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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 16:51:13 GMT -8
A) You have no proof he turned towards them. Not shown clearly on video at all. You can make up random hypotheticals all day, if you choose, to try and change the story. B) They fired countless shots into his body AFTER HE WAS DEAD. Then, they handcuffed his corpse. Did they try and render aid like they are legally obligated to? Makes you wonder. C) No, not everything. Only people who refuse to comment with integrity on the senseless acts of violence against people of color, who then make things worse by providing excuses for the police (who, if you don't want to take a risk, I don't know...Don't be a COP?) when they do things such as this. And you're right, I really don't care because you're incapable of critical analysis or debate. I guess you didn't see the photos of it. If he shot at the officers first, of course they're going to assume he still has a gun. You can hide behind your response of, "It's a hypothetical" but let's say it's been proven that he did shoot at them first? Also, like I've always said, there's good and bad cops of every color, just like in every occupation of life. But, unlike you, I don't run to the race card, and assume it's a racist act each and every time a person of color is involved in a police officer incident. You come off as a radical, but I'm sure you're proud of that. Whatever Yes, as you've said before (like always, no matter what)...you both sides everything. You render mild criticism while making excuses at the same time, which renders your criticism moot. It's like clockwork. You're unwilling to take a firm stance on literally anything. How is "Stop killing unarmed Black people" a radical statement? Things like that make you seem not so subtly racist. If you're genuinely unaware? Fix it. Educate yourself. What I'm proud of is taking a stand against inequality and caring about others. What I'm proud of is promoting issues of social justice and criminal justice reform by police departments who have shield immunity and escape prosecution for killing unarmed civilians. In case you missed it the first time, or the second time, or even the third time...Absolutely nothing justifies what they did to Jayland Walker. Nothing. Not. One. Thing. I hope that's clear enough for you to absorb. If it's not, I'm sorry. Every single officer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 17:30:23 GMT -8
I guess you didn't see the photos of it. If he shot at the officers first, of course they're going to assume he still has a gun. You can hide behind your response of, "It's a hypothetical" but let's say it's been proven that he did shoot at them first? Also, like I've always said, there's good and bad cops of every color, just like in every occupation of life. But, unlike you, I don't run to the race card, and assume it's a racist act each and every time a person of color is involved in a police officer incident. You come off as a radical, but I'm sure you're proud of that. Whatever Yes, as you've said before (like always, no matter what)...you both sides everything. You render mild criticism while making excuses at the same time, which renders your criticism moot. It's like clockwork. You're unwilling to take a firm stance on literally anything. How is "Stop killing unarmed Black people" a radical statement? Things like that make you seem not so subtly racist. If you're genuinely unaware? Fix it. Educate yourself. What I'm proud of is taking a stand against inequality and caring about others. What I'm proud of is promoting issues of social justice and criminal justice reform by police departments who have shield immunity and escape prosecution for killing unarmed civilians. In case you missed it the first time, or the second time, or even the third time...Absolutely nothing justifies what they did to Jayland Walker. Nothing. Not. One. Thing. I hope that's clear enough for you to absorb. If it's not, I'm sorry. Every single officer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No. What I do is take it case by case and look at the evidence. For one example, Chauvin was guilty, for sure, no doubt. It's absolutely true that there's good and bad people in every walk of life and I have the ability to separate issues when needed, something you can't/won't do. Fix it. You're so very wrong to say (if it's true what's being reported) that there was no justification AT ALL for the police officers to defend themselves in that situation. If they're trained to shoot to kill someone who's already shot at them, and has run with a ski mask on, then promptly turns to face them after they have to assume he's armed, then they followed protocol. If their trained to handcuff an individual, no matter what the situation is, then that's following protocol. Since you like to make things racial and constantly pull out the race card, I'm sure the black police officer hit him with bullets as well. So, there's that. You love to make a serious issue, for example, like someone shooting at an officer first, and then the police officers assuming, naturally, that the individual still has that weapon on him while he's running away from the cops and then turns to face them, and try to make that out to be an excuse. That's really horrible. It's not an excuse. It's life or death, bud. Don't shoot at police officers first, don't run, period, and then turn and face them. They have split second timing to decipher things. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 17:52:37 GMT -8
I'm wondering if it was suicide by cop. His fiance died a month ago. He left his ring on the front seat, as well as the gun, and magazine.
Who knows. Maybe that will come up. Why take your ring off, if he did, and leave it on the seat? Strange.
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 18:03:17 GMT -8
Yes, as you've said before (like always, no matter what)...you both sides everything. You render mild criticism while making excuses at the same time, which renders your criticism moot. It's like clockwork. You're unwilling to take a firm stance on literally anything. How is "Stop killing unarmed Black people" a radical statement? Things like that make you seem not so subtly racist. If you're genuinely unaware? Fix it. Educate yourself. What I'm proud of is taking a stand against inequality and caring about others. What I'm proud of is promoting issues of social justice and criminal justice reform by police departments who have shield immunity and escape prosecution for killing unarmed civilians. In case you missed it the first time, or the second time, or even the third time...Absolutely nothing justifies what they did to Jayland Walker. Nothing. Not. One. Thing. I hope that's clear enough for you to absorb. If it's not, I'm sorry. Every single officer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. No. What I do is take it case by case and look at the evidence. For one example, Chauvin was guilty, for sure, no doubt. It's absolutely true that there's good and bad people in every walk of life and I have the ability to separate issues when needed, something you can't/won't do. Fix it. You're so very wrong to say (if it's true what's being reported) that there was no justification AT ALL for the police officers to defend themselves in that situation. If they're trained to shoot to kill someone who's already shot at them, and has run with a ski mask on, then promptly turns to face them after they have to assume he's armed, then they followed protocol. If their trained to handcuff an individual, no matter what the situation is, then that's following protocol. Since you like to make things racial and constantly pull out the race card, I'm sure the black police officer hit him with bullets as well. So, there's that. You love to make a serious issue, for example, like someone shooting at an officer first, and then the police officers assuming, naturally, that the individual still has that weapon on him while he's running away from the cops and then turns to face them, and try to make that out to be an excuse. That's really horrible. It's not an excuse. It's life or death, bud. Don't shoot at police officers first, don't run, period, and then turn and face them. They have split second timing to decipher things. But you don't look at the evidence. You live in a box where you consume information and trust it because it fits your side of the story. The evidence here, the only evidence that matters...is that Jayland Walker was shot 60 times and was unarmed. I don't care if he had a grenade launcher (Facetious)...that is cruel, unnecessary and it's not a question of defense at that point. It's murder. He was dead long before they finished emptying their magazines into his body while he was on the ground. The Akron PD waited to choose this day so they could orchestrate a press conference to reduce racial tension and quell potential riots. The names and places change, the story remains the same. You already saw the statistics. Kim Potter? 24 months, probably serves 14 months, for KILLING SOMEONE. A twenty-year-old. That's the price of Daunte Wright's life. 14 months. Police have unparalleled authority to use deadly force when they can justify any situation with a threat to public/personal safety. They are shielded from prosecution with union protection. They have essentially carte blanche to do what they do and largely are protected from consequence while families are left in ruins. And yet how do you explain what happened in Kentucky when a White man shoots and kills multiple police officers and a K-9....yet is somehow taken into custody peacefully? He was armed. Yet he's alive and Jayland Walker and countless others are dead. There is an obvious racial double standard that you're choosing to ignore, despite claims of looking at the evidence. And then you just list excuses for them, as always. You make it about them, their bravery, their courage....it takes zero courage to shoot someone 60 times who doesn't even have a weapon. And if you think it's protocol to handcuff a dead person? Well, you might want to research that. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 18:19:39 GMT -8
No. What I do is take it case by case and look at the evidence. For one example, Chauvin was guilty, for sure, no doubt. It's absolutely true that there's good and bad people in every walk of life and I have the ability to separate issues when needed, something you can't/won't do. Fix it. You're so very wrong to say (if it's true what's being reported) that there was no justification AT ALL for the police officers to defend themselves in that situation. If they're trained to shoot to kill someone who's already shot at them, and has run with a ski mask on, then promptly turns to face them after they have to assume he's armed, then they followed protocol. If their trained to handcuff an individual, no matter what the situation is, then that's following protocol. Since you like to make things racial and constantly pull out the race card, I'm sure the black police officer hit him with bullets as well. So, there's that. You love to make a serious issue, for example, like someone shooting at an officer first, and then the police officers assuming, naturally, that the individual still has that weapon on him while he's running away from the cops and then turns to face them, and try to make that out to be an excuse. That's really horrible. It's not an excuse. It's life or death, bud. Don't shoot at police officers first, don't run, period, and then turn and face them. They have split second timing to decipher things. But you don't look at the evidence. You live in a box where you consume information and trust it because it fits your side of the story. The evidence here, the only evidence that matters...is that Jayland Walker was shot 60 times and was unarmed. I don't care if he had a grenade launcher (Facetious)...that is cruel, unnecessary and it's not a question of defense at that point. It's murder. He was dead long before they finished emptying their magazines into his body while he was on the ground. The Akron PD waited to choose this day so they could orchestrate a press conference to reduce racial tension and quell potential riots. The names and places change, the story remains the same. You already saw the statistics. Kim Potter? 24 months, probably serves 14 months, for KILLING SOMEONE. A twenty-year-old. That's the price of Daunte Wright's life. 14 months. Police have unparalleled authority to use deadly force when they can justify any situation with a threat to public/personal safety. They are shielded from prosecution with union protection. They have essentially carte blanche to do what they do and largely are protected from consequence while families are left in ruins. And yet how do you explain what happened in Kentucky when a White man shoots and kills multiple police officers and a K-9....yet is somehow taken into custody peacefully? He was armed. Yet he's alive and Jayland Walker and countless others are dead. There is an obvious racial double standard that you're choosing to ignore, despite claims of looking at the evidence. And then you just list excuses for them, as always. You make it about them, their bravery, their courage....it takes zero courage to shoot someone 60 times who doesn't even have a weapon. And if you think it's protocol to handcuff a dead person? Well, you might want to research that. Ryan, do you not expect police officers to shoot right away in a scenario where an individual shoots at a police officer, then runs, and when police catch up to him he turns around to face them? Do you think they should wait and see if he has a gun, then shoot, which would be too late? You can take this as hypothetical. I don't care. What's your answer to this? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 19:16:34 GMT -8
But you don't look at the evidence. You live in a box where you consume information and trust it because it fits your side of the story. The evidence here, the only evidence that matters...is that Jayland Walker was shot 60 times and was unarmed. I don't care if he had a grenade launcher (Facetious)...that is cruel, unnecessary and it's not a question of defense at that point. It's murder. He was dead long before they finished emptying their magazines into his body while he was on the ground. The Akron PD waited to choose this day so they could orchestrate a press conference to reduce racial tension and quell potential riots. The names and places change, the story remains the same. You already saw the statistics. Kim Potter? 24 months, probably serves 14 months, for KILLING SOMEONE. A twenty-year-old. That's the price of Daunte Wright's life. 14 months. Police have unparalleled authority to use deadly force when they can justify any situation with a threat to public/personal safety. They are shielded from prosecution with union protection. They have essentially carte blanche to do what they do and largely are protected from consequence while families are left in ruins. And yet how do you explain what happened in Kentucky when a White man shoots and kills multiple police officers and a K-9....yet is somehow taken into custody peacefully? He was armed. Yet he's alive and Jayland Walker and countless others are dead. There is an obvious racial double standard that you're choosing to ignore, despite claims of looking at the evidence. And then you just list excuses for them, as always. You make it about them, their bravery, their courage....it takes zero courage to shoot someone 60 times who doesn't even have a weapon. And if you think it's protocol to handcuff a dead person? Well, you might want to research that. Ryan, do you not expect police officers to shoot right away in a scenario where an individual shoots at a police officer, then runs, and when police catch up to him he turns around to face them? Do you think they should wait and see if he has a gun, then shoot, which would be too late? You can take this as hypothetical. I don't care. What's your answer to this? To serve and protect. Not to serve and assassinate unarmed citizens who are running away from them. The less lethal measures conveniently didn't work. They aren't properly trained (this is why PERT's were created) and it shows in incidents like this one. They can commit what equates to murder and get away scot free, because they can construct a narrative that they thought he had a weapon. Oops. Just another dead person. And now they are tear gassing protesters in downtown Akron. So it continues... |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 19:40:44 GMT -8
Ryan, do you not expect police officers to shoot right away in a scenario where an individual shoots at a police officer, then runs, and when police catch up to him he turns around to face them? Do you think they should wait and see if he has a gun, then shoot, which would be too late? You can take this as hypothetical. I don't care. What's your answer to this? To serve and protect. Not to serve and assassinate unarmed citizens who are running away from them. The less lethal measures conveniently didn't work. They aren't properly trained (this is why PERT's were created) and it shows in incidents like this one. They can commit what equates to murder and get away scot free, because they can construct a narrative that they thought he had a weapon. Oops. Just another dead person. And now they are tear gassing protesters in downtown Akron. So it continues... He was running, but then turned to face them. He wasn't running anymore. I'll step away from this with you. You're too far gone with your hard headed thoughts. To each his own. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 19:53:09 GMT -8
To serve and protect. Not to serve and assassinate unarmed citizens who are running away from them. The less lethal measures conveniently didn't work. They aren't properly trained (this is why PERT's were created) and it shows in incidents like this one. They can commit what equates to murder and get away scot free, because they can construct a narrative that they thought he had a weapon. Oops. Just another dead person. And now they are tear gassing protesters in downtown Akron. So it continues... He was running, but then turned to face them. He wasn't running anymore. I'll step away from this with you. You're too far gone with your hard headed thoughts. To each his own. Show me proof he turned around. (It doesn't matter, because turning around doesn't mean you should be riddled with 60 bullet holes) "We thought he had a weapon." "He made what was perceived to be a threatening motion." "He reached for something." "We entered the wrong apartment." "We recovered a weapon." It's always a narrative that the police can construct to keep the control. I'm just not naive enough to blindly accept it on principle at face value. If you believe he deserved to be shot 60 times, then I'm sorry, but we will never fundamentally agree on that. You want to blame the victim, I want the poorly trained, white supremacy upholding police to be held accountable for their actions. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 20:05:04 GMT -8
He was running, but then turned to face them. He wasn't running anymore. I'll step away from this with you. You're too far gone with your hard headed thoughts. To each his own. Show me proof he turned around. (It doesn't matter, because turning around doesn't mean you should be riddled with 60 bullet holes) "We thought he had a weapon." "He made what was perceived to be a threatening motion." "He reached for something." "We entered the wrong apartment." "We recovered a weapon." It's always a narrative that the police can construct to keep the control. I'm just not naive enough to blindly accept it on principle at face value. If you believe he deserved to be shot 60 times, then I'm sorry, but we will never fundamentally agree on that. You want to blame the victim, I want the poorly trained, white supremacy upholding police to be held accountable for their actions. Do you believe that this is, in your view, more about officers being poorly trained? Or, do you believe that all incidents like this are mainly because white cops are racist, and they simply wanted to kill the black man? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 20:18:42 GMT -8
Show me proof he turned around. (It doesn't matter, because turning around doesn't mean you should be riddled with 60 bullet holes) "We thought he had a weapon." "He made what was perceived to be a threatening motion." "He reached for something." "We entered the wrong apartment." "We recovered a weapon." It's always a narrative that the police can construct to keep the control. I'm just not naive enough to blindly accept it on principle at face value. If you believe he deserved to be shot 60 times, then I'm sorry, but we will never fundamentally agree on that. You want to blame the victim, I want the poorly trained, white supremacy upholding police to be held accountable for their actions. Do you believe that this is, in your view, more about officers being poorly trained? Or, do you believe that all incidents like this are mainly because white cops are racist, and they simply wanted to kill the black man? Variable mixture of both. Poor training killed Alfred Olango, for example. I know, I was 50 feet away when it happened. PERT was unavailable and on another call, so officers attempted to deescalate a situation and ended up killing Olango. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 20:50:16 GMT -8
Do you believe that this is, in your view, more about officers being poorly trained? Or, do you believe that all incidents like this are mainly because white cops are racist, and they simply wanted to kill the black man? Variable mixture of both. Poor training killed Alfred Olango, for example. I know, I was 50 feet away when it happened. PERT was unavailable and on another call, so officers attempted to deescalate a situation and ended up killing Olango. Why did the one black officer fire on him? Just trying to understand your logic. |
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Post by azteccc on Jul 3, 2022 20:57:47 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 21:10:42 GMT -8
Variable mixture of both. Poor training killed Alfred Olango, for example. I know, I was 50 feet away when it happened. PERT was unavailable and on another call, so officers attempted to deescalate a situation and ended up killing Olango. Why did the one black officer fire on him? Just trying to understand your logic. What was he supposed to do? |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 21:38:05 GMT -8
Why did the one black officer fire on him? Just trying to understand your logic. What was he supposed to do? What we're ALL of them supposed to do? I believe if there's fault, it's in training, and not because of racism. Or, do you believe that the black officer is not a racist, but all of the seven white police officers are? I HIGHLY doubt any of them said to themselves, "This is a great time to kill a black person." It was a high stress moment, and happened in a flash. They all shot at the same time. Something they're trained to do. I'll wait for more evidence to come out, as well. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 3, 2022 21:48:57 GMT -8
I don't need to read those articles to know that there's corruption in law enforcement, or that there's a high percentage of police officers and firemen that cheat on their wives, and abuse them. I've known a few of them, unfortunately. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 22:49:54 GMT -8
What was he supposed to do? What we're ALL of them supposed to do? I believe if there's fault, it's in training, and not because of racism. Or, do you believe that the black officer is not a racist, but all of the seven police officers are? I HIGHLY doubt any of them said to themselves, "This is a great time to kill a black person." It was a high stress moment, and happened in a flash. They all shot at the same time. Something they're trained to do. I'll wait for more evidence to come out, as well. I think you're using a hollow and disingenuous narrative to provide a faulty conclusion. What I said was that these incidents combine both racism and poor training/vetting, not that these any cops specifically were acting in a racist manner. You still haven't been able to produce anything that shows that Jayland Walker acted aggressively, turned towards the officers or did anything that necessitated what ultimately transpired. We have all the evidence we need - There's nothing that justifies what happened. Period. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jul 3, 2022 22:54:51 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Jul 3, 2022 23:45:56 GMT -8
I don't need to read those articles to know that there's corruption in law enforcement, or that there's a high percentage of police officers and firemen that cheat on their wives, and abuse them. I've known a few of them, unfortunately. From seeing your back and forth in this thread, it appears that you tend to give LEOs the benefit of the doubt. That means you need to read more. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 3, 2022 23:58:58 GMT -8
What we're ALL of them supposed to do? I believe if there's fault, it's in training, and not because of racism. Or, do you believe that the black officer is not a racist, but all of the seven police officers are? I HIGHLY doubt any of them said to themselves, "This is a great time to kill a black person." It was a high stress moment, and happened in a flash. They all shot at the same time. Something they're trained to do. I'll wait for more evidence to come out, as well. I think you're using a hollow and disingenuous narrative to provide a faulty conclusion. What I said was that these incidents combine both racism and poor training/vetting, not that these any cops specifically were acting in a racist manner. You still haven't been able to produce anything that shows that Jayland Walker acted aggressively, turned towards the officers or did anything that necessitated what ultimately transpired. We have all the evidence we need - There's nothing that justifies what happened. Period. Shooting at someone is pretty goddamn aggressive last time I checked. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 4, 2022 0:07:04 GMT -8
Do you believe that this is, in your view, more about officers being poorly trained? Or, do you believe that all incidents like this are mainly because white cops are racist, and they simply wanted to kill the black man? Variable mixture of both. Poor training killed Alfred Olango, for example. I know, I was 50 feet away when it happened. PERT was unavailable and on another call, so officers attempted to deescalate a situation and ended up killing Olango. It's funny how you are now making a nuanced point as an explanation for what the issue is with police officers (poor training vs. racism), yet my nuanced point (for why black people come into contact with law enforcement more often) was dismissed by you. It IS POSSIBLE that black people who are poor, come into contact with police officers more then black people who are wealthy. It IS POSSIBLE that the police officers were poorly trained, or that police training needs to be changed (more then possible - it should be changed). It IS POSSIBLE that police officers have unconscious biases against black people. I remember reading an article about a research study that proved that most people are unconsciously biased (unknowingly biased) against black people. That still doesn't make them murderers, it just makes them human beings who react on a subconscious level to stimuli like other animals do in a high adrenaline, life or death situation (any time that an officer is fired at, that's the mindset that they are going to be in). |
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