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Jun 23, 2021 10:27:52 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 10:27:52 GMT -8
I certainly wouldn't bank on seeing Gore in the bigs in 2021.
At this point, let's just hope we can see him in 2022. Does he need an exorcist, a sports psychologist, or a better pitching coach?
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Post by junior on Jun 23, 2021 15:51:41 GMT -8
… or has he just plateaued at his level of competence. The team has time to help him work through the process, but again, at some point a highly rated prospect needs to show some progression. They must see something they can take to the bank - down on the farm…
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Post by docmm on Jun 25, 2021 12:16:31 GMT -8
Blisters, delivery issues and maybe confidence problems: seems like a lot of potential future concerns. Everyone with baseball acumen seems to think he'll be a #1 starter, although I have read some opinions this year that have started to put his ceiling at a #2. I'd just like to see him have a good stretch of effective pitching for three or four consecutive starts. Whatever they're doing for/to him so far, as far as psychological support, I think they need to try the other way. If they've been patting him on the back, starting kicking him in the ass or vice/versa.
For someone that the whole league has drooled over for three years, he's a far cry from where he should be.
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Jun 25, 2021 13:38:12 GMT -8
Post by junior on Jun 25, 2021 13:38:12 GMT -8
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Jun 25, 2021 16:00:11 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2021 16:00:11 GMT -8
I have no idea how this applies.
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Post by junior on Jun 25, 2021 17:16:27 GMT -8
FIFY Just put two and two together. You can do it.
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Jun 25, 2021 20:24:46 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 25, 2021 20:24:46 GMT -8
FIFY Just put two and two together. You can do it. No, because it literally doesn't make any sense. If you're calling Gore "excess baggage"....That's insane.
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Aug 6, 2021 11:04:57 GMT -8
Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 11:04:57 GMT -8
Do you think MacKenzie Gore will get any innings with the big-league club this season? Any real news on how he’s looked in Arizona? The silence tells me he’s still completely broken, but I’m holding out hope. — Andrew T. We should soon have a better idea. Gore, by all accounts, is close to returning to minor-league action. For those who haven’t heard, the left-hander has spent the past several weeks at the Padres’ spring training complex. According to team officials, much of his focus there has been on his arm action, which has looked different than it did in 2019. Some of this has been attributed to physical changes in Gore’s body, and some of it to poor mechanical habits he might have picked up during the sport’s shutdown in 2020. Whatever the case, the responsibility should not rest solely with a 22-year-old; this has been a high-profile, albeit shrouded, test of the Padres’ player development. As for big-league innings this year, it’s not impossible, but I don’t see it. Gore has thrown barely 40 innings above Single A. To ask him to make the jump to the majors, in the thick of a playoff chase, seems like too much, especially after his recent regression. We should learn more about his progress when he re-emerges. It sounds like that will happen soon. theathletic.com/2751201/2021/08/04/timeline-for-fernando-tatis-jr-trade-deadline-surprises-and-more-padres-mailbag/
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 6, 2021 12:05:24 GMT -8
Do you think MacKenzie Gore will get any innings with the big-league club this season? Any real news on how he’s looked in Arizona? The silence tells me he’s still completely broken, but I’m holding out hope. — Andrew T. We should soon have a better idea. Gore, by all accounts, is close to returning to minor-league action. For those who haven’t heard, the left-hander has spent the past several weeks at the Padres’ spring training complex. According to team officials, much of his focus there has been on his arm action, which has looked different than it did in 2019. Some of this has been attributed to physical changes in Gore’s body, and some of it to poor mechanical habits he might have picked up during the sport’s shutdown in 2020. Whatever the case, the responsibility should not rest solely with a 22-year-old; this has been a high-profile, albeit shrouded, test of the Padres’ player development. As for big-league innings this year, it’s not impossible, but I don’t see it. Gore has thrown barely 40 innings above Single A. To ask him to make the jump to the majors, in the thick of a playoff chase, seems like too much, especially after his recent regression. We should learn more about his progress when he re-emerges. It sounds like that will happen soon. theathletic.com/2751201/2021/08/04/timeline-for-fernando-tatis-jr-trade-deadline-surprises-and-more-padres-mailbag/Agree. I don't think it's the end of the world, either. Christian Wonders has been working with him in Arizona and there's just a lot that goes into the process.
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Aug 16, 2021 15:43:37 GMT -8
Post by docmm on Aug 16, 2021 15:43:37 GMT -8
But it IS remarkably strange to have someone who started out so strongly in low minors and was a near-unanimous pick for annual Top 3 prospect in the minor leagues for three years, suddenly be invisible. Is he really that much of a head case that he can't even pitch in public in the minor leagues? I know lots of high school phenoms never make it but he was so highly thought of by so many "experts" for so long.
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Aug 16, 2021 15:49:59 GMT -8
Post by azson on Aug 16, 2021 15:49:59 GMT -8
But it IS remarkably strange to have someone who started out so strongly in low minors and was a near-unanimous pick for annual Top 3 prospect in the minor leagues for three years, suddenly be invisible. Is he really that much of a head case that he can't even pitch in public in the minor leagues? I know lots of high school phenoms never make it but he was so highly thought of by so many "experts" for so long. Have you read and/or seen Moneyball? Billy Beane was the quintessential head-case and although not exactly the same scenario as Gore (i.e. no minors) folks were equally perplexed how someone with so much talent couldn't figure it out.
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Aug 16, 2021 16:01:04 GMT -8
Post by docmm on Aug 16, 2021 16:01:04 GMT -8
There have been a lot of MLB "head cases" that had a good career until something crawled inside that cranium: Mike Evie Steve Sax Chuck Knoblauch Rick Ankiel Steve Blass But at least these guys had something good happen first. Hope the kid works it out and hope it's soon.
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Post by junior on Aug 16, 2021 16:06:57 GMT -8
There have been a lot of MLB "head cases" that had a good career until something crawled inside that cranium: Mike EvieSteve Sax Chuck Knoblauch Rick Ankiel Steve Blass But at least these guys had something good happen first. Hope the kid works it out and hope it's soon. Did you mean Mike Ivie - former Padres catcher who developed a problem throwing the ball back to the pitcher. I mentioned him earlier in the thread.
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 16, 2021 16:24:32 GMT -8
But it IS remarkably strange to have someone who started out so strongly in low minors and was a near-unanimous pick for annual Top 3 prospect in the minor leagues for three years, suddenly be invisible. Is he really that much of a head case that he can't even pitch in public in the minor leagues? I know lots of high school phenoms never make it but he was so highly thought of by so many "experts" for so long. It's not rare, it's a reminder that development isn't a linear process. And it has nothing to do with him being a "headcase."
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Aug 16, 2021 16:41:17 GMT -8
Post by docmm on Aug 16, 2021 16:41:17 GMT -8
It's something way more than just blisters and "mechanics".
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 16, 2021 16:43:07 GMT -8
It's something way more than just blisters and "mechanics". It's not. Mechanics is a lot more in depth and complex than most will give credit to.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 16, 2021 17:21:38 GMT -8
I'm sorry, who?
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Aug 16, 2021 17:29:50 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 16, 2021 17:29:50 GMT -8
There have been a lot of MLB "head cases" that had a good career until something crawled inside that cranium: Mike EvieSteve Sax Chuck Knoblauch Rick Ankiel Steve Blass But at least these guys had something good happen first. Hope the kid works it out and hope it's soon. Did you mean Mike Ivie - former Padres catcher who developed a problem throwing the ball back to the pitcher. I mentioned him earlier in the thread. I thought Ivie was never the same after throwing it down to second and plunking a pitcher on a throw down. It became a mental block. Maybe I have it wrong?
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Aug 16, 2021 17:33:16 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 16, 2021 17:33:16 GMT -8
But it IS remarkably strange to have someone who started out so strongly in low minors and was a near-unanimous pick for annual Top 3 prospect in the minor leagues for three years, suddenly be invisible. Is he really that much of a head case that he can't even pitch in public in the minor leagues? I know lots of high school phenoms never make it but he was so highly thought of by so many "experts" for so long. Have you read and/or seen Moneyball? Billy Beane was the quintessential head-case and although not exactly the same scenario as Gore (i.e. no minors) folks were equally perplexed how someone with so much talent couldn't figure it out. Not being able to hit the curve ball at the elite level was a problem as well. I played against him and witnessed it first hand, but man was he a great athlete!!! Very good QB. Could've went to Stanford, but of course couldn't pass up the baseball contract.
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Aug 18, 2021 13:49:58 GMT -8
Post by docmm on Aug 18, 2021 13:49:58 GMT -8
It's something way more than just blisters and "mechanics". It's not. Mechanics is a lot more in depth and complex than most will give credit to. If his "mechanics" got THAT thrown off because of last season, then that's quite an indictment against whatever pitching coach would/should have been watching someone who is supposedly that valuable to the franchise. He's pitched 20 innings so far in AAA this season, 20! Most pitchers work out mechanics issues between starts or in the bullpen. He hasn't pitched in a game since June18th! In that game he went 1.1 innings, gave up 4 Hits including 3 HRs, 6 runs with 2 earned and issued 2 BBs. Sorry, it's more than mechanics. He's been "refining his delivery and arm action" in private with no blisters or injuries for almost two months now. Something else is going on. Is he working on that every day? Is there a reason there's been ZERO timelines put up? Is his psyche so fragile that we can't run him out there against Major Leaguers just in case he pulls it off? We're already scraping the bottom of the pitching barrel. Can't we at least try him?
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