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Post by fisher1fan on Jun 14, 2021 19:53:51 GMT -8
wow can't wait for my new turquoise Kumeyaay football uniforms. Here is the sad part, no one outside of San Diego knows what an Aztec is unless they are a history major. I didn't when I came to SDSU in 1960 It's like killing the name will promote knowledge of that civilization, ya sure. Poof That's just ridiculous and totally false. Yep, hard to disagree with your post!
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Post by Village Aztec on Jun 15, 2021 2:26:09 GMT -8
We were great alums a few weeks ago. Now we are racists? Who turned us into that? It is not our fault. We are building 15,000 houses near where I live in FL. Until last year I was not sure they were needed. Talk about a declining civilization. We are seeing it happen in real time. I had to leave Chicago to survive. It gets easier to do when your safe world ends. I predicted we would be beaten from within.
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Post by standiego on Jun 15, 2021 10:43:06 GMT -8
Believe this Topic was supposed to be centered on the Warrior Costume being retired
That is all that has been discussed and pretty much finalized
For the upteenth time and basically moving forward - put into basic terms
the SDSU President has stated in her Written Document
- AZTECS Past , Present and FUTURE
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Post by SD Johnny on Jun 15, 2021 10:49:28 GMT -8
This is just another step in the eventual march to remove the Aztec name and those who don't see that are pretty naïve IMO. It may be another 5-10 years but its coming. It doesn't really bother me as I'm a fan of the school no matter what and long ago realized because we are in California its only a matter of time before it goes. Those of you who say "They aren't taking the name...just the human mascot" are exactly why they slow play the progress like this. They will take this minor victory, wait til the dust settles and in a few years start the march for their next victory. Rinse and repeat. This is why an organization like the NRA doesn't concede anything with protesters, lobbyists etc. no matter how tiny the request as they know that those making the request will never be satisfied and any concession encourages them to continue the requests. I'll enjoy the Aztec name while we have it but am not going to lose any sleep over it.
But for those who can't see whats happening please educate yourselves on the rough timeline of SDSU's response to public pressure from groups:
2001 - President Weber removes references to "Monty" and creates a more accurate representation of the mascot.
2003 - SDSU cans the Ambassador consults with Aztec scholars and announces the Aztec Warrior as the official mascot.
2014 - Queer People of Color Collective at San Diego state pushed an effort to change the mascot but student govenrment voted it down 25-1 (what would that vote be if it occurred today?)
2015 - American Indian Studies professor Ozzie Monge revived the fight to drop the Aztec mascot and authored a thesis arguing against the name and depiction at SDSU.
2016, Native American Student Alliance took the fight to the student legislating body with a resolution to end the “intellectual dishonesty of historical inaccuracy and cultural misappropriation of the Aztec civilization and culture through the case of the use of the term ‘Aztec’” in university materials.
2017 - After a failed effort by students to retire mascot earlier in the year, the University Senate agreed to retire the Aztec Warrior.
2018 - President Sally Roush has modifications made and Aztec no longer referred to as a mascot.
2021 - SDSU retires any human representation of the Aztec.
The name is literally the only thing left at this point. But you guys are probably right, those opposing the Aztec name will probably be totally satisfied with all their progress and stop there.
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Post by standiego on Jun 15, 2021 11:17:42 GMT -8
This is about a Costume
But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about .
A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives
Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation
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Post by AzTex on Jun 15, 2021 11:30:06 GMT -8
This is about a Costume But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about . A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation No, it's not about a costume. It's about a symbol. Symbols have a very powerful meaning to people.
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Post by junior on Jun 15, 2021 11:34:22 GMT -8
But for those who can't see whats happening please educate yourselves on the rough timeline of SDSU's response to public pressure from groups: 2001 - President Weber removes references to "Monty" and creates a more accurate representation of the mascot. … which interestingly enough never made it to the annual faculty awards, (The Monty)… almost looks like Monty is smiling …
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Post by pbnative on Jun 15, 2021 12:03:51 GMT -8
This is about a Costume But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about . A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation No, it's not about a costume. It's about a symbol. Symbols have a very powerful meaning to people. Ironically enough, Symbols had very powerful meaning in the Aztec culture.
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Post by SD Johnny on Jun 15, 2021 12:14:38 GMT -8
This is about the eventual removal of the Aztec name. I’m not going to dignify your other questions with a response. This is about a Costume But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about . A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation
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Post by standiego on Jun 15, 2021 13:13:33 GMT -8
The post is about the outfit the Cheer Person is wearing -
Read the very first Post by the SDSU President
AZTECS Past - Present and FUTURE - any thoughts
You have extrapolated beyond that with your theories -
YOU brought up the NRA and it virtues - But hesitant to comment about its Lobbyists and current leaders under investigation - So you see them as Role Model Organization
Fearful of Any revisions , because " you should Never Concede Anything" ( even if it can save lives) -
Who are the ' Queer People of Color " you name in 2014
Also kindly explain what you mean by ...because we are in CALIFORNIA it is only a matter of time before this ... goes
Have the fortitude to present your thoughts on those things you brought up
Could you expand on Who you think is behind the theory to Drop the Aztec name - or is that also an area you are fearful of answering or is that also part of the NRA or House Rep Greene 's strategy to avoid answering just deny
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Post by myownwords on Jun 15, 2021 13:13:36 GMT -8
This is about a Costume But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about . A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation Bless your heart Standiego. I wish I could resurrect MY childhood naivete as well. But alas and alack, I'm am totally frustrated by the attempt.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 15, 2021 13:31:59 GMT -8
This is about a Costume But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about . A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation You think it's a no bigee, but many do. Respect that.
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Post by sdsudevil on Jun 15, 2021 13:44:04 GMT -8
The post is about the outfit the Cheer Person is wearing - Read the very first Post by the SDSU President AZTECS Past - Present and FUTURE - any thoughts You have extrapolated beyond that with your theories - YOU brought up the NRA and it virtues - But hesitant to comment about its Lobbyists and current leaders under investigation - So you see them as Role Model Organization Fearful of Any revisions , because " you should Never Concede Anything" ( even if it can save lives) - Who are the ' Queer People of Color " you name in 2014 Also kindly explain what you mean by ...because we are in CALIFORNIA it is only a matter of time before this ... goes Have the fortitude to present your thoughts on those things you brought up Could you expand on Who you think is behind the theory to Drop the Aztec name - or is that also an area you are fearful of answering or is that also part of the NRA or House Rep Greene 's strategy to avoid answering just deny It's fine if you take this at face value. Many of us recognize that it may not be, based on recent efforts to wipe out the name from the school, and it is a cause of concern. It doesn't make us any of the things you assert we may be aligned with. And frankly, the way you crafted that does nothing towards actually having any dialogue on this with you.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jun 15, 2021 13:52:59 GMT -8
This is about a Costume But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about . A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation Wow. Seems like you jumped the shark here. You’re bringing up political stuff that literally has nothing to do with the thread … short of a substantial stretch… Why? Isn’t political comments like you brought up one of the biggest sources of strife on here, needlessly introducing politics on this site. Do we need to go there here? You obviously did.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Jun 15, 2021 13:55:30 GMT -8
This is about a Costume But it becomes crystal clear - when you start the NRA bit and my guess the Big Lie, Q, Deep State .... theories where your ideas come about . A question - Do you realize the NRA has one of the strongest lobbyist groups in the US and have prevented any type of legislation to revise some rules plus is being investigated for numerous things - Rules some people believe may save lives Are you also a believer that it is a situation that CA just continues to deteriorate if so why ? Who is it that you think is causing this situation You think it's a no bigee, but many do. Respect that. Amen.
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Jun 15, 2021 14:41:41 GMT -8
You think it's a no bigee, but many do. Respect that. Amen. Most of the time when Stan puts these posts up all I can think about is Office Space and Stan with the red stapler. I don't know why but I cannot get that thought out of my head. Stan means well and his 19K posts with 18K of them regurgitating the same drivel over and over.
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Post by SD Johnny on Jun 15, 2021 15:53:17 GMT -8
Who are the ' Queer People of Color " you name in 2014 The group that tried to get rid of the mascot in 2014. Here's an article on them and the attempt. www.chicagotribune.com/sdut-sdsu-aztec-warrior-2014oct09-htmlstory.htmlDo you really not know how California is different than most states in the nation? I don't want to get into politics so PM me if you really need help understanding this one. LOL, the "theory" to drop the Aztec name? There have been multiple attempts to change the name recently by groups and professors as stated previously. There will be no shortage of aggrieved groups to carry the torch going forward.
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Post by standiego on Jun 15, 2021 16:57:38 GMT -8
Will again start with the Post here is about Retiring the outfit that the " Cheer Person " has been wearing
Also the Post / Statement that the SDSU President has said AZTECS Past Present and FUTURE - while many have said that she is a variety of things and is not a supporter of keeping the Aztec name .
That is the Basic Issue Plain and simple -
Then comes a variety of posts that the President and her people are against the Aztecs name
After that the list of those who are planning on over throwing of the Aztec name .
Accordingly a planned effort to make this happen
I have Not made any political involvement comments - other then stating what the SDSU President has said
I did NOT bring up the NRA or the suggestion that they are a group that has great ideals- or the strategy that Aztec followers should believe in doing things the way they do - Never agree to Anything in any way because that once you agree to ANY revision you are going to be overtaken by People out to totally destroy your point of view . So maybe none of the revisions on Ghost Guns , Assault Weapons , Back ground Checks should ever be allowed to happen .
I did not bring up the thoughts of those who see CALIFORNIA on a downward trajectory - believe that was your opinion also - I do understand the undertone of your comments about the direction CA has been on - Would greatly appreciate you expanding on your thoughts about CA and the direction it is going in .
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Post by SD Johnny on Jun 15, 2021 17:58:43 GMT -8
Will again start with the Post here is about Retiring the outfit that the " Cheer Person " has been wearing Also the Post / Statement that the SDSU President has said AZTECS Past Present and FUTURE - while many have said that she is a variety of things and is not a supporter of keeping the Aztec name . That is the Basic Issue Plain and simple - Then comes a variety of posts that the President and her people are against the Aztecs name After that the list of those who are planning on over throwing of the Aztec name . Accordingly a planned effort to make this happen I have Not made any political involvement comments - other then stating what the SDSU President has said I did NOT bring up the NRA or the suggestion that they are a group that has great ideals- or the strategy that Aztec followers should believe in doing things the way they do - Never agree to Anything in any way because that once you agree to ANY revision you are going to be overtaken by People out to totally destroy your point of view . So maybe none of the revisions on Ghost Guns , Assault Weapons , Back ground Checks should ever be allowed to happen . I did not bring up the thoughts of those who see CALIFORNIA on a downward trajectory - believe that was your opinion also - I do understand the undertone of your comments about the direction CA has been on - Would greatly appreciate you expanding on your thoughts about CA and the direction it is going in . I’m not going to debate politics with you. I’ve shown you above in detail how the mascot issue has progressed from not using the name “Monty” to multiple efforts to remove Aztecs to now having nothing but the Aztec name left. Another group will come for the name again soon and eventually the school will cave.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 15, 2021 18:30:49 GMT -8
I would soooooo rather we go ahead and change the name to San Diego State Chupacabras just so this board is no longer filled with people saying the university president is a racist and complaining about how "political correctness" (which other people would define as 'not being an entitled jerk') is destroying civilization as we know it.
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