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Post by aztecryan on Jul 23, 2021 12:48:58 GMT -8
He allowed only one earned run last night. Relievers aren't going to be perfect on a daily basis. His numbers speak for themselves. 1 inherited run (from 2nd) + 1 ER of his own, while leaving the bases loaded. You can't deny he had a horrible game and, to quote, "shitz the mound". I think the hit batter may have threw him even further. It doesn't mean you don't put him right back out there on Saturday if needed, given his overall history. But his wildness is definitely a concern in crucial situations, and not sure I would have had the faith to keep him in against Marte after the way he was going. Pagan saved the day, and it's the same way with him. He'd "shitz the mound" in his last outing, but you still don't hesitate to put him back out there as well. Definitely don't get perfection with anyone, from Crismatt to Melancon. I understand, but the first run is charged to Snell. (Yes, I understand the inherited runner concept) - Agreed on the rest. He's going to have bouts of wildness because he's a slider heavy guy. But his slider is one of the top 20 in baseball by run value.
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Post by johneaztec on Jul 23, 2021 12:59:06 GMT -8
He allowed only one earned run last night. Relievers aren't going to be perfect on a daily basis. His numbers speak for themselves. 1 inherited run (from 2nd) + 1 ER of his own, while leaving the bases loaded. You can't deny he had a horrible game and, to quote, "shitz the mound". I think the hit batter may have threw him even further. It doesn't mean you don't put him right back out there on Saturday if needed, given his overall history. But his wildness is definitely a concern in crucial situations, and not sure I would have had the faith to keep him in against Marte after the way he was going. Pagan saved the day, and it's the same way with him. He'd "shitz the mound" in his last outing, but you still don't hesitate to put him back out there as well. Definitely don't get perfection with anyone, from Crismatt to Melancon. Yep, it's his "wildness" that concerns me, especially in the post season.
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Post by AztecBill on Jul 23, 2021 13:19:06 GMT -8
1 inherited run (from 2nd) + 1 ER of his own, while leaving the bases loaded. You can't deny he had a horrible game and, to quote, "shitz the mound". I think the hit batter may have threw him even further. It doesn't mean you don't put him right back out there on Saturday if needed, given his overall history. But his wildness is definitely a concern in crucial situations, and not sure I would have had the faith to keep him in against Marte after the way he was going. Pagan saved the day, and it's the same way with him. He'd "shitz the mound" in his last outing, but you still don't hesitate to put him back out there as well. Definitely don't get perfection with anyone, from Crismatt to Melancon. Yep, it's his "wildness" that concerns me, especially in the post season. In the postseason we can set the schedule to only start him at home where he has been awesome. I think a lot of people have put too much emphasis on the last 3 weeks when he has been battling an illness and not at full strength.
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Post by azson on Jul 23, 2021 14:25:01 GMT -8
Yep, it's his "wildness" that concerns me, especially in the post season. In the postseason we can set the schedule to only start him at home where he has been awesome. I think a lot of people have put too much emphasis on the last 3 weeks when he has been battling an illness and not at full strength. We're talking about Adams, not Snell.
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Post by junior on Jul 23, 2021 18:49:52 GMT -8
Gave away two last night - after loading the bases. Yeah, it was likely he was going to $#!T the mound. His statistics weren't throwing the baseball. Or apparently they weren't listening. He allowed only one earned run last night. Relievers aren't going to be perfect on a daily basis. His numbers speak for themselves. Yes, yes, the lead runner was Snell's, but let's be real. Adams let both runs in. Hit one batter in the back of the head (14th or 15th HBP this year), he wasn't just imperfect, he just plain stunk. And again, he comes in on Sunday and pulls the same craptastic performance. 4 ER in 1/3 inning. Can relievers be craptastic on a daily basis? His latest numbers speak volumes.
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Post by junior on Jul 28, 2021 12:32:17 GMT -8
Snell was in trouble from the first pitch today. Walked the first batter. Over 25 pitches thrown in the first inning, wild and all over - including - the strike zone. Three BB in the first inning and all score. Yet another craptastic outing.
I wouldn't be at all bothered to see him pitching somewhere else next week. Just tired of seeing these stinking, subpar performances. Right now, he can't find his ass with two hands tied behind his back. This crap isn't going to work for a team that wants a post-season run. And the boos rain down…
Cy Young indeed.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 28, 2021 13:35:55 GMT -8
He allowed only one earned run last night. Relievers aren't going to be perfect on a daily basis. His numbers speak for themselves. Yes, yes, the lead runner was Snell's, but let's be real. Adams let both runs in. Hit one batter in the back of the head (14th or 15th HBP this year), he wasn't just imperfect, he just plain stunk. And again, he comes in on Sunday and pulls the same craptastic performance. 4 ER in 1/3 inning. Can relievers be craptastic on a daily basis? His latest numbers speak volumes. He's in his own head after nailing the batter in the back of the head. It's 100% mental.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 28, 2021 13:36:41 GMT -8
A’s score 7 times off Snell in 4 innings.
A rough outing, Snell had poor control and little movement. Rothschild has his work cut out for him.
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Post by junior on Jul 28, 2021 13:42:41 GMT -8
Snell is still young enough to snap back, but his 2018 performance might just be the kind of one-hit wonder we've all heard about. Certainly, poor performances like today's are not outliers for him this season as his 5.44 ERA suggests.
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Post by azson on Jul 28, 2021 14:00:16 GMT -8
Meanwhile Manaea is perfect through 5 with 9 Ks.
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Post by oldie on Jul 28, 2021 14:09:00 GMT -8
trade snell for a bucket of balls. it's time for the padres to dump him. take anything or anybody they can get.
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Post by survalli on Jul 28, 2021 15:23:56 GMT -8
what happened to Snell? was it really the sticky stuff allowing him to play at a high level?
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Post by aztecmusician on Jul 28, 2021 15:25:17 GMT -8
trade snell for a bucket of balls. it's time for the padres to dump him. take anything or anybody they can get. Obviously Tampa Bay knew this guy had lost something, they are the best in the league at evaluating talent. Snell probably hasn’t gotten his old feeling back in his arm after the injury (?) he looks like he needs some development time in the minors.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 28, 2021 15:25:48 GMT -8
The bad Snell showed up today.
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Post by oldie on Jul 28, 2021 15:30:54 GMT -8
the padres must have 10+ pitchers in the farm system who would be better than snell.
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Post by junior on Jul 28, 2021 16:17:12 GMT -8
Everyone's disappointment this season, including his own. The elbow, the broken toe, all of that distracts from the fact that he's only been a really great pitcher for one season. And he's never been worse than he's been this season. Too often, command is practically non-existent, his change-up's a mess, curve is erratic. Can he get his command back? I think that's probably what the hope that springs eternal is aimed at… I think he can get it back together, and I suspect that's the Padres' thinking as well. But if this continues through the next two months? Some guys heat up during the last two months of the season. Someone would need to dig deeper into his history to see if he's consistently been one of them … it's a perplexing problem. And it's clear by now that he doesn't have a handle on resolving it. Will we see the 2018 version of Snell again. Ever? clips.twitch.tv/VastCredulousBeefJKanStyle-I4xm69lPpyAeI5omWell, is he only 82 Gold? LMAO
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 28, 2021 22:04:05 GMT -8
Everyone's disappointment this season, including his own. The elbow, the broken toe, all of that distracts from the fact that he's only been a really great pitcher for one season. And he's never been worse than he's been this season. Too often, command is practically non-existent, his change-up's a mess, curve is erratic. Can he get his command back? I think that's probably what the hope that springs eternal is aimed at… I think he can get it back together, and I suspect that's the Padres' thinking as well. But if this continues through the next two months? Some guys heat up during the last two months of the season. Someone would need to dig deeper into his history to see if he's consistently been one of them … it's a perplexing problem. And it's clear by now that he doesn't have a handle on resolving it. Will we see the 2018 version of Snell again. Ever? clips.twitch.tv/VastCredulousBeefJKanStyle-I4xm69lPpyAeI5omWell, is he only 82 Gold? LMAO Kind of wonder if he should be figuring it out at the Major League level, or in a short term AAA stint Once we get another starter via trade that is.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 6:41:35 GMT -8
trade snell for a bucket of balls. it's time for the padres to dump him. take anything or anybody they can get. Obviously Tampa Bay knew this guy had lost something, they are the best in the league at evaluating talent. Snell probably hasn’t gotten his old feeling back in his arm after the injury (?) he looks like he needs some development time in the minors. No, Tampa just pretty much trades all of their talent once it becomes pricey. So many players they have shipped off once arbitration or UFA approaches. To their credit, they do a great job with a s#!++y payroll.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 6:42:20 GMT -8
What a major disappointment Snell has been this season.
I am glad that Clevinger is back next year. That kid is really good, if he can stay healthy.
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Post by junior on Jul 29, 2021 11:45:55 GMT -8
It's of interest that no amount of coaching seems to have helped Snell so far with his command issues. What is Rothschild doing? Do they sit down and watch tape? Do they compare these tapes with tapes from 2018 - when Snell was having an apparently once-in-a-lifetime season? Are they seeing where his arm slots now and where it slotted then? Are they analyzing why the curve and change up are missing the mark? Or are they just hoping that he'll "catch up with that dog" and everything will suddenly get better. Maybe his 82 Gold rating on The Show '21 - which he considers disrespectful - will make him angry enough to make the changes he needs to make?
Not counting on it given what we've all seen so far, but I'm hoping he's at least getting some good advice … whether or not he takes it is another topic.
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