -8
There isn't one. The Padres are trying to offload Hosmer's deal. If they can't, they won't. Obviously things can change on a dime, but I don't see a match with the Cubs with a rental player in Rizzo.
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Post by azson on Jul 27, 2021 14:31:40 GMT -8
Not to mention Seattle is now only 1 GB of the A's for the 2nd WC spot - not seeing how that trade helps them make the playoffs. No matter what you think of Hosmer, he's an upgrade over what they currently have & gives them experience for the playoff push, something they lack big time. Heck of a comeback win last night!! Agreed - especially love seeing it happen against The Cheaters. Now unfortunately my two teams have to play each other - a rarity that they're both in the hunt at the same time when they square up (i.e. Pads are usually out of it by now )
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Post by azson on Jul 27, 2021 14:41:21 GMT -8
This might not be a popular opinion on this board, but right now, I would rather have Ty France playing first than Eric Hosmer. I haven't been following Ty this season but just saw he would be 2nd in BA on the Pads right now.
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