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Post by johneaztec on Jul 25, 2021 17:42:27 GMT -8
Getting $1.4M along with Frasier doesn't hurt either. I think this cuts into several people's PT - Myers, Hosmer, Kim & we may even see Cronenworth resting more so we don't see a late season fade again like last year. I'm assuming O'Grady is the odd man out (if so, good that he hit a HR in his final game). Or, do they finally pull the plug on Mateo (I don't think so)? I hope they keep Mateo. He'll be a good weapon in the playoffs.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 25, 2021 18:31:01 GMT -8
Team is in active dialogue with the Rangers about Gallo. The expectation would be that Hosmer is moved in that deal, if the teams can agree on salary.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 25, 2021 19:02:11 GMT -8
Team is in active dialogue with the Rangers about Gallo. The expectation would be that Hosmer is moved in that deal, if the teams can agree on salary. Hopefully that happens.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 26, 2021 0:04:27 GMT -8
Team is in active dialogue with the Rangers about Gallo. The expectation would be that Hosmer is moved in that deal, if the teams can agree on salary. Hopefully that happens. Idk, not sure that it's worth the price in prospects to get Gallo considering that we already have Frazier. It seems more important to get a starting pitcher at this point. Hosmer and Myers form a Lefty/Righty platoon, with Frasier playing 2B/RF. Upgrading Hosmer to Gallo is good, but means even less playing time for Myers (and Pham). Would love to dump Hosmer's salary, but would prefer to do it in a way that doesn't mean losing a ton of talent. And the Rangers asking price for Gallo scares me. IMO, Gallo to SD isn't happening anymore. I'm sure they are talking, but...
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 26, 2021 0:17:13 GMT -8
Like a deal with the Cubs for Kris Bryant or Anthony Rizzo + Zach Davies in return for Hosmer + prospects seems more likely.
Or CJ Cron + Jon Gray for Hosmer + prospects (although I don't like the long term implications of giving the Rockies a bunch of prospects).
Gallo + Gibson is going to mean giving up Hassell, and I don't know that it's worth the cost when we are most likely headed for the wild card And we already have Frazier.
Campusano I would be fine with trading because I don't think he sticks as a catcher, Gore is untradable because of how bad he has been over the last year and a half, and the Padres shouldn't consider giving up Hassell or Abrams IMO
I mean you know more then I do here. Hope that we don't lose too much prospect talent if that deal happens.
Reminds me of how the Padres lost Derrick Lee to the Marlins for a year of Kevin Brown... great pitcher yes, but they gave up so many cheap, productive years of Derrick Lee.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 26, 2021 7:07:06 GMT -8
Idk, not sure that it's worth the price in prospects to get Gallo considering that we already have Frazier. It seems more important to get a starting pitcher at this point. Hosmer and Myers form a Lefty/Righty platoon, with Frasier playing 2B/RF. Upgrading Hosmer to Gallo is good, but means even less playing time for Myers (and Pham). Would love to dump Hosmer's salary, but would prefer to do it in a way that doesn't mean losing a ton of talent. And the Rangers asking price for Gallo scares me. IMO, Gallo to SD isn't happening anymore. I'm sure they are talking, but... You should want to upgrade from guys who aren't good to players who are very good. Moving Hosmer's contract gives them financial flexibility. You're not going to dump Hosmer's salary in any other way, as no team is going to take on that money by itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 7:07:56 GMT -8
Like a deal with the Cubs for Kris Bryant or Anthony Rizzo + Zach Davies in return for Hosmer + prospects seems more likely. Or CJ Cron + Jon Gray for Hosmer + prospects (although I don't like the long term implications of giving the Rockies a bunch of prospects). Gallo + Gibson is going to mean giving up Hassell, and I don't know that it's worth the cost when we are most likely headed for the wild card And we already have Frazier. Campusano I would be fine with trading because I don't think he sticks as a catcher, Gore is untradable because of how bad he has been over the last year and a half, and the Padres shouldn't consider giving up Hassell or Abrams IMO I mean you know more then I do here. Hope that we don't lose too much prospect talent if that deal happens. Reminds me of how the Padres lost Derrick Lee to the Marlins for a year of Kevin Brown... great pitcher yes, but they gave up so many cheap, productive years of Derrick Lee. True, but they got to the Series. That was pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 7:09:07 GMT -8
If I am AJ Preller, I'd be open minded to dealing any prospects not named Hassell or Abrams. To me, both are off limits.
But then again, I'm not Preller. Get your popcorn ready, the next few days should be interesting.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 26, 2021 7:10:12 GMT -8
Like a deal with the Cubs for Kris Bryant or Anthony Rizzo + Zach Davies in return for Hosmer + prospects seems more likely. Or CJ Cron + Jon Gray for Hosmer + prospects (although I don't like the long term implications of giving the Rockies a bunch of prospects). Gallo + Gibson is going to mean giving up Hassell, and I don't know that it's worth the cost when we are most likely headed for the wild card And we already have Frazier. Campusano I would be fine with trading because I don't think he sticks as a catcher, Gore is untradable because of how bad he has been over the last year and a half, and the Padres shouldn't consider giving up Hassell or Abrams IMO I mean you know more then I do here. Hope that we don't lose too much prospect talent if that deal happens. Reminds me of how the Padres lost Derrick Lee to the Marlins for a year of Kevin Brown... great pitcher yes, but they gave up so many cheap, productive years of Derrick Lee. None of this is more likely. Bryant is a rental who has been awful for the last month or more. Rizzo's another first base only guy who doesn't give you any versatility and is more good than great. The Rockies won't trade within the division and Cron isn't anywhere near as good as Gallo. You're trying to trade for impact pieces to win the division, point blank. None of these moves are being made with the wild card in mind. The Padres are set to blow past the luxury tax for the first time in history. Abrams isn't going anywhere, but I could see Hassell moved in a deal. Campusano's a catcher unless the concussions become a real issue, which is a possibility. He's already had two. Kevin Brown has the single best season in terms of WAR in Padre history, but that whole deal was so long ago that it really doesn't have much bearing here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 7:17:52 GMT -8
From Jim Bowden's trade musings, here is a deal I would make all day long. theathletic.com/2729647/2021/07/26/bowden-three-trades-id-like-to-see-the-giants-dodgers-and-padres-make-this-week-in-the-wild-wild-nl-west/3. Twins trade RHP José Berríos and LHP Taylor Rogers to the Padres for LHP Ryan Weathers, INF Eguy Rosario and OF Joshua Mears The Twins are in full-out “sell” mode and listening on all offers. They are not confident they’ll be able to extend their best starting pitcher, José Berríos, whose trade value will never be higher than it is right now because he’s signed through the 2022 season. (Berríos is arbitration-eligible next year.) To land the two-time All-Star, a team will need to offer a young major-league starter and two top-10 type prospects. With a deep farm system, the Padres could make a trade without parting with any of their top four prospects: MacKenzie Gore, CJ Abrams, Robert Hassell III and Luis Campusano. In this proposed deal, Weathers would immediately enter the Twins rotation, Rosario would become a top utility infield prospect and be sent to Double A, and Mears would be assigned to A-ball. To pay that type of prospect price, it’s reasonable for the Padres to make the Twins include Rogers, an All-Star this season, as part of the package. Padres get: Berríos, 27, is one of the best young, proven right-handed starters in the AL. He’s 7-5 in 20 starts this season with a 3.48 ERA and 126 strikeouts in 121 2/3 innings. From 2018 to 2019, he averaged 196 1/3 innings per season with a 3.76 ERA over 64 starts. The Padres have a legitimate chance of winning a world championship over the next two seasons, and Berríos would certainly boost their odds. One of the most consistent left-handed relievers in the majors over the last six years, Rogers, 30, has posted a 3.15 ERA in 314 2/3 innings during that span with just 2.2 walks per 9 innings and 10.3 strikeouts per 9. This season, he’s registered a 3.35 ERA with 59 strikeouts and only eight walks in 40 1/3 innings (39 games). Rogers is signed through 2022 and eligible for arbitration next year. Twins get: Weathers, 21, would be the key to this trade for Minnesota because they would control him through 2026 and he has the potential to develop into a top-of-the-rotation starter. This season, Weathers is 4-2 with a 2.73 ERA in 12 starts and six relief appearances. His repertoire includes a mid-90s fastball, hard slider and changeup. Opponents hit .284 against his fastball, .149 against his 87 mph slider and are just 1-for-10 against his changeup, which he rarely throws. Mears, 20, is a strong, athletic outfielder with light-tower power, which is his best tool. I think he’ll hit enough for his power to play. A second-round draft pick in 2019, Mears has posted a .945 OPS with 13 home runs and 32 RBIs in 58 games this season at Low-A Lake Elsinore. Rosario, 21, is a right-handed hitter who profiles as utility infielder. He can play second, short and third with slightly below-average defensive skills across the board. Offensively, he’s a line-drive hitter who sprays the ball around and displays gap power. He’s a plus runner with a plus arm.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 7:18:55 GMT -8
Ryan,
What's the skinny on Mears? I am not familiar with him, but I'd bet you are.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 26, 2021 7:38:05 GMT -8
From Jim Bowden's trade musings, here is a deal I would make all day long. theathletic.com/2729647/2021/07/26/bowden-three-trades-id-like-to-see-the-giants-dodgers-and-padres-make-this-week-in-the-wild-wild-nl-west/3. Twins trade RHP José Berríos and LHP Taylor Rogers to the Padres for LHP Ryan Weathers, INF Eguy Rosario and OF Joshua Mears The Twins are in full-out “sell” mode and listening on all offers. They are not confident they’ll be able to extend their best starting pitcher, José Berríos, whose trade value will never be higher than it is right now because he’s signed through the 2022 season. (Berríos is arbitration-eligible next year.) To land the two-time All-Star, a team will need to offer a young major-league starter and two top-10 type prospects. With a deep farm system, the Padres could make a trade without parting with any of their top four prospects: MacKenzie Gore, CJ Abrams, Robert Hassell III and Luis Campusano. In this proposed deal, Weathers would immediately enter the Twins rotation, Rosario would become a top utility infield prospect and be sent to Double A, and Mears would be assigned to A-ball. To pay that type of prospect price, it’s reasonable for the Padres to make the Twins include Rogers, an All-Star this season, as part of the package. Padres get: Berríos, 27, is one of the best young, proven right-handed starters in the AL. He’s 7-5 in 20 starts this season with a 3.48 ERA and 126 strikeouts in 121 2/3 innings. From 2018 to 2019, he averaged 196 1/3 innings per season with a 3.76 ERA over 64 starts. The Padres have a legitimate chance of winning a world championship over the next two seasons, and Berríos would certainly boost their odds. One of the most consistent left-handed relievers in the majors over the last six years, Rogers, 30, has posted a 3.15 ERA in 314 2/3 innings during that span with just 2.2 walks per 9 innings and 10.3 strikeouts per 9. This season, he’s registered a 3.35 ERA with 59 strikeouts and only eight walks in 40 1/3 innings (39 games). Rogers is signed through 2022 and eligible for arbitration next year. Twins get: Weathers, 21, would be the key to this trade for Minnesota because they would control him through 2026 and he has the potential to develop into a top-of-the-rotation starter. This season, Weathers is 4-2 with a 2.73 ERA in 12 starts and six relief appearances. His repertoire includes a mid-90s fastball, hard slider and changeup. Opponents hit .284 against his fastball, .149 against his 87 mph slider and are just 1-for-10 against his changeup, which he rarely throws. Mears, 20, is a strong, athletic outfielder with light-tower power, which is his best tool. I think he’ll hit enough for his power to play. A second-round draft pick in 2019, Mears has posted a .945 OPS with 13 home runs and 32 RBIs in 58 games this season at Low-A Lake Elsinore. Rosario, 21, is a right-handed hitter who profiles as utility infielder. He can play second, short and third with slightly below-average defensive skills across the board. Offensively, he’s a line-drive hitter who sprays the ball around and displays gap power. He’s a plus runner with a plus arm. Mears was just hurt last week and is currently on the 7 day IL. The Twins I don't think would make that deal, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 9:31:49 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 26, 2021 10:26:36 GMT -8
Ryan, What's the skinny on Mears? I am not familiar with him, but I'd bet you are. Huge raw power with a lot of swing and miss. But interestingly enough, the walk rate is a lot more encouraging than most expected, nearly 15%. That could be a byproduct of really bad pitching at the level, though, somewhat. He's cut his K rate down over the last month or so to around 31%. Really good athlete for his size, at 6-3, 230. Late bloomer type out of the Pacific Northwest, same high school as Jalen McDaniels. Didn't get seen a ton on the showcase circuit, was committed to Purdue originally before signing. He hurt himself diving in the outfield last week.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 26, 2021 10:51:44 GMT -8
Ryan, What's the skinny on Mears? I am not familiar with him, but I'd bet you are. Huge raw power with a lot of swing and miss. But interestingly enough, the walk rate is a lot more encouraging than most expected, nearly 15%. That could be a byproduct of really bad pitching at the level, though, somewhat. He's cut his K rate down over the last month or so to around 31%. Really good athlete for his size, at 6-3, 230. Late bloomer type out of the Pacific Northwest, same high school as Jalen McDaniels. Didn't get seen a ton on the showcase circuit, was committed to Purdue originally before signing. He hurt himself diving in the outfield last week. Wish I had stayed for that second HR by Mears. It would have been fun watching that one disappear.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 26, 2021 11:08:47 GMT -8
Huge raw power with a lot of swing and miss. But interestingly enough, the walk rate is a lot more encouraging than most expected, nearly 15%. That could be a byproduct of really bad pitching at the level, though, somewhat. He's cut his K rate down over the last month or so to around 31%. Really good athlete for his size, at 6-3, 230. Late bloomer type out of the Pacific Northwest, same high school as Jalen McDaniels. Didn't get seen a ton on the showcase circuit, was committed to Purdue originally before signing. He hurt himself diving in the outfield last week. Wish I had stayed for that second HR by Mears. It would have been fun watching that one disappear. The home run he hit after almost being hit in the head with an offspeed pitch was nuts.
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Post by junior on Jul 26, 2021 11:43:10 GMT -8
The Padres are set to blow past the luxury tax for the first time in history. Abrams isn't going anywhere, but I could see Hassell moved in a deal. Campusano's a catcher unless the concussions become a real issue, which is a possibility. He's already had two. Kevin Brown has the single best season in terms of WAR in Padre history, but that whole deal was so long ago that it really doesn't have much bearing here. This might be the biggest Padres' story ever - all by itself - for the Padres to come anywhere near the luxury tax is news. I guess it's in for a dime, in for a dollar…And a deal for Scherzer would nearly equal the Kevin Brown acquisition in terms of immediate impact. I like to think of these things in terms of If it can happen, it sure might happen… But not holding my breath.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 26, 2021 11:47:27 GMT -8
The Padres are set to blow past the luxury tax for the first time in history. Abrams isn't going anywhere, but I could see Hassell moved in a deal. Campusano's a catcher unless the concussions become a real issue, which is a possibility. He's already had two. Kevin Brown has the single best season in terms of WAR in Padre history, but that whole deal was so long ago that it really doesn't have much bearing here. This might be the biggest Padres' story ever - all by itself - for the Padres to come anywhere near the luxury tax is news. I guess it's in for a dime, in for a dollar…And a deal for Scherzer would nearly equal the Kevin Brown acquisition in terms of immediate impact. I like to think of these things in terms of If it can happen, it sure might happen… But not holding my breath. Oh they are VERY in on Scherzer.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 26, 2021 22:22:08 GMT -8
If Hosmer rests once every five games and Meyers rests once every five games and Machado, Fernando, Cronenworth, Frasier, Pham, and Grisham rest once every 10 games it works. And play at AL teams gives them more playing days. I don't think having Fraser will take significant playing time away from anyone and Fraser can play 9 out of 10 games. Profar and Kim will get the most reduction in playing time. Having at least one of those players mentioned on the bench every game will really improve our pinch-hitting prospects.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 26, 2021 23:01:32 GMT -8
Like a deal with the Cubs for Kris Bryant or Anthony Rizzo + Zach Davies in return for Hosmer + prospects seems more likely. Or CJ Cron + Jon Gray for Hosmer + prospects (although I don't like the long term implications of giving the Rockies a bunch of prospects). Gallo + Gibson is going to mean giving up Hassell, and I don't know that it's worth the cost when we are most likely headed for the wild card And we already have Frazier. Campusano I would be fine with trading because I don't think he sticks as a catcher, Gore is untradable because of how bad he has been over the last year and a half, and the Padres shouldn't consider giving up Hassell or Abrams IMO I mean you know more then I do here. Hope that we don't lose too much prospect talent if that deal happens. Reminds me of how the Padres lost Derrick Lee to the Marlins for a year of Kevin Brown... great pitcher yes, but they gave up so many cheap, productive years of Derrick Lee. None of this is more likely. Bryant is a rental who has been awful for the last month or more. Rizzo's another first base only guy who doesn't give you any versatility and is more good than great. The Rockies won't trade within the division and Cron isn't anywhere near as good as Gallo. You're trying to trade for impact pieces to win the division, point blank. None of these moves are being made with the wild card in mind. The Padres are set to blow past the luxury tax for the first time in history. Abrams isn't going anywhere, but I could see Hassell moved in a deal. Campusano's a catcher unless the concussions become a real issue, which is a possibility. He's already had two. Kevin Brown has the single best season in terms of WAR in Padre history, but that whole deal was so long ago that it really doesn't have much bearing here. Agree to disagree: "There’s no indication that any deal is imminent, nor are any trading partners mentioned. But the appeal of acquiring Hosmer wouldn’t be so much about Hosmer himself. “The Padres likely would have to attach significant prospect value” to trade Hosmer, says Rosenthal. So, any team acquiring Hosmer would need to have enough payroll space to pay him, but with an eye towards the future production the prospects would provide. Speculatively speaking, the Cubs could be a fit. They’ve seemingly already started a sell-off, trading Joc Pederson to Atlanta earlier this month. First baseman and impending free agent Anthony Rizzo seems destined to be traded, unless the team can work out an extension. Javier Baez and Kris Bryant are also coming off the books at year’s end, or even sooner, creating more payroll space." www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/padres-discussing-eric-hosmer-trades.htmlA return to the Royals is another intriguing possibility. They’ve been in rebuild mode since Hosmer left but tried to re-emerge as contenders with some aggressive moves in the most recent offseason. But that hasn’t gone as planned, as they are currently 42-55 and definite sellers as Friday’s 4pm trade deadline approaches. Acquiring Hosmer and some prospects could be a way to improve for future seasons while re-acquiring a fan favorite who was part of a World Series winner to help open the next competitive window. The Orioles and Tigers could also consider taking on Hosmer’s contract as a way of bolstering their prospect inventory." First of all, Rizzo is an upgrade over Hosmer, and so is Bryant. You move Hosmer's contract to get out from under the luxury tax, and in order to open up payroll to for futures moves, either via free agency signings or trade. You see a Gallo deal happening that is a major upgrade to the roster and keeps us above the luxury tax. I see a different deal happening, where we get a slight upgrade on Hosmer for a one year rental at first base, and we get to get out from underneath Hosmer's contract so that we can trade for and sign Gallo to an extension (next year), or we trade for or sign another high quality bat in the future. Campusano doesn't know what he's doing behind the plate right now - that may change over time. He looked bad behind the plate in the majors. I have a lot more faith in his bat then his ability to play the position. I agree that the Rockies are a longshot. But the Cubs make a heck of a lot of sense here, especially because you can do an impactful deal and hold onto your best prospects.
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