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Post by RB Aztec on Jun 12, 2021 20:31:00 GMT -8
Anyone who cares more about the name of a mascot vs. the university itself... F you. I will support my alma mater no matter the stupid mascot name. And yeah, I'll increase my donations to help compensate for anyone weak enough to allow a mascot to affect their support to SDSU. Not me. The best way to stop political correctness is to stop financial contributions. You have to hit their pocketbook to stop this nonsense. The phrase is "Aztec for Life", not "Aztec until political correctness takes over". If they ever remove the Aztec name, I will completely cut off all support forever. Getting rid of our Aztec Warrior during stadium fundraising is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
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Post by sdsu69 on Jun 12, 2021 20:36:05 GMT -8
I agree!
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Post by standiego on Jun 13, 2021 10:04:31 GMT -8
Read the actual Written statements by the President of SDSU , Aztec Alums ....
The Name Aztecs IS STAYING - while the outfit worn by the Spirit Leader will be retired
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Post by redaztec5150 on Jun 13, 2021 11:10:30 GMT -8
Read the actual Written statements by the President of SDSU , Aztec Alums .... The Name Aztecs IS STAYING - while the outfit worn by the Spirit Leader will be retired MAYBE FOR NOW, but nothing stated by President de la Torre guarantees that the name Aztecs will remain in perpetuity; this issue will likely continue to be a battle in the years to come until those who want the Aztec name gone forever ultimately prevail. This little victory (getting rid of the Aztec Warrior/Spirit Leader/Whatever the name the university uses), for those who want to get rid of the Aztec name in its entirety, will sustain that movement and are a signal to them that they are on the right track. I think it is naive to think this will satisfy those folks; it will only embolden them towards their long-term goal of changing the Aztec name. This is what I believe; the anti-Aztec folks are playing the long game. Dr. de la Torre's statement: "We are the Aztecs." is very telling to me; she chose this seemingly definitive statement, yet one can interpret that to mean..."for now". If we are truly Aztecs, Dr. de la Torre could've added the clause..."now and forever" and that would be a pretty good sign on where she sees this issue. To me, I feel this issue is not over, again look at the long game, and we are one more step down the road to the Aztecs being retired. I really hope I am proven wrong....just my 2-cents.
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Jun 13, 2021 12:20:24 GMT -8
Read the actual Written statements by the President of SDSU , Aztec Alums .... The Name Aztecs IS STAYING - while the outfit worn by the Spirit Leader will be retired MAYBE FOR NOW, but nothing stated by President de la Torre guarantees that the name Aztecs will remain in perpetuity; this issue will likely continue to be a battle in the years to come until those who want the Aztec name gone forever ultimately prevail. This little victory (getting rid of the Aztec Warrior/Spirit Leader/Whatever the name the university uses), for those who want to get rid of the Aztec name in its entirety, will sustain that movement and are a signal to them that they are on the right track. I think it is naive to think this will satisfy those folks; it will only embolden them towards their long-term goal of changing the Aztec name. This is what I believe; the anti-Aztec folks are playing the long game. Dr. de la Torre's statement: "We are the Aztecs." is very telling to me; she chose this seemingly definitive statement, yet one can interpret that to mean..."for now". If we are truly Aztecs, Dr. de la Torre could've added the clause..."now and forever" and that would be a pretty good sign on where she sees this issue. To me, I feel this issue is not over, again look at the long game, and we are one more step down the road to the Aztecs being retired. I really hope I am proven wrong....just my 2-cents.
Literally nothing anybody could say or do would guarantee that the name stays “forever.” Any statement by the current president of the university on any subject is temporary, as we all are. I don’t think there’s nearly as much interest in this subject amongst the public as this site would lead you to believe. There’s a lot of money tied up in the branding and the cost of a change will always be immense. Regardless of what you make of the largely hypothetical debate, the money will be the biggest reason not to change monikers. My personal take is it isn’t my place to tell people what they’re offended by. For instance, I wouldn’t think the possibility that a college might change its mascot and moniker would be offensive to anybody, and yet…
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Post by myownwords on Jun 13, 2021 14:33:09 GMT -8
MAYBE FOR NOW, but nothing stated by President de la Torre guarantees that the name Aztecs will remain in perpetuity; this issue will likely continue to be a battle in the years to come until those who want the Aztec name gone forever ultimately prevail. This little victory (getting rid of the Aztec Warrior/Spirit Leader/Whatever the name the university uses), for those who want to get rid of the Aztec name in its entirety, will sustain that movement and are a signal to them that they are on the right track. I think it is naive to think this will satisfy those folks; it will only embolden them towards their long-term goal of changing the Aztec name. This is what I believe; the anti-Aztec folks are playing the long game. Dr. de la Torre's statement: "We are the Aztecs." is very telling to me; she chose this seemingly definitive statement, yet one can interpret that to mean..."for now". If we are truly Aztecs, Dr. de la Torre could've added the clause..."now and forever" and that would be a pretty good sign on where she sees this issue. To me, I feel this issue is not over, again look at the long game, and we are one more step down the road to the Aztecs being retired. I really hope I am proven wrong....just my 2-cents.
Literally nothing anybody could say or do would guarantee that the name stays “forever.” Any statement by the current president of the university on any subject is temporary, as we all are. I don’t think there’s nearly as much interest in this subject amongst the public as this site would lead you to believe. There’s a lot of money tied up in the branding and the cost of a change will always be immense. Regardless of what you make of the largely hypothetical debate, the money will be the biggest reason not to change monikers. My personal take is it isn’t my place to tell people what they’re offended by. For instance, I wouldn’t think the possibility that a college might change its mascot and moniker would be offensive to anybody, and yet… I would suggest that the vast majority of "offences" proclaimed by a rather small, but loud faction, are driven by hard core Political Animals, whose agenda is propped up and amplified and financially backed, by academia, Hollywood, and most of the major news and social media.
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Post by aztech on Jun 13, 2021 14:50:31 GMT -8
Literally nothing anybody could say or do would guarantee that the name stays “forever.” Any statement by the current president of the university on any subject is temporary, as we all are. I don’t think there’s nearly as much interest in this subject amongst the public as this site would lead you to believe. There’s a lot of money tied up in the branding and the cost of a change will always be immense. Regardless of what you make of the largely hypothetical debate, the money will be the biggest reason not to change monikers. My personal take is it isn’t my place to tell people what they’re offended by. For instance, I wouldn’t think the possibility that a college might change its mascot and moniker would be offensive to anybody, and yet… I would suggest that the vast majority of "offences" proclaimed by a rather small, but loud faction, are driven by hard core Political Animals, whose agenda is propped up and amplified and financially backed, by academia, Hollywood, and most if the major news and social media. That's a good point. If it's possible to get rid of that ridiculous half-assed Aztec bowl to put something worthy there do you think those skeletons will come out of the closet to bitch about it?
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 13, 2021 14:56:53 GMT -8
MAYBE FOR NOW, but nothing stated by President de la Torre guarantees that the name Aztecs will remain in perpetuity; this issue will likely continue to be a battle in the years to come until those who want the Aztec name gone forever ultimately prevail. This little victory (getting rid of the Aztec Warrior/Spirit Leader/Whatever the name the university uses), for those who want to get rid of the Aztec name in its entirety, will sustain that movement and are a signal to them that they are on the right track. I think it is naive to think this will satisfy those folks; it will only embolden them towards their long-term goal of changing the Aztec name. This is what I believe; the anti-Aztec folks are playing the long game. Dr. de la Torre's statement: "We are the Aztecs." is very telling to me; she chose this seemingly definitive statement, yet one can interpret that to mean..."for now". If we are truly Aztecs, Dr. de la Torre could've added the clause..."now and forever" and that would be a pretty good sign on where she sees this issue. To me, I feel this issue is not over, again look at the long game, and we are one more step down the road to the Aztecs being retired. I really hope I am proven wrong....just my 2-cents.
Literally nothing anybody could say or do would guarantee that the name stays “forever.” Any statement by the current president of the university on any subject is temporary, as we all are. I don’t think there’s nearly as much interest in this subject amongst the public as this site would lead you to believe. There’s a lot of money tied up in the branding and the cost of a change will always be immense. Regardless of what you make of the largely hypothetical debate, the money will be the biggest reason not to change monikers. My personal take is it isn’t my place to tell people what they’re offended by. For instance, I wouldn’t think the possibility that a college might change its mascot and moniker would be offensive to anybody, and yet… A different way to look at it is, a lot of times Companies actually make MORE money when they change uniforms, logos, etc... More gear out there to purchase. Sorta like a different iPhone type every month, it seems like.
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Post by Aztec Empire on Jun 13, 2021 16:01:26 GMT -8
Literally nothing anybody could say or do would guarantee that the name stays “forever.” Any statement by the current president of the university on any subject is temporary, as we all are. I don’t think there’s nearly as much interest in this subject amongst the public as this site would lead you to believe. There’s a lot of money tied up in the branding and the cost of a change will always be immense. Regardless of what you make of the largely hypothetical debate, the money will be the biggest reason not to change monikers. My personal take is it isn’t my place to tell people what they’re offended by. For instance, I wouldn’t think the possibility that a college might change its mascot and moniker would be offensive to anybody, and yet… A different way to look at it is, a lot of times Companies actually make MORE money when they change uniforms, logos, etc... More gear out there to purchase. Sorta like a different iPhone type every month, it seems like. If that was my marketing director they would be fired immediately. You don’t sell out to the woke mob and alienate more than half your base permanently just to make a quick short term merch profit. Long term it has terrible ramifications.
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Post by sdsudevil on Jun 13, 2021 16:24:18 GMT -8
Literally nothing anybody could say or do would guarantee that the name stays “forever.” Any statement by the current president of the university on any subject is temporary, as we all are. I don’t think there’s nearly as much interest in this subject amongst the public as this site would lead you to believe. There’s a lot of money tied up in the branding and the cost of a change will always be immense. Regardless of what you make of the largely hypothetical debate, the money will be the biggest reason not to change monikers. My personal take is it isn’t my place to tell people what they’re offended by. For instance, I wouldn’t think the possibility that a college might change its mascot and moniker would be offensive to anybody, and yet… A different way to look at it is, a lot of times Companies actually make MORE money when they change uniforms, logos, etc... More gear out there to purchase. Sorta like a different iPhone type every month, it seems like. Unless you are referencing a potential slow play to remove the Aztec name, this specific situation doesn't do that at all. I get that the Warrior was not an apt depiction of an Aztec fighter. Because it was likely a tamer version. No death whistle and a conch for a weapon. Instead of whitewashing the Warrior from the school (which make no mistake, this is what is happening), the so-called committee could have actually taken heed on some of the suggestions of the task force. The lackadaisical effort softballed this BS. For those that speak on "I support the University, not the moniker", I get what you are going with. But things happen in increments. When this passes, it then buoys the further argument of removing the name. Which will render the names of our dorms, some of the buildings, the sculpture in our library all moot and they will probably be changed too, since the context is gone. This has the vase of wiping out anthropology. And if local tribes are involved, then it is even more blatant. This needs to be pushed back against,but we should also condemn the Aztec Committee for not doing what they were tasked to do. And pledge to support them doing more to present a more appropriate (but not too appropriate) depiction of the Warrior.
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Post by myownwords on Jun 13, 2021 16:32:54 GMT -8
A different way to look at it is, a lot of times Companies actually make MORE money when they change uniforms, logos, etc... More gear out there to purchase. Sorta like a different iPhone type every month, it seems like. Unless you are referencing a potential slow play to remove the Aztec name, this specific situation doesn't do that at all. I get that the Warrior was not an apt depiction of an Aztec fighter. Because it was likely a tamer version. No death whistle and a conch for a weapon. Instead of whitewashing the Warrior from the school (which make no mistake, this is what is happening), the so-called committee could have actually taken heed on some of the suggestions of the task force. The lackadaisical effort softballed this BS. For those that speak on "I support the University, not the moniker", I get what you are going with. But things happen in increments. When this passes, it then buoys the further argument of removing the name. Which will render the names of our dorms, some of the buildings, the sculpture in our library all moot and they will probably be changed too, since the context is gone. This has the vase of wiping out anthropology. And if local tribes are involved, then it is even more blatant. This needs to be pushed back against,but we should also condemn the Aztec Committee for not doing what they were tasked to do. And pledge to support them doing more to present a more appropriate (but not too appropriate) depiction of the Warrior. Cogent and well said sdsudevil
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Post by standiego on Jun 13, 2021 16:49:37 GMT -8
First - go back to the very first Post on Page 1
click on the link and then READ it
Seems very obvious what the President is saying : Aztecs are our Past , Present and Future
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Post by myownwords on Jun 13, 2021 17:09:02 GMT -8
First - go back to the very first Post on Page 1 click on the link and then READ it Seems very obvious what the President is saying : Aztecs are our Past , Present and Future Never forget that this is tainted with heavy dosing of political stew and will change in a flash for expediency, if required. That is the world in which we now reside.
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Post by standiego on Jun 14, 2021 8:57:54 GMT -8
Do not think the President can be any more definitive in her Statement - AZTECS - Past , Present FUTURE
Do realize that the seeds of distrust have been planted - and various people have their theories
So if there are meetings being scheduled and those who have their doubts should attend . Listen , ask Q's and get actual answers to their questions
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Post by KickAztec on Jun 14, 2021 13:41:21 GMT -8
Regardless of how this debate ultimately turns out, I thought this might be the appropriate time to say thanks to all the people who over the years have fought the good fight to maintain the existence and integrity of the Aztec Warrior mascot. Believe it or not, many of these folks have been working both out front and behind the scenes on this cause for literally DECADES. Some of them you know, some you don’t, but they all have in common a passion and dedication in preserving our beloved Aztec Warrior. I for one appreciate all they have done on behalf of the Aztec community. They have done a lot more than I ever have, that’s for sure. Please join me in thanking these folks for their continued efforts! Long live Monty Montezuma/Aztec Warrior!
Original five Aztec Warrior (AWF) Foundation Members: Rulon Jensen Bruce Johnson Martha Beckman Steve Anderson Carlos Gutierrez Key subsequent additions to AWF: Fred Pierce, Lois Bruhn
Contributors to the cause: Joel Zwink Pete Schluederberg Mike Giove Vic Heman Vinit Ahooja Dean Beckman Mike Ramirez Gina Follero Felipe Rangel
And many others who made donations over the years to the AWF that wish to remain anonymous.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 14, 2021 14:12:56 GMT -8
Regardless of how this debate ultimately turns out, I thought this might be the appropriate time to say thanks to all the people who over the years have fought the good fight to maintain the existence and integrity of the Aztec Warrior mascot. Believe it or not, many of these folks have been working both out front and behind the scenes on this cause for literally DECADES. Some of them you know, some you don’t, but they all have in common a passion and dedication in preserving our beloved Aztec Warrior. I for one appreciate all they have done on behalf of the Aztec community. They have done a lot more than I ever have, that’s for sure. Please join me in thanking these folks for their continued efforts! Long live Monty Montezuma/Aztec Warrior! Original five Aztec Warrior (AWF) Foundation Members: Rulon Jensen Bruce Johnson Martha Beckman Steve Anderson Carlos Gutierrez Key subsequent additions to AWF: Fred Pierce, Lois Bruhn Contributors to the cause: Joel Zwink Pete Schluederberg Mike Giove Vic Heman Vinit Ahooja Dean Beckman Mike Ramirez Gina Follero Felipe Rangel And many others who made donations over the years to the AWF that wish to remain anonymous. A great, and well deserved tribute. Thanks for doing this.
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Post by waxxon on Jun 14, 2021 15:18:56 GMT -8
I wonder what the reaction would be
For a more geographically accurate name, how about the Conquistadores. After all, Cortes was such a distinguished explorer
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Jun 14, 2021 15:49:14 GMT -8
They are actually the Cardinal. Like the color not the bird or religious officials. Yes Cardinal. They had the foresight to use a word that could denote a religious official a basic rule a serious item a song bird a color And chose the most benign of all the meanings (Though some rousers could argue that origin is the shade of color used for cardinal robes) and then doubled with no mascot with the Band adding to the fracas by adopting the Tree. An homage to the El Palo Alto. Brilliance. That is what we need to do at this moment. Maybe we could become the SDSU NAVY. Not because we are a Navy town but for the color of navy blue.
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Post by Xolotl on Jun 14, 2021 16:01:35 GMT -8
wow can't wait for my new turquoise Kumeyaay football uniforms.
Here is the sad part, no one outside of San Diego knows what an Aztec is unless they are a history major. I didn't when I came to SDSU in 1960
It's like killing the name will promote knowledge of that civilization, ya sure. Poof
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Post by hoobs on Jun 14, 2021 18:41:21 GMT -8
wow can't wait for my new turquoise Kumeyaay football uniforms. Here is the sad part, no one outside of San Diego knows what an Aztec is unless they are a history major. I didn't when I came to SDSU in 1960 It's like killing the name will promote knowledge of that civilization, ya sure. Poof That's just ridiculous and totally false.
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